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Elentos
55585 Posts
On September 07 2016 05:42 stardog wrote: Not really, his ZvZ is shit atm, everyone knows that. If anything, him loosing in ZvT would be telling something. Unless it's against Maru. Everyone can loose to Maru. Nerchio said Maru's overrated and not really that great. I'm gonna hold him to that. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On September 07 2016 17:03 Swisslink wrote: Didn't Blizzard even pay the organizers to exclude Koreans? Meaning: If they organized a WCS Event, they got money, if they did a global event, they didn't? Yep, Global Events aren't supported by Blizzard. At least that's according to the WCS 2017 announcement. | ||
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Elentos
55585 Posts
On September 07 2016 17:19 Olli wrote: Yep, Global Events aren't supported by Blizzard. At least that's according to the WCS 2017 announcement. And good luck finding organizers who are willing to provide the 50,000$ prize pools by themselves. In 2015 that was DH: Winter and IEM Katowice (for things that aren't main WCS tournaments). In 2014 we had DH: Winter, IEM Katowice, RB Washington, KeSPA Cup. And DH: Winter is always before the new WCS season starts. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
IIRC TotalBiscuit implied something like that (not that he would necessarily know, but he at least speculated) | ||
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Elentos
55585 Posts
On September 07 2016 17:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok to be fair though: It seems very likely that tournament organizers actually had a talk with blizzard and these tournament organizers probably would have dropped sc2 completely from their weekend tournaments which then resulted in blizzard restructuring wcs as they did (aka make IEM, Dreamhack, whoever have sc2 that way) IIRC TotalBiscuit implied something like that (not that he would necessarily know, but he at least speculated) But that's also why from the start people were saying we'll get one or maybe two WCS Global Events at most this year, many were doubting Global Events would happen at all. Which, for an entire WCS year, is pretty shitty. I assume if Blizzard didn't agree to the organizers' conditions we wouldn't even have gotten IEM's silly 8-man IEM Taipei invitational. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Did they do an amazing job building a strong sc2 esports scene since the beginning of wcs, etc? No. But not everything is in their control either and at this point they already do a lot to at least keep it alive. | ||
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Elentos
55585 Posts
On September 07 2016 17:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah sure it's shitty, but it's unfair to blame blizzard for it when they pretty much sponsor the whole sc2 scene on their own already. Did they do an amazing job building a strong sc2 esports scene since the beginning of wcs, etc? No. But not everything is in their control either and at this point they already do a lot to at least keep it alive. They could have not made the prize pool requirement for Global Events an amount most organizers per default aren't willing to invest. For the entirety of HotS it's only been IEM Katowice (which was WCS Winter this year so no luck there), DH: Winter (which is after Blizzcon so not WCS), MLG (in 2013, the 2014 one was 40k and then they stopped), Red Bull (who also haven't done an individual SC2 tournament since 2014) and KeSPA Cup who met the "Global Event" requirements. They set the bar too high. They should have realized that. They pumped so much money into the scene all over the place and Global Events end up being the only thing they don't support. The thing many people would want because they had them for years. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On September 07 2016 17:19 Olli wrote: Yep, Global Events aren't supported by Blizzard. At least that's according to the WCS 2017 announcement. Wait what? What WCS 2017 announcements? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Elentos
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Eiltonn
Germany307 Posts
On September 07 2016 04:27 Justinian wrote: Is this pretty much the first time in the entire history of SC2 that the absolute top foreigners and top Koreans have faced off against each other en masse in a proper offline tournament? It's certainly never happened at Blizzcon. Lol what you described used to be a regular thing in SC2. There were countless weekend tourneys like IEM, Dreamhack qnd especially MLG. There the best players from both sides used to play against each other. Tbh i never had so much fun watching sc2 like i had during some 2011 MLGs, these tourneys were straight up perfect On September 07 2016 11:32 IArako wrote: All this hate against against foreigners in here makes me sick. Ok i get it you love your koreans and i agree the current wcs system is unfair against them but i think its awesome to finally have a global event and its still 3/4 of spots to koreans and if they are that much better they will get all the high finishers and prizemoney so how on earth can you be so salty about that? No offense but i cant understand... great job Kespa! This whole eco system around SC2 makes me sick. In my eyes its fucking ridiculous and dumb af. Like yes its a shame when there is not enough money in the foreign SC2 scene for the progamers to make a decent living off it. But no one is entitled to be living off of SC2. So if it doesnt work out for you, im sorry but to me the solution is not artificially pumping money in their scene while they dont really deserve it performance wise and thereby fucking up the Koreans who actually aint naturally better at SC2 they just train a lot more. Take a look on Aligulac. From the 40 programers who made most money in SC2 this year only 8 play in the korean WCS system. While probably the top 15 or 20 of players all play in the korean eco system. Cant wait for the friggin "but foreigners are on korean level" arguments now. That only came up since foreigners didnt get to play against koreans anymore lol. On September 07 2016 16:05 Olli wrote: And that's because Blizzard gave them absolutely zero incentive. Exactly this! When Blizzard creates such a system they obviously are responsible for what changes to their system do fo everybody in it. Blizzard failed massively this year. On September 07 2016 17:15 Elentos wrote: Nerchio said Maru's overrated and not really that great. I'm gonna hold him to that. wtf? Maru is easily top 5 or better. What does that make Nerchio then? Even worse than overrated and not really that great? Well eager to see your performance at Blizzcon Nerchio lol. And yes a player of Nerchios calibre is surely a lot more deserving of playing there than some scrub like Maru, right? | ||
Poopi
France12973 Posts
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Elentos
55585 Posts
On September 07 2016 19:21 Poopi wrote: Okay so is it possible for ByuN to lose his Blizzcon spot? If sOs wins GSL, ByuN doesn't win the cross finals and doesn't qualify for KeSPA Cup (or qualifies but finishes below top 4), Dear qualifies for KeSPA Cup (or gets a better finish at KeSPA Cup than ByuN) and one of Classic/Patience reach the KeSPA Cup finals (or win the thing if he qualifies), ByuN is out. Soooooooooooooo... not that likely. On September 07 2016 18:21 Eiltonn wrote: wtf? Maru is easily top 5 or better. Nerchio said that after MyuNgSiK beat Maru in GSL, which raises the very valid point that outside of Proleague this year Maru has delivered virtually no evidence that what you say is true. That is why he won't be at Blizzcon. Top 5 player by skill or not, by individual success he's barely top 30. Unless for him Proleague >>>>>>> individual results this was kinda a wasted year for Maru. | ||
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Poopi
France12973 Posts
On September 07 2016 19:31 Elentos wrote: If sOs wins GSL, ByuN doesn't win the cross finals and doesn't qualify for KeSPA Cup, Dear qualifies for KeSPA Cup (or gets a better finish at KeSPA Cup than ByuN) and one of Classic/Patience reach the KeSPA Cup finals (or win if he qualifies), ByuN is out. Soooooooooooooo... not that likely. Nerchio said that after MyuNgSiK beat Maru in GSL, which raises the very valid point that outside of Proleague this year Maru has delivered virtually no evidence that what you say is true. Wait since when cross finals offer WCS points? sOs winning, ByuN qualifying for Kespa Cup but having a worse finish than Dear, and Classic/Patience reaching the finals of a ro16 tourney filled with foreigners, doesn't seem that unlikely unfortunately :/. Too many protosses, it'll be very hard. Can we even trust Nerchio if he didn't troll losing the ZvT he lost recently btw? :o | ||
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Elentos
55585 Posts
On September 07 2016 19:37 Poopi wrote: Wait since when cross finals offer WCS points? sOs winning, ByuN qualifying for Kespa Cup but having a worse finish than Dear, and Classic/Patience reaching the finals of a ro16 tourney filled with foreigners, doesn't seem that unlikely unfortunately :/. Too many protosses, it'll be very hard. Can we even trust Nerchio if he didn't troll losing the ZvT he lost recently btw? :o The winner of the cross finals gets 1000 points. That's why Stats is so far up in the rankings. | ||
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Poopi
France12973 Posts
How many foreigners will be able to qualify playing on KR server tho... Neeb is in KR already but will probably be invited among NA players. | ||
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Eiltonn
Germany307 Posts
On September 07 2016 19:38 Elentos wrote: The winner of the cross finals gets 1000 points. That's why Stats is so far up in the rankings. Honestly im not sure if this point awarding system makes sense. Cross finals will be played out by the 4 people who already earned most points in that season and then you add more points on top of the winner of GSL/SSL being directly qualified. Basically this makes the difference between getting 3rd/4th and 2nd pretty huge | ||
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Elentos
55585 Posts
On September 07 2016 19:42 Poopi wrote: Okay so ByuN winning but sOs qualifying by winning cross finals + kespa cup would be the result I'll be hoping for. How many foreigners will be able to qualify playing on KR server tho... Neeb is in KR already but will probably be invited among NA players. NA has its own qualifier he can play which shouldn't be much of an issue for him. And I don't think a foreigner makes it through the global qualifiers. There are so many strong Koreans who aren't qualified and most people would have to play them cross server on KR. I'm not even sure if Neeb will be back in Korea in time for the KR server qualifiers from the Copa event this weekend, but even he'd have a tough time getting through. The KR server qualifier brackets for this cup are gonna be abominations. Total deathbattles. | ||
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Poopi
France12973 Posts
Weird. Hopefully the KR qualifiers will be streamed, Liquipedia results won't be good enough for such Battle Royale. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 07 2016 19:52 Poopi wrote: Wow when it says "8 invited players", only the KR are invited and then the EU/NA players have to battle the top 16 WCS EU/NA or something to make it? Weird. Hopefully the KR qualifiers will be streamed, Liquipedia results won't be good enough for such Battle Royale. SpoTV's streaming KR qualifiers I wonder if they'll delay and try to stream all the qualifying matches | ||
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