Scarlett has a Guinness World Record! - Page 4

On November 15 2016 07:53 RuiBarbO wrote:
Did I miss something, where is the actual controversy here

Also congrats Scarlett!

On November 15 2016 09:16 DinoMight wrote:


To be fair, he isn't alone. I knew this thread was BOUND to dive into how she's transgender and how that affects the integrity of the record blah blah blah....

On November 15 2016 09:51 Swisslink wrote:


Well, in a eSports-context everything is fine, of course and Scarlett really deserves everything she has done. In eSports, gender should not determine whether you are succesful or not, because it's not a physical sports. It's really a great achievement and she has done great for years now. I hope she keeps up the pace in future years - in a good year she should be able to make it to Blizzcon easily, imo.


However, I hope you see the potential issues in Track&Field Athletics competition for example if you allow transgender people to compete in the women's competitions. There are already issues with women who are just "more masculin" than others and they just wreck the entire competition because, purely from a physical standpoint, the rest of the competitors just stands no chance.

And hard as it sounds: If you allow this in physical sports, there will be people who abuse this ruling. Athlets do pretty much everything to be succesful. Handicapped people torture themselves to win the Paralympics, at the Olympics athlets risk their entire carreer plus their lives to improve their results by the use of Performance-Enhancing Drugs and in pretty much every sports the athlets abuse the smalles possible holes in the rulings to get an advantage. I completely agree that in a reasonable world there should be no issues. I also agree that it's horrible for the transgender community. Unfortunately you just can't avoid this, tbh.

TL;TR The transgender community suffers because the professional sports environment is just full of total dickheads. I am really not against equal rights for the transgender community, I'm just entirely pessimistic towards the professional sports scene and expect literally everything of an athlet if he sees any chance of getting an unfair advantage.

On November 15 2016 11:57 blunderfulguy wrote:

In your Track and Field example, why would it not also be unfair for men or women who were simply born bigger, stronger, faster, etc. than other men or women just like how you assume that it would be unfair for someone who is male-to-female transgender? It is not unfair for someone who is faster, etc. than other people in the sport when the point of the sport is to be faster than other people, therefore is also completely fair for a transgender person to compete against others of the same (or any) gender regardless of what innate skill or physical ability they posses.

This argument has been beaten over and over, yet I still don't see the logic in it. If someone is born bigger or smaller than other people, it should never be seen as unfair to other people who choose to compete, and especially so when focusing on a person's gender identity which has zero affect on their skill to perform and compete in a sport.

Women who are have more muscle than average aren't "an issue", men who have more muscle aren't "an issue".
The only issue would be letting anyone get away with lying in order to compete, going against the rules of the competition, or, again, lying with the aim to compete against "weaker" people.

On November 15 2016 12:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:


If you go down that route then there shouldn't be men/women only competitions at all i guess? Sucks to be a woman then quite frankly. Or are you saying that there aren't enough transgender people who are interested in competing (like there probably are not enough people who simply have an advantage over the current top athletes "because they are born bigger") for it to make a real difference?


I didn't read the comments in this thread, but as long as you discuss something in a civial manner you should be allowed to discuss anything. I respect scarlett's life decisions but it is also legitimate to discuss the obvious topic at hand as long as it is done in a respectful way.

On November 15 2016 13:17 SC2BF3Love wrote:
In this spirit, the IOC Consensus Meeting agreed the following guidelines to be taken into account by sports organisations when determining eligibility to compete in male and female competition:

1. Those who transition from female to male are eligible to compete in the male category without restriction.

2. Those who transition from male to female are eligible to compete in the female category under the following conditions:

2.1. The athlete has declared that her gender identity is female. The declaration cannot be changed, for sporting purposes, for a minimum of four years.
2.2. The athlete must demonstrate that her total testosterone level in serum has been below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to her first competition (with the requirement for any longer period to be based on a confidential case-by-case evaluation, considering whether or not 12 months is a sufficient length of time to minimize any advantage in women’s competition).
2.3. The athlete's total testosterone level in serum must remain below 10 nmol/L throughout the period of desired eligibility to compete in the female category.
2.4. Compliance with these conditions may be monitored by testing. In the event of non-compliance, the athlete’s eligibility for female competition will be suspended for 12 months.

Edit: According to this she shouldnt have won anything if this rules were apply to gaming.

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