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On September 07 2016 19:54 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 19:52 Poopi wrote:
Wow when it says "8 invited players", only the KR are invited and then the EU/NA players have to battle the top 16 WCS EU/NA or something to make it?
Weird.
Hopefully the KR qualifiers will be streamed, Liquipedia results won't be good enough for such Battle Royale. SpoTV's streaming KR qualifiers I wonder if they'll delay and try to stream all the qualifying matches
They didn't do that for the last KeSPA Cup qualifiers. I think they'll mostly focus on matches that they deem interesting and go into qualifying matches as they can. I wonder if they have the same issues getting the games they want as community casters do during big WCS qualifiers.
Of course, as always, refreshing qualifier brackets every 30 seconds is half the fun.
I have to say, KeSPA Cup 2 last year was one of my favorite tournaments in all of 2015, I hope this one will be great, too.
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On September 07 2016 17:56 Wrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 17:19 Olli wrote:On September 07 2016 17:03 Swisslink wrote:On September 07 2016 16:05 Olli wrote:On September 07 2016 13:50 lichter wrote:
The fact that there were no other Global events isn't Blizzard's fault. Tournament organizers just didn't want to organize them. And that's because Blizzard gave them absolutely zero incentive. Didn't Blizzard even pay the organizers to exclude Koreans? Meaning: If they organized a WCS Event, they got money, if they did a global event, they didn't? Yep, Global Events aren't supported by Blizzard. At least that's according to the WCS 2017 announcement. Wait what? What WCS 2017 announcements?
Yeah, typo, sorry. Meant 2016.
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Btw some people where walking about kespa cup being the last chance for drogo and so to get to blizzcon but it only gives points for the KOREAN WCS standings which are considered "Global", points for the foreign wcs rankings can only be obtained through region locked tourneys. Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure 
So if lets say uthermal somehow wins this he will still not go to blizzcon.
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On September 07 2016 22:42 IArako wrote:Btw some people where walking about kespa cup being the last chance for drogo and so to get to blizzcon but it only gives points for the KOREAN WCS standings which are considered "Global", points for the foreign wcs rankings can only be obtained through region locked tourneys. Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure So if lets say uthermal somehow wins this he will still not go to blizzcon.
Thats not true.
In global events both koreans and foreigners can get point for their respective WCS regions. Koreans get WCS korea points, foreigners get WCS Circuit points.
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This whole eco system around SC2 makes me sick. In my eyes its fucking ridiculous and dumb af. Like yes its a shame when there is not enough money in the foreign SC2 scene for the progamers to make a decent living off it. But no one is entitled to be living off of SC2. So if it doesnt work out for you, im sorry but to me the solution is not artificially pumping money in their scene while they dont really deserve it performance wise and thereby fucking up the Koreans who actually aint naturally better at SC2 they just train a lot more.
I dont know if you´re serious or trolling but I hope you realize that there would have been zero IEM´s and Dreamhacks this year if the old system where Koreans flew in and won was in place. Yes, zero. Like no major tournaments at all.
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On September 07 2016 23:30 Ograkk wrote:Show nested quote +This whole eco system around SC2 makes me sick. In my eyes its fucking ridiculous and dumb af. Like yes its a shame when there is not enough money in the foreign SC2 scene for the progamers to make a decent living off it. But no one is entitled to be living off of SC2. So if it doesnt work out for you, im sorry but to me the solution is not artificially pumping money in their scene while they dont really deserve it performance wise and thereby fucking up the Koreans who actually aint naturally better at SC2 they just train a lot more.
I dont know if you´re serious or trolling but I hope you realize that there would have been zero IEM´s and Dreamhacks this year if the old system where Koreans flew in and won was in place. Yes, zero. Like no major tournaments at all.
Pretty sure that is some bullshit right there, don't think IEM or Dreamhack cares which region the players came from who won their prize money...
Not like they are gonna shut down operations because Koreans can fly over, that makes very little sense to me. Now if it was because in the new system Blizzard pumped money into them, then sure that makes sense but to say if Koreans flew over DH and IEM wouldn't happen is speculative, stupid, bullshit.
To kick the dead horse here, the problem with the new system is it punishes an entire region just because the other regions couldn't get their shit together. That is just flat out wrong to do, not to mention cutting off the viewers who want to see the best possible games and don't give a shit about whether the guy we're watching is white or "relatable" from seeing the highest tier games unless we stay up to ungodly hours or watch crappy vods.
More on topic, the hype is real for this. might be the first tournament I actually watch fully this year!
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On September 07 2016 23:30 Ograkk wrote:Show nested quote +This whole eco system around SC2 makes me sick. In my eyes its fucking ridiculous and dumb af. Like yes its a shame when there is not enough money in the foreign SC2 scene for the progamers to make a decent living off it. But no one is entitled to be living off of SC2. So if it doesnt work out for you, im sorry but to me the solution is not artificially pumping money in their scene while they dont really deserve it performance wise and thereby fucking up the Koreans who actually aint naturally better at SC2 they just train a lot more.
I dont know if you´re serious or trolling but I hope you realize that there would have been zero IEM´s and Dreamhacks this year if the old system where Koreans flew in and won was in place. Yes, zero. Like no major tournaments at all.
Im not trolling and i dont know how you got that notion. I may be exaggerating and this is because this subject is really bugging me. I have no idea how you come to think that without the region lock there wouldnt be any events at all. You cannot deliver proof for such a statement and therefor its just speculative bullshit. Besides that i didnt watch IEM, Dreamhack etc this year since i wasnt interested in these. So from my limited perspective there were no such events this year.
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If you want to have more global events, then simply watch this tournament, hype it, get more people to watch it - its viewer success will be definitely taken into account when making further decisions.
I am not happy with the region lock either, but this year kinda proved the point Blizzard made at the beginning - right now, it's mainly just them who puts serious money on the line. Everyone was basically free to come and make non-locked events (the worst thing that could happen would be not giving WCS points) but almost noone did - and when HSC did it, they got no Koreans anyway, because there aren't now almost any easily available koreans during PL season.
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On September 07 2016 17:15 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2016 05:42 stardog wrote:On September 07 2016 05:39 Diabolique wrote:On September 07 2016 04:30 Phredxor wrote:On September 07 2016 01:55 Charoisaur wrote:
Great to see that foreigners will lose the illusion that they now can magically compete with koreans even before blizzcon.
Maybe we'll see nerchio losing 4:0 to hurricane and speed or something. Nerchio losing to KR Zergs would be amusing. It definitely would :-) Not really, his ZvZ is shit atm, everyone knows that. If anything, him loosing in ZvT would be telling something. Unless it's against Maru. Everyone can loose to Maru. Nerchio said Maru's overrated and not really that great. I'm gonna hold him to that.
Hahaha Nerchio is a great player, maye the best outside of Korea, but that's nonsense. Maru did better in proleague than anyone else (even Stats and herO tbh), and people say he did badly in the starleagues (which he did) but he did have the worst luck. I mean GSL S1 and SSL S2 he gets elimated by Zest, who at the time was invunerable to Terran. Other than that he's got taken out by Byul and Myunsgsik this year, which are both miles of any foreign players.
On topic though, yes Blizzard screwed over Koreans this year, they probably will next year unless they invest in some more KR tournaments. But this cup is something to hype over. The liquibets will be all over the shop with the foreigner fanboys coming in XD. Although if the foreigners can do well it increases the hype of Blizzcon a lot
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This is going to be a nice tournament, can't wait to watch.
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On September 08 2016 01:02 opisska wrote:
If you want to have more global events, then simply watch this tournament, hype it, get more people to watch it - its viewer success will be definitely taken into account when making further decisions.
I am not happy with the region lock either, but this year kinda proved the point Blizzard made at the beginning - right now, it's mainly just them who puts serious money on the line. Everyone was basically free to come and make non-locked events (the worst thing that could happen would be not giving WCS points) but almost noone did - and when HSC did it, they got no Koreans anyway, because there aren't now almost any easily available koreans during PL season.
You mean, except for China right? If only we could have had China sponsor more tournaments, we could have seen more Koreans.
That aside, I think the question is whether it is morally acceptable to do something morally unacceptable for the (potentially) greater good. Will region locking help or hurt foreigners in the long run or will it create more problems? How would the scene have done if there was limited/no region locking?
I think that when there was no region locking like in 2013/2014, foreigners definitely suffered.
Also, I really do hope that we can get some sick foreigners runs in this tournament (also I hope Zest can somehow get back in form).
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Does anyone else think they might go full 2015 SSL and put the non-Koreans against the best Koreans in their initial matches?
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I am just a stupid racist, but I want to see Nerchio getting destroyed by Maru and a few more cannon rushes from Zest!
Amen.
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Say what you want about Maru, but the kid, at his age, is one of the most consistent players the scene has ever seen. Few top finishes, sure. But so much consistency. He is the best proleague player for starcraft 2 and that helped Jinair win PL.
Nerchio? who?
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On September 08 2016 03:09 Diabolique wrote:
I am just a stupid racist, but I want to see Nerchio getting destroyed by Maru and a few more cannon rushes from Zest!
Amen.
I don't think you're a racist, you just hate Nerchio
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On September 08 2016 03:53 stardog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2016 03:09 Diabolique wrote:
I am just a stupid racist, but I want to see Nerchio getting destroyed by Maru and a few more cannon rushes from Zest!
Amen. I don't think you're a racist, you just hate Nerchio
Nerchio is his own race, racist
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We`ll see - maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe foreigners have improved their skills, just like uThermal said.
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On September 08 2016 04:12 Thouhastmail wrote:
We`ll see - maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe foreigners have improved their skills, just like uThermal said.
Improvement would mean they can consistently have good games against code A / low code S Koreans. Being matched against super-elite Koreans once in a blue moon won't tell much, although should be a lot of fun to watch.
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On September 08 2016 04:28 stardog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2016 04:12 Thouhastmail wrote:
We`ll see - maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe foreigners have improved their skills, just like uThermal said. Improvement would mean they can consistently have good games against code A / low code S Koreans. Being matched against super-elite Koreans once in a blue moon won't tell much, although should be a lot of fun to watch.
They already do that. Just look at foreigners in online cups like douyu cup, corsair cup, and the Olimoleague. There are Koreans in all of those cups, but there is no guarantee that they will win. As people have already pointed out, Neeb won an Olimoleague against high Code S level players.
Guru, Scarlett, Neeb, and Nerchio have consistently good games in online cups against not just Code A/Low Code S players but also fairly high level Code S players.
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