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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 12 2016 21:15 GMT
#341
On December 13 2016 03:57 lestye wrote:
What does SPOTV do outside of Starcraft, anyway? They used to broadcast Dota but that died.

I hope they find sponsors to have their own events even if its outside Blizzard's WCS. That would be a delight.


Mostly LoL, FIFA and that Korean Action game. They're doing the Hearthstone Kespa Cup at the moment. They even have Wolf and Valdes casting it....for a viewership of about 45.
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2655 Posts
December 12 2016 21:30 GMT
#342
I have no idea what people think korea got the short end of the stick, theres more korean tournaments than foreigner ones and more global events. Meanwhile the 4 DH events are basically the old WCS premier seasons with corresponding challlenger.

Things look bad because theres less tournaments OVERALL but that is hardly Blizzards fault considering, for example, there seem to be only 2 IEMs with SC2 this year.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 12 2016 21:31 GMT
#343
On December 13 2016 06:30 Lexender wrote:
I have no idea what people think korea got the short end of the stick, theres more korean tournaments than foreigner ones and more global events. Meanwhile the 4 DH events are basically the old WCS premier seasons with corresponding challlenger.

Things look bad because theres less tournaments OVERALL but that is hardly Blizzards fault considering, for example, there seem to be only 2 IEMs with SC2 this year.

There are only 2 IEMs left in the current IEM season.
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r_gg
Profile Joined August 2015
141 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-12 21:43:16
December 12 2016 21:42 GMT
#344
On December 13 2016 03:57 lestye wrote:
What does SPOTV do outside of Starcraft, anyway? They used to broadcast Dota but that died.

I hope they find sponsors to have their own events even if its outside Blizzard's WCS. That would be a delight.


Mostly games from Nexxon, who practically owns the channel as you can sorta tell from the studio.

They could also be doubling down on their LCK co-broadcast which they worked so hard to get despite the criticism (coincidence?).
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Eighty7Gaming
Profile Joined November 2015
12 Posts
December 12 2016 23:42 GMT
#345
Region lock has failed and only created more monopoly in the scene. Affirmative action, communistic enforcement has not helped grow the scene. Viewership is not up. We need more competition not less for a healthy market. I even originally advocated for the region lock.
As firecake said they can't survive so forcing prize money over game quality is not a success.
Back in 2013 we had cooperation with the Koreans and team houses but that is no more.
Forcing monopoly in the scene has created less events, less competition, less opportunities for foreigners to make money in the long run.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
December 13 2016 00:16 GMT
#346
On December 13 2016 06:30 Lexender wrote:
I have no idea what people think korea got the short end of the stick, theres more korean tournaments than foreigner ones and more global events. Meanwhile the 4 DH events are basically the old WCS premier seasons with corresponding challlenger.

Things look bad because theres less tournaments OVERALL but that is hardly Blizzards fault considering, for example, there seem to be only 2 IEMs with SC2 this year.


Because Korean Events are practically Global Events. One could argue that the GSL Seasons do have some kind of soft-region lock, because you pretty much have to live in Korea to participate. But the weekend tournaments don't (or ar least they don't have it any more than any other weekend tournament around the globe)

So yes, Korea definitely got the short end here. It's good for the viewers that we finally get more Korean vs. Foreigner action, but that doesn't make it fair, even less does it mean that the Koreans didn't get the short end here. You got 3 exclusively Korean tournaments (there is no residency lock for the super tournaments) and way more tournaments that are exclusively for the foreign scene.

To use the argumentation of region lock supporters from last season: All the money foreigners get instead of the mid/lower tier Koreans hurts the Korean scene right now, because it reduces the chances of a Korean player to make a living out of it.
Athelas
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland15 Posts
December 13 2016 11:34 GMT
#347
If anyone is to blame, it's everyone connected to match fixing in Korea. That's the reason why sponsors got away, which led to kespa leaving sc2 behind. Blizzard can't take the scene on their back. If IEM leaves too, that is sad but it's their right. We can hope SC2 is still part of next IEM season though - which I would like to see being global events.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 12:23:40
December 13 2016 12:18 GMT
#348
On December 13 2016 09:16 Swisslink wrote:
You got 3 exclusively Korean tournaments (there is no residency lock for the super tournaments) and way more tournaments that are exclusively for the foreign scene.

The difference between 3 and 4 is not that big. And while there is no residency lock for any of the Korean tournaments, the odds that non-Koreans get through online qualifiers played on the Korean server are very low in the grand scheme of things (iAsonu making IEM is more of an outlier).
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