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On September 07 2016 04:27 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 03:03 Ctone23 wrote:On September 07 2016 02:06 Elentos wrote:On September 06 2016 23:50 Ctone23 wrote:On September 06 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:On September 06 2016 23:33 Ctone23 wrote:On September 06 2016 23:26 Olli wrote:
Incredibly relieved to be able to point to this and say "but we did have a Global Event!" when the discussion about WCS 2017 starts. Yeah it's a huge relief, I only wish the winner of this would get an invite to Blizzcon. It's good that they don't. Stuff like that only punishes people who were consistent throughout the year but didn't actually win a tournament, especially because it's a very late announcement. Seems only fair to me, but I can respect that argument. Okay, let me give you an example then. Let's assume sOs wins GSL and secures his Blizzcon spot that way. Then the Korean top 8 for Blizzcon is Dark, Solar, Zest, Stats, TY, sOs, ByuN, Dear. Now let's assume the winner of KeSPA Cup gets a Blizzcon ticket. Say, perhaps, INnoVation wins KeSPA Cup. INnoVation only has 800 WCS points, he's far away from the top 8. Even with the points from KeSPA Cup he'd only be at 2300. But because of the guaranteed ticket he would still have a Blizzcon seed and kick out the lowest ranking top 8 player (by points). In this case, Dear, who would have more than twice as many WCS points as INnoVation for his vastly superior performances in Korean leagues (2x GSL Ro4, 1x SSL Ro8) would get cut. In favor of someone who only really performed for the 3 days of KeSPA Cup. I'm not trying to dispute how the points are allocated, although I think they need to think about Point distribution in 2017, TRUE got 3000 for his WCS Summer victory but a Global Kespa Cup 1st place winner gets 1500? I simply feel this tournament is worthy of a direct seed to Blizzcon if the other direct seed LAN tournaments are. All weekend tournaments used to be like this. Maybe a bit weaker on average because of Proleague. And lower prize pool because the "Global" requirement didn't exist. The fact that this tournament makes you feel like the winner should get a direct Blizzcon seed just exemplifies how much of a loss we took in tournaments this year. Because in the grand scheme of Starcraft 2, it's not a once in a lifetime event.
I'm not saying it's once in a lifetime, and a player like herO has a real shot to get into Blizzcon because of this event, he could theoretically overtake Classic, so there's still something to play for! Hindsight is always 20/20 and when I look back on the year, this event (albeit short notice) certainly has the caliber of players worthy of the winner being awarded a spot. I wish that were the case, but I can understand and respect the arguments against it. It would certainly increase the hype levels x9000
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Thank you so much for another event!!!
KESPA THANK YOU
THE ONLY GOD DAMN TOURNAMENT ORGANIZER WHO HOSTS OPEN, INTERNATIONAL EVENTS
HOLY MOLY KESPA I LOVE U KESPA 4EVER?!
I'm so hyped and really pleased to see this. maru being invited is cherry on cake!! :D :D
On September 06 2016 19:21 Noonius wrote:
LMAO Zest
also I do hope to see JA fan tears
Proleague called, it wants an umbrella. Too many noonius tears
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On September 07 2016 04:30 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 01:55 Charoisaur wrote:
Great to see that foreigners will lose the illusion that they now can magically compete with koreans even before blizzcon.
Maybe we'll see nerchio losing 4:0 to hurricane and speed or something. Nerchio losing to KR Zergs would be amusing.
It definitely would :-)
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On September 07 2016 05:39 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 04:30 Phredxor wrote:On September 07 2016 01:55 Charoisaur wrote:
Great to see that foreigners will lose the illusion that they now can magically compete with koreans even before blizzcon.
Maybe we'll see nerchio losing 4:0 to hurricane and speed or something. Nerchio losing to KR Zergs would be amusing. It definitely would :-)
Not really, his ZvZ is shit atm, everyone knows that. If anything, him loosing in ZvT would be telling something. Unless it's against Maru. Everyone can loose to Maru.
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On September 06 2016 23:58 Eiltonn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 22:41 Biscuittzz wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol Is that the same Olimoleague that Neeb was manhandled by Byun? No sadly ByuN lost in the semi Finals to Reality :-/
Hmm which one am I thinking of then?
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On September 06 2016 19:16 Major wrote:
Im tired and i think i speak on behalf alot of ppl of these invites based on points ita totally unfair and really should b removed for next year
Don't worry. You'll prob making it through qualifiers without dropping a map.
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On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.)
Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/
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So if there are 12 Koreans and 4 Foreigners possibly, this tournament is technically of a higher standard than Blizzcon itself?
Yet the 1st place prize of Blizzcon is over ten times that of this tournament. WCS logic.
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On September 07 2016 06:07 Biscuittzz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.) Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/
As I said, he's done well. People were not speaking about True when they said Hydra and Polt would dominate. Ok, let's look for a moment at Hydra. One win, two ro8, two ro16, a ro4, and a ro32. This is hardly domination by Hydra. He's done significantly worse than people though he would. I would say that this is close to the opposite of dominant.
Now Polt won one tournament and placed 2nd in another. However, he also has a ro4 finish, a ro16 finish, and a ro32 finish.
I will admit that the "complete opposite" was not the right phrase for Polt. (For hydra, yes it was). However, people were expecting that he'd get ro4 or higher every tournament. And though he did win a tournament (Early into LotV) and he just placed 2nd (though if drogo hadn't choked he would have gotten ro8). But the fact that he got out in the ro16 and the ro32 is huge. To have that many foreign players advance over Polt was a big upset.
In WCS, Koreans have won 3/8 of all foreign tournaments. Perhaps not individually, but I would say that 37.5% of all tournaments is the opposite of Korean domination in WCS.
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On September 07 2016 06:29 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 06:07 Biscuittzz wrote:On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.) Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/ As I said, he's done well. People were not speaking about True when they said Hydra and Polt would dominate. Ok, let's look for a moment at Hydra. One win, two ro8, two ro16, a ro4, and a ro32. This is hardly domination by Hydra. He's done significantly worse than people though he would. I would say that this is close to the opposite of dominant. Now Polt won one tournament and placed 2nd in another. However, he also has a ro4 finish, a ro16 finish, and a ro32 finish. I will admit that the "complete opposite" was not the right phrase for Polt. (For hydra, yes it was). However, people were expecting that he'd get ro4 or higher every tournament. And though he did win a tournament (Early into LotV) and he just placed 2nd (though if drogo hadn't choked he would have gotten ro8). But the fact that he got out in the ro16 and the ro32 is huge. To have that many foreign players advance over Polt was a big upset. In WCS, Koreans have won 3/8 of all foreign tournaments. Perhaps not individually, but I would say that 37.5% of all tournaments is the opposite of Korean domination in WCS.
it's bigger when you take into account that there are only three Koreans and the rest are foreigners
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On September 07 2016 06:44 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 06:29 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 07 2016 06:07 Biscuittzz wrote:On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.) Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/ As I said, he's done well. People were not speaking about True when they said Hydra and Polt would dominate. Ok, let's look for a moment at Hydra. One win, two ro8, two ro16, a ro4, and a ro32. This is hardly domination by Hydra. He's done significantly worse than people though he would. I would say that this is close to the opposite of dominant. Now Polt won one tournament and placed 2nd in another. However, he also has a ro4 finish, a ro16 finish, and a ro32 finish. I will admit that the "complete opposite" was not the right phrase for Polt. (For hydra, yes it was). However, people were expecting that he'd get ro4 or higher every tournament. And though he did win a tournament (Early into LotV) and he just placed 2nd (though if drogo hadn't choked he would have gotten ro8). But the fact that he got out in the ro16 and the ro32 is huge. To have that many foreign players advance over Polt was a big upset. In WCS, Koreans have won 3/8 of all foreign tournaments. Perhaps not individually, but I would say that 37.5% of all tournaments is the opposite of Korean domination in WCS. it's bigger when you take into account that there are only three Koreans and the rest are foreigners
There's 4 and all of them might make Blizzcon (though viOlet probably won't).
E: Actually there's 5. Still, 5 of like 100 are Korean and 3-4 make it. Not domination but it's a pretty silly percentage.
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On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.)
I pretty much covered all I need to say in answer in the Dreamhack Montreal thread
On August 15 2016 04:25 showstealer1829 wrote:
In WCS 2015 we had:
S1 Korea vs Korea final
S2 Korea vs Foreigner final
S3 Foreigner vs Foreigner final
In WCS 2016 we had:
S1 Korea vs Foreigner final
S2 Foreigner vs Foreigner final
S3 Korean vs Korean final
The more things change, the more they stay the same
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Awesome news. Wish we had one earlier in the year, the scene needed more Kespa/Hot6 cups to kill the downtime.
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It's so incredibly fitting that it's KeSPA who pull out the first and probably only Global Event of the year.
HSC will be global too 
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On September 07 2016 06:29 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 06:07 Biscuittzz wrote:On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.) Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/ As I said, he's done well. People were not speaking about True when they said Hydra and Polt would dominate. Ok, let's look for a moment at Hydra. One win, two ro8, two ro16, a ro4, and a ro32. This is hardly domination by Hydra. He's done significantly worse than people though he would. I would say that this is close to the opposite of dominant. Now Polt won one tournament and placed 2nd in another. However, he also has a ro4 finish, a ro16 finish, and a ro32 finish. I will admit that the "complete opposite" was not the right phrase for Polt. (For hydra, yes it was). However, people were expecting that he'd get ro4 or higher every tournament. And though he did win a tournament (Early into LotV) and he just placed 2nd (though if drogo hadn't choked he would have gotten ro8). But the fact that he got out in the ro16 and the ro32 is huge. To have that many foreign players advance over Polt was a big upset. In WCS, Koreans have won 3/8 of all foreign tournaments. Perhaps not individually, but I would say that 37.5% of all tournaments is the opposite of Korean domination in WCS.
All depends on bracket though. Polt was knocked out by Showtime and Nerchio who are in the top 3 foreigners at the moment. He was knocked out by Firecake which I will grant was a shock. Polt has only gone to 5 tournaments this year, skipping Leipzig, WCS Shanghai and IEM Shanghai. In the ones he attended, He's gotten a 1st, 2nd, 3/4, and a Ro16 loss to Firecake. Also a Ro32 loss to showtime but that's bracket luck. Either way that's the best set of results from anyone in WCS this year so while perhaps not dominating he's on top IMO.
I'll agree with TRUE and Hydra though. TRUE came out of nowhere and Hydra has completely dropped off.
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On September 07 2016 06:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 06:44 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2016 06:29 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 07 2016 06:07 Biscuittzz wrote:On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.) Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/ As I said, he's done well. People were not speaking about True when they said Hydra and Polt would dominate. Ok, let's look for a moment at Hydra. One win, two ro8, two ro16, a ro4, and a ro32. This is hardly domination by Hydra. He's done significantly worse than people though he would. I would say that this is close to the opposite of dominant. Now Polt won one tournament and placed 2nd in another. However, he also has a ro4 finish, a ro16 finish, and a ro32 finish. I will admit that the "complete opposite" was not the right phrase for Polt. (For hydra, yes it was). However, people were expecting that he'd get ro4 or higher every tournament. And though he did win a tournament (Early into LotV) and he just placed 2nd (though if drogo hadn't choked he would have gotten ro8). But the fact that he got out in the ro16 and the ro32 is huge. To have that many foreign players advance over Polt was a big upset. In WCS, Koreans have won 3/8 of all foreign tournaments. Perhaps not individually, but I would say that 37.5% of all tournaments is the opposite of Korean domination in WCS. it's bigger when you take into account that there are only three Koreans and the rest are foreigners There's 4 and all of them might make Blizzcon (though viOlet probably won't). E: Actually there's 5. Still, 5 of like 100 are Korean and 3-4 make it. Not domination but it's a pretty silly percentage.
Actually if you were to say that there are 100 Foreigners and 5 Koreans to fight for 8 spots, with an outcome of 4 Koreans getting through, that is domination to be fair.
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On September 07 2016 07:08 IArako wrote:Show nested quote +It's so incredibly fitting that it's KeSPA who pull out the first and probably only Global Event of the year. HSC will be global too
Will it award WCS points though? (last one didn't and that's what we're talking about)
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On September 07 2016 06:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 06:44 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2016 06:29 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 07 2016 06:07 Biscuittzz wrote:On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.) Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/ As I said, he's done well. People were not speaking about True when they said Hydra and Polt would dominate. Ok, let's look for a moment at Hydra. One win, two ro8, two ro16, a ro4, and a ro32. This is hardly domination by Hydra. He's done significantly worse than people though he would. I would say that this is close to the opposite of dominant. Now Polt won one tournament and placed 2nd in another. However, he also has a ro4 finish, a ro16 finish, and a ro32 finish. I will admit that the "complete opposite" was not the right phrase for Polt. (For hydra, yes it was). However, people were expecting that he'd get ro4 or higher every tournament. And though he did win a tournament (Early into LotV) and he just placed 2nd (though if drogo hadn't choked he would have gotten ro8). But the fact that he got out in the ro16 and the ro32 is huge. To have that many foreign players advance over Polt was a big upset. In WCS, Koreans have won 3/8 of all foreign tournaments. Perhaps not individually, but I would say that 37.5% of all tournaments is the opposite of Korean domination in WCS. it's bigger when you take into account that there are only three Koreans and the rest are foreigners There's 4 and all of them might make Blizzcon (though viOlet probably won't). E: Actually there's 5. Still, 5 of like 100 are Korean and 3-4 make it. Not domination but it's a pretty silly percentage.
Polt, Hydra, Violet, TRUE and who else???
Don't say MaSa.
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I am so excited to see this happen!
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On September 07 2016 08:23 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 06:47 Elentos wrote:On September 07 2016 06:44 Incognoto wrote:On September 07 2016 06:29 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 07 2016 06:07 Biscuittzz wrote:On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right? Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners. So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify. On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?
Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system. Yeah i think it is. Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year. => It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.) Ehhhh out of the 3 WCS Championships this year, Polt won 1 and was a finalist in the other. Hardly doing the exact opposite haha. So 2/3 of the WCS this year have been won by Koreans, but that's the opposite right? ;/ As I said, he's done well. People were not speaking about True when they said Hydra and Polt would dominate. Ok, let's look for a moment at Hydra. One win, two ro8, two ro16, a ro4, and a ro32. This is hardly domination by Hydra. He's done significantly worse than people though he would. I would say that this is close to the opposite of dominant. Now Polt won one tournament and placed 2nd in another. However, he also has a ro4 finish, a ro16 finish, and a ro32 finish. I will admit that the "complete opposite" was not the right phrase for Polt. (For hydra, yes it was). However, people were expecting that he'd get ro4 or higher every tournament. And though he did win a tournament (Early into LotV) and he just placed 2nd (though if drogo hadn't choked he would have gotten ro8). But the fact that he got out in the ro16 and the ro32 is huge. To have that many foreign players advance over Polt was a big upset. In WCS, Koreans have won 3/8 of all foreign tournaments. Perhaps not individually, but I would say that 37.5% of all tournaments is the opposite of Korean domination in WCS. it's bigger when you take into account that there are only three Koreans and the rest are foreigners There's 4 and all of them might make Blizzcon (though viOlet probably won't). E: Actually there's 5. Still, 5 of like 100 are Korean and 3-4 make it. Not domination but it's a pretty silly percentage. Polt, Hydra, Violet, TRUE and who else??? Don't say MaSa.
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