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Scarlett has a Guinness World Record!

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
November 13 2016 22:47 GMT
#1
As reported in Scarlett's fan club..
On November 08 2016 02:15 alexender paradise wrote:
Didn't know this but Scarlett is in the Guinness book of Records for being the highest paid female in esports earned on oct. 5 2016 with a total 144,414.

Congratulations!

World Record Link
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
November 13 2016 22:53 GMT
#2
ha ha nice

still some work to do to reach gender equality, got to win those GSLs next year
nichan
Profile Joined December 2010
United States158 Posts
November 14 2016 01:19 GMT
#3
On November 14 2016 07:53 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ha ha nice

still some work to do to reach gender equality, got to win those GSLs next year


Did I miss something where is the gender inequality here?
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
November 14 2016 01:24 GMT
#4
On November 14 2016 10:19 nichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 07:53 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ha ha nice

still some work to do to reach gender equality, got to win those GSLs next year


Did I miss something where is the gender inequality here?


Female representation in esports
Cereal
nichan
Profile Joined December 2010
United States158 Posts
November 14 2016 01:38 GMT
#5
On November 14 2016 10:24 InfCereal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 10:19 nichan wrote:
On November 14 2016 07:53 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ha ha nice

still some work to do to reach gender equality, got to win those GSLs next year


Did I miss something where is the gender inequality here?


Female representation in esports


That has more to do with skill than gender
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5502 Posts
November 14 2016 02:01 GMT
#6
neato congrats scarlett
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
November 14 2016 02:01 GMT
#7
Are there precedents like this in the Guiness Book of World Records? Seems a little off to give her a gender specific award considering she was born with a male physique. I suppose when it comes to gaming there's no clear advantages to being male or female but when it comes to sports for instance there's a noted difference in phsyical ability. If a sportsman would to identify as female and compete with women, that wouldn't be fair competition in my eyes.

I think it's pretty cool she got such a prestigious title, but it sets a weird precedent.
I think esports is pretty nice.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
November 14 2016 03:03 GMT
#8
Congratulation to Scarlett, but is there any mention about her biological sex? I dont want to bring down her amazing achievement record, I know SC2 is not the olympics but to be fair to other female progamers.
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Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
November 14 2016 03:05 GMT
#9
On November 14 2016 11:01 Saechiis wrote:
Are there precedents like this in the Guiness Book of World Records? Seems a little off to give her a gender specific award considering she was born with a male physique. I suppose when it comes to gaming there's no clear advantages to being male or female but when it comes to sports for instance there's a noted difference in phsyical ability. If a sportsman would to identify as female and compete with women, that wouldn't be fair competition in my eyes.

I think it's pretty cool she got such a prestigious title, but it sets a weird precedent.


it is documented that men have improved testosterone, reaction times, and spatial awareness compared to women and this is undoubtedly an advantage in gaming. whether or not this applies to Scarlett however is a different discussion.
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
November 14 2016 03:56 GMT
#10
On November 14 2016 12:03 j4vz wrote:
Congratulation to Scarlett, but is there any mention about her biological sex? I dont want to bring down her amazing achievement record, I know SC2 is not the olympics but to be fair to other female progamers.


Yes, as great as Scarlett is at SC this seems like a weirdly overly-PC and controversial award to give...maybe "best non-male" would be more accurate but less sensationalist?
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
November 14 2016 04:01 GMT
#11
Or maybe we should be spending more time making the esports community more receptive to women instead of discrediting the most successful one we have.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
November 14 2016 04:18 GMT
#12
On November 14 2016 13:01 Circumstance wrote:
Or maybe we should be spending more time making the esports community more receptive to women instead of discrediting the most successful one we have.


or maybe we should realize that men and women are inherently different, both with gender specific advantages and disadvantages. i will never understand the reasoning behind having "women's chess" separated from "chess"
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
November 14 2016 04:30 GMT
#13
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender.
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
November 14 2016 04:38 GMT
#14
On November 14 2016 13:30 blinken wrote:
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender.


exactly...i could choose to identify as a woman and break the state benchpress record. where does the line get drawn?
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 14 2016 04:49 GMT
#15
On November 14 2016 13:30 blinken wrote:
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender.

MtF transgenderism would have to be a lot more common than it is for that to ever be true, and that's assuming it gives you an advantage which we have no proof of and I don't really believe to be true.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 05:02:24
November 14 2016 05:00 GMT
#16
On November 14 2016 13:38 LtCalley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 13:30 blinken wrote:
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender.


exactly...i could choose to identify as a woman and break the state benchpress record. where does the line get drawn?


Then do it. But something tells me you'd rather identify as a man than break the state bench press record, so you won't. And we both know it.

Gender identity isn't a game, and if you felt you were a woman inside and wanted to bench, then all the power to you.
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
November 14 2016 05:00 GMT
#17
On November 14 2016 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 13:30 blinken wrote:
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender.

MtF transgenderism would have to be a lot more common than it is for that to ever be true, and that's assuming it gives you an advantage which we have no proof of and I don't really believe to be true.


I really don't think it would have to be a lot more common. I just look at how many female Brood War players there were, and how hard they trained, and still were unable to compete with even third rate BW male pros. If they were equal in mental gaming hardware, there would be no way, just no way, this could happen. It's statistically impossible.

I simply believe in evolution. Men have been strategising for survival from the dawn of our race. For me, questioning that they evolved specific advantages in this area is questioning basic scientific logic.

Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
November 14 2016 05:13 GMT
#18
On November 14 2016 14:00 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 13:38 LtCalley wrote:
On November 14 2016 13:30 blinken wrote:
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender.


exactly...i could choose to identify as a woman and break the state benchpress record. where does the line get drawn?


Then do it. But something tells me you'd rather identify as a man than break the state bench press record, so you won't. And we both know it.

Gender identity isn't a game, and if you felt you were a woman inside and wanted to bench, then all the power to you.


I'm not commenting on whether this is fair for Starcraft (I have no idea), but you can't possibly advocate a MtF transgender person winning a state bench press competition for females.

Like I agree with the general message of it's not a game, but let's not be stupid.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 14 2016 08:44 GMT
#19
Look guys, this is a classic "who gets to be happy" issue. This kind of problems is still kinda new for humanity, since we got (at least in the western world) over the "who gets to live" class of problems, so I can see how is this difficult to approach with reason. You can either satisfy those who crave the fairest possible competition, or those who dream of being accepted by the society as transgender people. From all data available to me, the later group suffers incomparably more when deprived of their wish, so from a purely utilitarian perspective (should we accept happiness and psychical wellbeing as an utility, which we clearly should, otherwise most of our society doesn't have any sense), it makes sense to give up the former. Or from a more mundane point of view, there is no reason to be a dickhead towards a group of people who constantly face all sorts of oppression and rejection even in the most progressive societies on Earth for the sake of "fair esports competition". Even the arguments for not having female-only competitions and rankings are, while technically sound, just petty. Who does it actually hurt?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Jizz
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Australia224 Posts
November 14 2016 08:50 GMT
#20
On November 14 2016 12:05 Terranist wrote:

it is documented that men have improved testosterone, reaction times, and spatial awareness compared to women and this is undoubtedly an advantage in gaming. whether or not this applies to Scarlett however is a different discussion.


On the other hand women are generally thought of as more inclined toward multitasking, organization and intuition, skills essential to starcraft. Someone should get some identical m/f twins and make them grind ladder in the name of science
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