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On November 14 2016 14:00 blinken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2016 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 14 2016 13:30 blinken wrote:
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender. MtF transgenderism would have to be a lot more common than it is for that to ever be true, and that's assuming it gives you an advantage which we have no proof of and I don't really believe to be true. I really don't think it would have to be a lot more common. I just look at how many female Brood War players there were, and how hard they trained, and still were unable to compete with even third rate BW male pros. If they were equal in mental gaming hardware, there would be no way, just no way, this could happen. It's statistically impossible. I simply believe in evolution. Men have been strategising for survival from the dawn of our race. For me, questioning that they evolved specific advantages in this area is questioning basic scientific logic.
As logically sound as the your Darwinist approach is, i think you're missing the sociological factors which men and women are subject to in modern society. For a very colloquial example: systemically a boy who smells bad after playing games for 12 hours on a regular basis which face less stigma than a girl who does the same, whether its from their peers, parents or what have you. Boys find it easier to immerse themselves in the game because its whats expected of them.
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Congrats Scarlett, that's pretty cool!
Hopefully more and more women will start competing in the future and the numbers equal out until a gender specific record (in esports) is no longer needed.
For now it makes sense though.
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Do people know that if you transition to female you also have to do hormone therapy? That means she also doesn't have high testoterone levels anymore (that is, if she ever had them, you don't know her clinical conditions)... wew this thread is aweful and we're just at the second page.
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On November 14 2016 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2016 13:30 blinken wrote:
I love Scarlett, and totally support transgender rights, but I feel this does a disservice to biological females. If we don't set a precedent here, one day all the top earners in the female category will be mtf transgender. MtF transgenderism would have to be a lot more common than it is for that to ever be true, and that's assuming it gives you an advantage which we have no proof of and I don't really believe to be true.
So the fact that the most successful one is a transgender isn't sufficient proof yet? xD.
To me it seems obvious that it's a huge advantage.
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but as far as i know she ''he'' is not a girl %100 , you can notice that a mile away.
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Well, I'm not going to get myself banned by pointing out the obvious as I know TL has some SJW mods.
I'll just say this, please remember the fact that females make up only 1% of GM Chess players. I'd like to go more in depth with an explanation but will leave it at that as I want to avoid the ban.
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On November 14 2016 20:01 SC2BF3Love wrote:
but as far as i know she ''he'' is not a girl %100 , you can notice that a mile away.
She is a girl.
On November 14 2016 20:09 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Well, I'm not going to get myself banned by pointing out the obvious as I know TL has some SJW mods.
I'll just say this, please remember the fact that females make up only 1% of GM Chess players. I'd like to go more in depth with an explanation but will leave it at that as I want to avoid the ban.
Social pressure? Something to do with women "belonging to the kitchen"?
Ye we have SJW mods on TL, I'm glad that this place is not reddit 2.0 at least, this thread is aweful enough as it is now...
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On November 14 2016 20:25 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2016 20:01 SC2BF3Love wrote:
but as far as i know she ''he'' is not a girl %100 , you can notice that a mile away. She is a girl. Show nested quote +On November 14 2016 20:09 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Well, I'm not going to get myself banned by pointing out the obvious as I know TL has some SJW mods.
I'll just say this, please remember the fact that females make up only 1% of GM Chess players. I'd like to go more in depth with an explanation but will leave it at that as I want to avoid the ban. Social pressure? Something to do with women "belonging to the kitchen"? Ye we have SJW mods on TL, I'm glad that this place is not reddit 2.0 at least, this thread is aweful enough as it is now...
there is nothing awful in this thread.
People are questioning stuff, and that's perfectly acceptable.
If anything, I'm surprised at how civil everyone is being.
Posts like this are just begging for the thread to go awry though, so let's stop this please.
Grats to Scarlet!
I do think this is a very controversial topic though, and am not sure how 'fair' it is to girls who were born with a female body, but then again - it's just a record about how much money you've made, which, let's face it, doesn't mean THAT much. With all of the trans-rights movements we have lately though, I do think that guiness will have to think of something to please everyone in the gender-specific records. I do see how some people can think this isn't fair.
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The record is for the highest career earnings for a female competitive videogame player. Scarlett is female, and whichever sex she was/wasn't born as does not apply to anything related to the award nor to her other accomplishments.
Not only that, but she is also a role model, icon, and inspiration to people of all sexes and genders all over the world, especially to many female gamers.
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On November 14 2016 22:49 blunderfulguy wrote:
whichever sex she was/wasn't born as does not apply to anything related to the award nor to her other accomplishments.
While this is the politically correct thing to say, whether or not that's true is debatable and is the main cause of controversy
On November 14 2016 22:49 blunderfulguy wrote:
Not only that, but she is also a role model, icon, and inspiration to people of all sexes and genders all over the world, especially to many female gamers.
this on the other hand, is indeed not related to the award or her other accomplishments. 
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On November 14 2016 23:10 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2016 22:49 blunderfulguy wrote:
whichever sex she was/wasn't born as does not apply to anything related to the award nor to her other accomplishments.
While this is the politically correct thing to say, whether or not that's true is debatable and is the main cause of controversy Show nested quote +On November 14 2016 22:49 blunderfulguy wrote:
Not only that, but she is also a role model, icon, and inspiration to people of all sexes and genders all over the world, especially to many female gamers.
this on the other hand, is indeed not related to the award or her other accomplishments.
It's a fact that the award and her other accomplishments as a female gamer are given to her because she is female.
People also seem to think that it "isn't fair to female gamers", yet she's a role model to those very women.
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What's so politically correct about the fact that a female award is assigned to a female player? Unless you don't consider trans females to be females, then you should just stop tiptoeing around it and say it. But that wouldn't be "politically incorrect", it would just be factually and scientifically wrong.
People blaming everything on "politically correct" just sound like they don't want to deal with the fact that their opinions are bigoted, if not outright wrong.
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On November 14 2016 20:09 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Well, I'm not going to get myself banned by pointing out the obvious as I know TL has some SJW mods.
I'll just say this, please remember the fact that females make up only 1% of GM Chess players. I'd like to go more in depth with an explanation but will leave it at that as I want to avoid the ban.
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The thing is, if you look at the number of females compared to males playing chess, the ratio is highly skewed in males favor anyway. Secondly, it's fairly well established that of those females that play, most train less than males. Males are inherently more competitive, as thanks to society, we've kinda conditioned the females role to be one of subservience and "home life". It's a shitty situation, but that's the past. I would be very surprised if we didn't see more women gaming and becoming very competitive professional players.
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On November 15 2016 00:38 HsDLTitich wrote:
What's so politically correct about the fact that a female award is assigned to a female player? Unless you don't consider trans females to be females, then you should just stop tiptoeing around it and say it. But that wouldn't be "politically incorrect", it would just be factually and scientifically wrong.
People blaming everything on "politically correct" just sound like they don't want to deal with the fact that their opinions are bigoted, if not outright wrong.
Hi, could you not come into a very tame discussion thread only to call everyone bigoted and objectively wrong whilst not bringing any arguments other than your misguided sense of moral high ground? Thank you.
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Oh boy. How did I know how this thread would turn out?
It didnt even take 1 page until this shitty discussion had to come up again.
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On November 14 2016 11:01 Saechiis wrote:
Are there precedents like this in the Guiness Book of World Records? Seems a little off to give her a gender specific award considering she was born with a male physique. I suppose when it comes to gaming there's no clear advantages to being male or female but when it comes to sports for instance there's a noted difference in phsyical ability. If a sportsman would to identify as female and compete with women, that wouldn't be fair competition in my eyes.
I think it's pretty cool she got such a prestigious title, but it sets a weird precedent.
Congrats, we made it five posts without this stupid discussion.
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Congrats to her.
Didn't know e-sports were in the guiness book.
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On November 14 2016 23:41 blunderfulguy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2016 23:10 abuse wrote:On November 14 2016 22:49 blunderfulguy wrote:
whichever sex she was/wasn't born as does not apply to anything related to the award nor to her other accomplishments.
While this is the politically correct thing to say, whether or not that's true is debatable and is the main cause of controversy On November 14 2016 22:49 blunderfulguy wrote:
Not only that, but she is also a role model, icon, and inspiration to people of all sexes and genders all over the world, especially to many female gamers.
this on the other hand, is indeed not related to the award or her other accomplishments. It's a fact that the award and her other accomplishments as a female gamer are given to her because she is female. People also seem to think that it "isn't fair to female gamers", yet she's a role model to those very women.
No-one questioned why she got the award. People are questioning whether it is fair to give her a gender specific award considering she's still competing with male genes. It doesn't matter that we consider her to be female, her genes are still giving her male specific advantages.
To make an extreme example, if Usain Bolt were to transition into being female and then competed in women's athletics, he would easily destroy everyone because of the male muscle mass advantage. It would be unfair competition. While Scarlett's case isn't as clear cut as that, no-one has provided objective arguments to say otherwise.
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On November 15 2016 01:16 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2016 00:38 HsDLTitich wrote:
What's so politically correct about the fact that a female award is assigned to a female player? Unless you don't consider trans females to be females, then you should just stop tiptoeing around it and say it. But that wouldn't be "politically incorrect", it would just be factually and scientifically wrong.
People blaming everything on "politically correct" just sound like they don't want to deal with the fact that their opinions are bigoted, if not outright wrong. Hi, could you not come into a very tame discussion thread only to call everyone bigoted and objectively wrong whilst not bringing any arguments other than your misguided sense of moral high ground? Thank you.
A tame discussion about how a girl is not actually a girl? Please.
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Original Message From Saechiis:
Care to explain what was stupid about my post?
Do you not find it odd that one of the best foreign players gets an award and the first thing your mind goes to is the balls she used to have?
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