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TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 17:17:07
September 06 2016 17:16 GMT
#141
Eiltonn
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany307 Posts
September 06 2016 17:35 GMT
#142
On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:
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On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol


So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right?

Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners.

So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify.

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On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?

Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system.


Yeah i think it is.
Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year.

=> It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments


But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.)



Polt is first in WCS pts and qualified himself at the very first Event allowing you to qualify for Blizzcon. How is this the opposite of dominating? Oo
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kurosu_
Profile Joined February 2013
France46 Posts
September 06 2016 17:41 GMT
#143
So, this is the "Hero, win or loose everything" Cup? Because only a first place makes him get to Blizzcon. Second place would make him miss the last spot by probably the smallest amount possible in KR, 50 pts.

And that's likely completely intended, seeing how 1st place is not that many more points. Indeed, global events are only described as awarding in total 7500 pts.

Coincidentally, the least points awarded are 225, i.e. make or break for any of Elazer, viOLet or PtitDrogo. uThermal still has Copa Intercontinental, but getting only those 225 points over those 2 tournies would net him 2605, ie missing Blizzcon by... 10 points.

Time to renew the wcs predictor ?

tl; dr: hype stakes!

Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
September 06 2016 18:03 GMT
#144
On September 07 2016 02:06 Elentos wrote:
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On September 06 2016 23:50 Ctone23 wrote:
On September 06 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On September 06 2016 23:33 Ctone23 wrote:
On September 06 2016 23:26 Olli wrote:
Incredibly relieved to be able to point to this and say "but we did have a Global Event!" when the discussion about WCS 2017 starts.

Yeah it's a huge relief, I only wish the winner of this would get an invite to Blizzcon.

It's good that they don't. Stuff like that only punishes people who were consistent throughout the year but didn't actually win a tournament, especially because it's a very late announcement.

Seems only fair to me, but I can respect that argument.

Okay, let me give you an example then.

Let's assume sOs wins GSL and secures his Blizzcon spot that way. Then the Korean top 8 for Blizzcon is Dark, Solar, Zest, Stats, TY, sOs, ByuN, Dear. Now let's assume the winner of KeSPA Cup gets a Blizzcon ticket. Say, perhaps, INnoVation wins KeSPA Cup. INnoVation only has 800 WCS points, he's far away from the top 8. Even with the points from KeSPA Cup he'd only be at 2300. But because of the guaranteed ticket he would still have a Blizzcon seed and kick out the lowest ranking top 8 player (by points).

In this case, Dear, who would have more than twice as many WCS points as INnoVation for his vastly superior performances in Korean leagues (2x GSL Ro4, 1x SSL Ro8) would get cut. In favor of someone who only really performed for the 3 days of KeSPA Cup.

I'm not trying to dispute how the points are allocated, although I think they need to think about Point distribution in 2017, TRUE got 3000 for his WCS Summer victory but a Global Kespa Cup 1st place winner gets 1500? I simply feel this tournament is worthy of a direct seed to Blizzcon if the other direct seed LAN tournaments are.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 06 2016 18:09 GMT
#145
On September 07 2016 01:49 Shellshock wrote:
Neeb 4-0 Maru in the final imo


lay off the fire water, we all know very well that neither of them will reach RO8.

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 06 2016 18:10 GMT
#146
On September 07 2016 02:06 geokilla wrote:
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On September 07 2016 01:49 Shellshock wrote:
Neeb 4-0 Maru in the final imo

If this happens, then Maru should retire as a pro gamer.


he'll do the right thing and do his military service and then switch to Overwatch

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 06 2016 18:15 GMT
#147
I am so happy for Maru for this Kespa Cup ... finally, he can win a title. Sad, he can't make it to BlizzCon though ...
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 06 2016 18:17 GMT
#148
On September 07 2016 03:15 Diabolique wrote:
I am so happy for Maru for this Kespa Cup ... finally, he can win a title. Sad, he can't make it to BlizzCon though ...

Maru is only good at bo1 these days, no title for him in the near future
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 06 2016 18:20 GMT
#149
On September 07 2016 03:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On September 07 2016 03:15 Diabolique wrote:
I am so happy for Maru for this Kespa Cup ... finally, he can win a title. Sad, he can't make it to BlizzCon though ...

Maru is only good at bo1 these days, no title for him in the near future

Maru will trash your Zest with his two cannon rushes :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 06 2016 18:21 GMT
#150
On September 07 2016 03:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 03:15 Diabolique wrote:
I am so happy for Maru for this Kespa Cup ... finally, he can win a title. Sad, he can't make it to BlizzCon though ...

Maru is only good at bo1 these days, no title for him in the near future


He needs to just win a couple of sets of 2-4 consecutive bo1s (depending on the bo-ness of the sets)
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FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1208 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 19:01:02
September 06 2016 18:50 GMT
#151
On September 07 2016 01:24 RedAlice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 01:18 FrkFrJss wrote:
On September 06 2016 22:34 Eiltonn wrote:
Btw what except for Neebs recent run in the Olimo Cup makes people think that foreigners will be able to beat Koreans? I do not mean any offense, but when there is 8 people going through KR only qualifiers + herO, Maru, Zest and Stats the only chance i see for the foreigners is Zest going for a cannon rush lol


So Zest will cannon rush....and lose badly right?

Besides, once you get past the top Koreans, (and there's no guarantee that only the very top Koreans will make it through the qualifiers) you get to Reality, alive, ryung, and gumiho. And all of those players have been beaten by a number of foreigners.

So if (and this is a big if) the best of the best foreigners make it through, they may not be able to beat the top Koreans, but they'll likely put up some good games versus the weaker Koreans who qualify.

On September 07 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 07 2016 01:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Is this the first global event of the year?

Having so few global events is one of the major letdowns of this year's WCS system.


Yeah i think it is.
Personally i only have two problems with the system: We have less korean tournaments and we have less "global" events because any global from last year got region locked this year.

=> It's not nearly as interesting to follow sc2 this year unless all you care for is foreigners winning tournaments


But if you even care a bit for foreigners winning, then SC2 has been very interesting to follow. (Especially how Polt and Hydra were expected to dominate and then did the exact opposite.)



Group stage ro16 makes it harder for casual wins.


True, but they might get 3rd in their group instead of last

On September 07 2016 02:35 Eiltonn wrote:

Polt is first in WCS pts and qualified himself at the very first Event allowing you to qualify for Blizzcon. How is this the opposite of dominating? Oo


I was looking at them broadly. Yes, Polt won the first tournament and got second recently, but otherwise he got 4th and fell out early in the Dreamhack opens. People thought that he would do very well in all the tournaments. He has done well, he hasn't been dominant.
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
September 06 2016 19:14 GMT
#152
On September 06 2016 18:59 Olli wrote:
It's so incredibly fitting that it's KeSPA who pull out the first and probably only Global Event of the year.


Took the words out of my mouth. It's September and this is the first Global Event of the year. Didn't Blizz promise more? :/

Thank you, South Korea.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 06 2016 19:18 GMT
#153
On September 07 2016 03:20 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 03:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 07 2016 03:15 Diabolique wrote:
I am so happy for Maru for this Kespa Cup ... finally, he can win a title. Sad, he can't make it to BlizzCon though ...

Maru is only good at bo1 these days, no title for him in the near future

Maru will trash your Zest with his two cannon rushes :-)

I mean Zest is kinda bad atm, sure. Doesn't change the fact that Maru did very badly in starleagues where you need to play boX series
And i like Maru as well btw ^^
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StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
September 06 2016 19:19 GMT
#154
On September 07 2016 01:49 Shellshock wrote:
Neeb 4-0 Maru in the final imo


if you consider how helpless maru looked against gateway pushes recently, the result wouldnt be unlikly. but neeb wont make it deep. lets hope he can qualify. and with maru it depends on the draw.
Justinian
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom158 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 19:28:16
September 06 2016 19:27 GMT
#155
Is this pretty much the first time in the entire history of SC2 that the absolute top foreigners and top Koreans have faced off against each other en masse in a proper offline tournament? It's certainly never happened at Blizzcon.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 19:31:48
September 06 2016 19:27 GMT
#156
On September 07 2016 03:03 Ctone23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 02:06 Elentos wrote:
On September 06 2016 23:50 Ctone23 wrote:
On September 06 2016 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On September 06 2016 23:33 Ctone23 wrote:
On September 06 2016 23:26 Olli wrote:
Incredibly relieved to be able to point to this and say "but we did have a Global Event!" when the discussion about WCS 2017 starts.

Yeah it's a huge relief, I only wish the winner of this would get an invite to Blizzcon.

It's good that they don't. Stuff like that only punishes people who were consistent throughout the year but didn't actually win a tournament, especially because it's a very late announcement.

Seems only fair to me, but I can respect that argument.

Okay, let me give you an example then.

Let's assume sOs wins GSL and secures his Blizzcon spot that way. Then the Korean top 8 for Blizzcon is Dark, Solar, Zest, Stats, TY, sOs, ByuN, Dear. Now let's assume the winner of KeSPA Cup gets a Blizzcon ticket. Say, perhaps, INnoVation wins KeSPA Cup. INnoVation only has 800 WCS points, he's far away from the top 8. Even with the points from KeSPA Cup he'd only be at 2300. But because of the guaranteed ticket he would still have a Blizzcon seed and kick out the lowest ranking top 8 player (by points).

In this case, Dear, who would have more than twice as many WCS points as INnoVation for his vastly superior performances in Korean leagues (2x GSL Ro4, 1x SSL Ro8) would get cut. In favor of someone who only really performed for the 3 days of KeSPA Cup.

I'm not trying to dispute how the points are allocated, although I think they need to think about Point distribution in 2017, TRUE got 3000 for his WCS Summer victory but a Global Kespa Cup 1st place winner gets 1500? I simply feel this tournament is worthy of a direct seed to Blizzcon if the other direct seed LAN tournaments are.

All weekend tournaments used to be like this. Maybe a bit weaker on average because of Proleague. And lower prize pool because the "Global" requirement didn't exist. The fact that this tournament makes you feel like the winner should get a direct Blizzcon seed just exemplifies how much of a loss we took in tournaments this year. Because in the grand scheme of Starcraft 2, it's not a once in a lifetime event.
On September 07 2016 04:27 Justinian wrote:
Is this pretty much the first time in the entire history of SC2 that the absolute top foreigners and top Koreans have faced off against each other en masse in a proper offline tournament? It's certainly never happened at Blizzcon.
It'll most likely be 12 Koreans vs 4 foreigners. Not really that en masse, and in the end not too different from some IEM Ro16s.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 06 2016 19:30 GMT
#157
On September 07 2016 01:55 Charoisaur wrote:
Great to see that foreigners will lose the illusion that they now can magically compete with koreans even before blizzcon.
Maybe we'll see nerchio losing 4:0 to hurricane and speed or something.


Nerchio losing to KR Zergs would be amusing.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 06 2016 19:31 GMT
#158
On September 07 2016 04:27 Justinian wrote:
Is this pretty much the first time in the entire history of SC2 that the absolute top foreigners and top Koreans have faced off against each other en masse in a proper offline tournament? It's certainly never happened at Blizzcon.


Early GSL's had them. So no.
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Justinian
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom158 Posts
September 06 2016 19:33 GMT
#159
Yeah I thought it was 8 vs 8 for some reason. Still, exciting.
egernya
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada352 Posts
September 06 2016 19:51 GMT
#160
On September 06 2016 20:14 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2016 19:15 Musicus wrote:
Hype!!!

But why monday finals? Well thankfully I am done working by then .

Clearly because October 3rd is a holiday in Germany. We are the core audience of KeSPA Cup. Confirmed.
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On September 06 2016 20:14 Inflicted wrote:
Qualifier maps are Frost - KSS - Frozen Temple (in that order)
RIP Zergs?

Frost and Frozen should be good enough for the really good ones to qualify.


I did not know that Germany celebrated our foundation day too, even as a holiday as well!
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