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On August 29 2016 08:42 sd_andeh wrote:
So yes, you could say that Koreans are punished by somewhat limiting their ability to compete in other tournaments, but I would say that this is a sort of necessary evil to raise the level of the foreign scene. Besides, it's not like GSL and SSL made their qualifiers online.
So I would ask you, how would you, as Blizzard, raise the foreign scene talent?
It doesnt raise foreign scene level, it gives foreigners a lot more money for their level.
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Wait. You were getting bodied by Korean players and couldn't even make it out of pools. They removed ALL Korean players from your tournament. Now you're winning.
How can you not see the correlation?
Wait so the foreign scene in it's entirety wasn't "trying hard" before the hard region lock? Man, that's such a disrespect to players who were competing at the highest level.
It's great that the foreign scene is seeing a resurgence but it is definitely at the expense of quality of play.
Blizzcon is going to be an absolute bloodbath unless Bliz decides to stack the bracket.
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I still don't understand why we couldn't simply region lock the old WCS system. That way we would still have foreigners and Koreans competing in Dreamhacks and IEMs
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On August 29 2016 10:42 sd_andeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 09:54 FrkFrJss wrote:On August 29 2016 08:42 sd_andeh wrote:
The racism towards Koreans only because they're better. Man up and practice more so you become a better player, don't look for charity from Blizzard.
I like uThermal and I think he's a very cool terran to watch, but what this entire thing is essentially a punishment towards Koreans for being too good at the game.
Imagine if foreigners were banned from competing in Korea because they were "too good". The whole "korean racism" would blow up completely. Koreans are not banned. They just have to reside in the appropriate region to compete in WCS. The problem with saying "just get better" it's like saying to an athlete "just get better." But the Koreans have a system in place where Koreans have the opportunity to join teams and benefit from infrastructure. Foreigners do not have this opportunity. Since 2012-2015, Koreans have dominated almost all tournaments because of their skill, hard work, and benefiting from the Korean infrastructure like coaches and teamhouses. Koreans have not won just because they work harder and have more skill, but because they have this third element. So because they have dominated, foreigners have not been able acquire as much prize as they might have if tournaments were region locked. And I think (though this could be wrong) that this has contributed to a decline in relative skill of foreigners to Koreans. Because they are beaten in the Ro16 and the Ro32, they can't really make much of a living without teams or sponsors. (And even then motivation can be a problem). So yes, you could say that Koreans are punished by somewhat limiting their ability to compete in other tournaments, but I would say that this is a sort of necessary evil to raise the level of the foreign scene. Besides, it's not like GSL and SSL made their qualifiers online. So I would ask you, how would you, as Blizzard, raise the foreign scene talent? Nobody has ever said that foreign teams are not allowed to get coaches/teamhouses. If you think about it, the conditions really are the same. There's absolutely nothing that Koreans do that foreigners can't do if they want to. Oh and about Koreans not being banned - if you live close to Korea you're still allowed to play. The region lock is only for koreans, which is plain stupid and quite racist. And when Koreans found a way to get around the system (by moving to EU/US) they made the restrictions even harder, forcing koreans out of the regions. Only a very select few are allowed to play outside of Korea which is just dumb. Think of it like this; a practice partner in Korea, or someone just outside the A-team so to speak, may be much better than most foreigners but has no opportunity to play in proleague and a part from that there's only GSL and SSL. Blizzard's restrictions effectively kills such players careers as there is no way for them to profit, even though they are extremely skilled at the game. Besides, I'm pretty sure most of us enjoyed the old IEMs / MLGs / Dreamhacks where loads of Koreans showed up and made for epic tournaments. Foreign tournaments right now are just meh, not really fun to watch, and is only basically charity to foreign players so they can make good money playing the game. I much prefered watching the Koreans and the occasional very skilled foreigner (NaNiwa, Stephano, Scarlett for example) actually beating the Koreans. That was some hyped shit. Foreign tournaments nowadays is just meh and hardly anyone watches them. The little king of the hill tournament that Totalbiscuit organized got way higher viewership than foreign WCS tournaments. Go figure.
The thing is those just outisde of A team Koreans have a house to live in and expenses taken care of by their teams. Foreign teams don't have that. Also, no, foreign teams can't really do that. The money isn't there and nor is the experience. Also, moving from one region of Korea to Seoul to live in a teamhouse is very different from moving from America to Germany or something like that. Also, those players are valued as practice partners and maybe even as snipe players in Proleague so they aren't gonna get dropped. Also, those players didn't go to foreign events to compete anyway because teams wouldn't send them so regionlocking had no effect on them.
I actually didn't like almost any IEMs/DHs last year. They were boring to me with players I didn't have any reason to care about. It's partially the fault of ESL for that, but, they also just aren't very well known in general in the West and we usually don't hear about them outside of tournaments. You also forget that for every super hyped match with Naniwa, Stephano, Scarlett, and Snute, there were a dozen where they were stomped 0-3 or 1-3 and had extremely boring matches. Sure they were more hyped, but they were also literally every month or so and everyone already knew the results and were just vainly hoping it would be different. When it was it was exciting for a little while then no one cared anymore.
Also, if you go look at Fuzic.nl, last year, DH and IEM were almost always the least viewed events. The only events that consistently had high viewership was WCS Premier league which was a foreign event.
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On August 29 2016 08:35 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 04:12 Parrek wrote:On August 29 2016 02:21 Fliparoni wrote:On August 29 2016 01:04 Brutaxilos wrote:On August 28 2016 17:34 dizzy101 wrote:
These absolutist, anti-foreigner arguments are so dumb. "I only want to see the best in the world, screw foreigners". As if these people watch every obscure Korean-vs-obscure Korean match. They don't.
Part of the reason the SC2 viewership deflated like a balloon in 2013-14 was that no-name Koreans with zero backstory came to dominate the tournament scene. Fly in, win, take money, go back... and the tournament has no story to tell because nobody's invested.
Also I will ask again. Who exactly are these obscure Koreans you speak of? At this point Korean players are much more well known than foreigner players. I can barely remember who Uthermal is, nor do I know anything about his personality or nationality. If anything, its faceless foreigners like Shadown and Cham who are taking money from Korean players with WCS. This so much. Uthermal who? Showtime? Besides a couple of big names like Scarlett and Stephano, etc, the majority of famous sc2 progamers that i know and follow are korean. Just because you don't know the foreign players doesn't mean no one does. Personally, I don't know much about herO or Hero or Parting and Classic or Dark and Rogue. I know the names, but not much else. I know more about Byun because he is the online hero who actually speaks some english and respects the top of the foreign scene. We also hear about him more outside of games like when he posted on a Koeran forum how he barely beat Snute and Nerchio makes him shake. I know about the foreign scene because they're on TL (getting a response from Nerchio or uThermal or Drogo in a live report thread is awesome), Twitter, Reddit, etc. and a bunch of them post plenty and smack talk, complain, compliment each other, help other players out (Harstem was on the Protoss help me thread), feel down and crushed, happy and excited, and any other emotion. It's not that Koreans don't feel any of that, of course they do, but we almost never hear about it. They're not posting in forums in any language, they're not on Twitter, they don't stream, and they largely just practice in the team house and disappear except for events. Almost no pro is actively on TL and since there is almost no stream anymore you can't really follow pros. Where do you see foreign pros happy or excited on TL? Maybe their twitter but most foreign winners don't show more emotions on the stream when winning than Koreans. Plus the only foreigner close to the likes of MC on stream was maybe Stephano ? Yet he didn't steal the show as much at all.
I never said they were all super active, but many of the top pros are fairly active on Twitter, and I see pros in threads on TL pretty often, especially Nerchio. We have puCK streaming and he's pretty cool, TLO streams a bunch and so does Demuslim. I don't know what tournaments you are watching, but I see a lot more celebration from foreigners than most Koreans did at events. Either way, it's still significantly more active than Korean pros who I hear nothing at all about. It makes me care a lot more about them because I hear them much more often and get different glimpses whereas with Koreans I hear nothing.
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On August 29 2016 12:31 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:35 Poopi wrote:On August 29 2016 04:12 Parrek wrote:On August 29 2016 02:21 Fliparoni wrote:On August 29 2016 01:04 Brutaxilos wrote:On August 28 2016 17:34 dizzy101 wrote:
These absolutist, anti-foreigner arguments are so dumb. "I only want to see the best in the world, screw foreigners". As if these people watch every obscure Korean-vs-obscure Korean match. They don't.
Part of the reason the SC2 viewership deflated like a balloon in 2013-14 was that no-name Koreans with zero backstory came to dominate the tournament scene. Fly in, win, take money, go back... and the tournament has no story to tell because nobody's invested.
Also I will ask again. Who exactly are these obscure Koreans you speak of? At this point Korean players are much more well known than foreigner players. I can barely remember who Uthermal is, nor do I know anything about his personality or nationality. If anything, its faceless foreigners like Shadown and Cham who are taking money from Korean players with WCS. This so much. Uthermal who? Showtime? Besides a couple of big names like Scarlett and Stephano, etc, the majority of famous sc2 progamers that i know and follow are korean. Just because you don't know the foreign players doesn't mean no one does. Personally, I don't know much about herO or Hero or Parting and Classic or Dark and Rogue. I know the names, but not much else. I know more about Byun because he is the online hero who actually speaks some english and respects the top of the foreign scene. We also hear about him more outside of games like when he posted on a Koeran forum how he barely beat Snute and Nerchio makes him shake. I know about the foreign scene because they're on TL (getting a response from Nerchio or uThermal or Drogo in a live report thread is awesome), Twitter, Reddit, etc. and a bunch of them post plenty and smack talk, complain, compliment each other, help other players out (Harstem was on the Protoss help me thread), feel down and crushed, happy and excited, and any other emotion. It's not that Koreans don't feel any of that, of course they do, but we almost never hear about it. They're not posting in forums in any language, they're not on Twitter, they don't stream, and they largely just practice in the team house and disappear except for events. Almost no pro is actively on TL and since there is almost no stream anymore you can't really follow pros. Where do you see foreign pros happy or excited on TL? Maybe their twitter but most foreign winners don't show more emotions on the stream when winning than Koreans. Plus the only foreigner close to the likes of MC on stream was maybe Stephano ? Yet he didn't steal the show as much at all. I never said they were all super active, but many of the top pros are fairly active on Twitter, and I see pros in threads on TL pretty often, especially Nerchio. We have puCK streaming and he's pretty cool, TLO streams a bunch and so does Demuslim. I don't know what tournaments you are watching, but I see a lot more celebration from foreigners than most Koreans did at events. Either way, it's still significantly more active than Korean pros who I hear nothing at all about. It makes me care a lot more about them because I hear them much more often and get different glimpses whereas with Koreans I hear nothing.
The culture is of course different, but Koreans are quite active on Korean forums. Their limited english makes it hard for them to be really active on TL or places like that.
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On August 29 2016 10:42 sd_andeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 09:54 FrkFrJss wrote:On August 29 2016 08:42 sd_andeh wrote:
The racism towards Koreans only because they're better. Man up and practice more so you become a better player, don't look for charity from Blizzard.
I like uThermal and I think he's a very cool terran to watch, but what this entire thing is essentially a punishment towards Koreans for being too good at the game.
Imagine if foreigners were banned from competing in Korea because they were "too good". The whole "korean racism" would blow up completely. Koreans are not banned. They just have to reside in the appropriate region to compete in WCS. The problem with saying "just get better" it's like saying to an athlete "just get better." But the Koreans have a system in place where Koreans have the opportunity to join teams and benefit from infrastructure. Foreigners do not have this opportunity. Since 2012-2015, Koreans have dominated almost all tournaments because of their skill, hard work, and benefiting from the Korean infrastructure like coaches and teamhouses. Koreans have not won just because they work harder and have more skill, but because they have this third element. So because they have dominated, foreigners have not been able acquire as much prize as they might have if tournaments were region locked. And I think (though this could be wrong) that this has contributed to a decline in relative skill of foreigners to Koreans. Because they are beaten in the Ro16 and the Ro32, they can't really make much of a living without teams or sponsors. (And even then motivation can be a problem). So yes, you could say that Koreans are punished by somewhat limiting their ability to compete in other tournaments, but I would say that this is a sort of necessary evil to raise the level of the foreign scene. Besides, it's not like GSL and SSL made their qualifiers online. So I would ask you, how would you, as Blizzard, raise the foreign scene talent? Nobody has ever said that foreign teams are not allowed to get coaches/teamhouses. If you think about it, the conditions really are the same. There's absolutely nothing that Koreans do that foreigners can't do if they want to. Oh and about Koreans not being banned - if you live close to Korea you're still allowed to play. The region lock is only for koreans, which is plain stupid and quite racist. And when Koreans found a way to get around the system (by moving to EU/US) they made the restrictions even harder, forcing koreans out of the regions. Only a very select few are allowed to play outside of Korea which is just dumb. Think of it like this; a practice partner in Korea, or someone just outside the A-team so to speak, may be much better than most foreigners but has no opportunity to play in proleague and a part from that there's only GSL and SSL. Blizzard's restrictions effectively kills such players careers as there is no way for them to profit, even though they are extremely skilled at the game.
I'll admit that it's not the greatest decision to region lock only Koreans.
However, what Korean ever did well last year that did not already do well in individual leagues or at least in proleague?
For the most part, the only Koreans in 2014-2015 who did "better than most foreigners" (so like top 8/16ish) were Koreans who already did well in proleague and GSL/SSL.
So the romanticizing of the Korean practice partner who can't quite make it in Proleague or the other leagues would do well outside of Korea is not really true because when they had the opportunity to do so, they did very poorly. Yes there are some who have had resurgence in 2016, like speed, but he is among the few.
They had to go through the Korean qualifiers or be invited. And really, only the more established Koreans made it through the qualifiers or were invited.
I point toward the douyu, corsair, Olimoleague, and leifeng mini-tournaments to show how well the unknown Koreans fare. I've looked through s number of brackets on liquipedia, and they do very poorly even against foreigners.
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Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one.
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I don't get this need for fans to 'hang out with the stars' to be able to connect to and enjoy watching SC2 - or any sport for that matter.
True, I am entertained by off-field antics (press conferences, trash talk, interviews, etc.). But even if you take them away, I would still continue watching the sport. I watch football for what happens on the pitch, not what happens in the private lives and homes of Messi and Ronaldo.
So weird. Some fanboys seem drawn to SC2 the same way as girls are drawn to 'Keeping Up With The Kardashians' - for the drama. In fact, the way they are drawn towards personalities instead of the actual game also reminds me of my girl friends who got into football because of the David Beckhams (and whose interest gradually dropped off once their favourite player retired and their favourite player's former club/country underperformed)...
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Well, I bet laconic Maru would got more fans than a random progamer with garrulous mouth.
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On August 29 2016 11:41 kaykoose wrote:
I still don't understand why we couldn't simply region lock the old WCS system. That way we would still have foreigners and Koreans competing in Dreamhacks and IEMs
I'm guessing it might be a mix of money problems with ESL no longer wanting to run the regular league and/or the IEMs and Dreamhacks wanting a reason to region-lock themselves to draw in more viewers with more non-Korean players. It was probably cheapest to integrate the WCS system into existing tournaments instead of having it as a separate league. There's also a clip of Carmac expressing a lot of regret about Koreans getting unleashed onto the global scene so much and so early.
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On August 29 2016 13:54 ROOTFayth wrote:
Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one.
Speaking oral English is a completely different beast than typing for non native speaker.
Unless you live in Asian countries that use English heavily like Singapore, most others even Hong Kong will be pretty reluctant to speak English.
And I don't see why it matters.
Just learn to get over language barrier if you are a fan/ you like his style.
I don't see Korean or Japanese pop star needing to speak English or Chinese when they come to concerts here (other than one or two sentences I guess)
Most of the time I don't even know what the song lyrics is about, but that doesn't stop me enjoying their songs.
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On August 29 2016 11:41 kaykoose wrote:
I still don't understand why we couldn't simply region lock the old WCS system. That way we would still have foreigners and Koreans competing in Dreamhacks and IEMs
Pretty sure it's because IEM and DH didn't want to keep doing it as it was before.
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On August 29 2016 15:04 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 13:54 ROOTFayth wrote:
Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one. Speaking oral English is a completely different beast than typing for non native speaker. Unless you live in Asian countries that use English heavily like Singapore, most others even Hong Kong will be pretty reluctant to speak English. And I don't see why it matters. Just learn to get over language barrier if you are a fan/ you like his style. I don't see Korean or Japanese pop star needing to speak English or Chinese when they come to concerts here (other than one or two sentences I guess) Most of the time I don't even know what the song lyrics is about, but that doesn't stop me enjoying their songs.
Yes, music is such a good analogy! In such concerts, sometimes the pop stars will just say one or two words in the language of the country they're visiting (like "Hello, Manila!"), and that's enough to send their fans wild. Yes, as fans, it's always a dream to connect to our idols on a personal level (I would be so happy if I could chat with Messi or SNSD), but we are realistic and don't expect them to hang out with us. In fact, we understand their need to spend more time practising in the studio and the football pitch. And if an idol don't feel comfortable engaging with fans too much, that's fine. As long as they keep producing good music and performance on the pitch, we're happy.
I totally understand liking a celebrity over another because the former is more engaging. That's why Taylor Swift has so many fans. But to tune off and shun a particular musician just because he or she doesn't reply your tweets and fan mails? That's just silly. It's like travelling to watch the World Cup at the host city, and then choosing not to watch the finals just because your favourite team got knocked out early. That's just silly. It's fine if you prefer to root for foreigners because they're more personable and engaging. But to not watch a SC2 tourney altogether just because Koreans are playing? That's just silly.
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On August 29 2016 15:32 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:04 ETisME wrote:On August 29 2016 13:54 ROOTFayth wrote:
Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one. Speaking oral English is a completely different beast than typing for non native speaker. Unless you live in Asian countries that use English heavily like Singapore, most others even Hong Kong will be pretty reluctant to speak English. And I don't see why it matters. Just learn to get over language barrier if you are a fan/ you like his style. I don't see Korean or Japanese pop star needing to speak English or Chinese when they come to concerts here (other than one or two sentences I guess) Most of the time I don't even know what the song lyrics is about, but that doesn't stop me enjoying their songs. Yes, as fans, it's always a dream to connect to our idols on a personal level (I would be so happy if I could chat with Messi or SNSD),
Sounds a bit weird to me
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On August 29 2016 15:37 Thouhastmail wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:32 RKC wrote:On August 29 2016 15:04 ETisME wrote:On August 29 2016 13:54 ROOTFayth wrote:
Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one. Speaking oral English is a completely different beast than typing for non native speaker. Unless you live in Asian countries that use English heavily like Singapore, most others even Hong Kong will be pretty reluctant to speak English. And I don't see why it matters. Just learn to get over language barrier if you are a fan/ you like his style. I don't see Korean or Japanese pop star needing to speak English or Chinese when they come to concerts here (other than one or two sentences I guess) Most of the time I don't even know what the song lyrics is about, but that doesn't stop me enjoying their songs. Yes, as fans, it's always a dream to connect to our idols on a personal level (I would be so happy if I could chat with Messi or SNSD), Sounds a bit weird to me
Why so weird? You don't want to have a lunch chat with your idol, if given a chance? Obama? Flash? Anyone?
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On August 29 2016 15:45 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:37 Thouhastmail wrote:On August 29 2016 15:32 RKC wrote:On August 29 2016 15:04 ETisME wrote:On August 29 2016 13:54 ROOTFayth wrote:
Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one. Speaking oral English is a completely different beast than typing for non native speaker. Unless you live in Asian countries that use English heavily like Singapore, most others even Hong Kong will be pretty reluctant to speak English. And I don't see why it matters. Just learn to get over language barrier if you are a fan/ you like his style. I don't see Korean or Japanese pop star needing to speak English or Chinese when they come to concerts here (other than one or two sentences I guess) Most of the time I don't even know what the song lyrics is about, but that doesn't stop me enjoying their songs. Yes, as fans, it's always a dream to connect to our idols on a personal level (I would be so happy if I could chat with Messi or SNSD), Sounds a bit weird to me Why so weird? You don't want to have a lunch chat with your idol, if given a chance? Obama? Flash? Anyone?
If many/everyone has this opportunity, the idols are not special anymore.
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On August 29 2016 15:48 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:45 RKC wrote:On August 29 2016 15:37 Thouhastmail wrote:On August 29 2016 15:32 RKC wrote:On August 29 2016 15:04 ETisME wrote:On August 29 2016 13:54 ROOTFayth wrote:
Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one. Speaking oral English is a completely different beast than typing for non native speaker. Unless you live in Asian countries that use English heavily like Singapore, most others even Hong Kong will be pretty reluctant to speak English. And I don't see why it matters. Just learn to get over language barrier if you are a fan/ you like his style. I don't see Korean or Japanese pop star needing to speak English or Chinese when they come to concerts here (other than one or two sentences I guess) Most of the time I don't even know what the song lyrics is about, but that doesn't stop me enjoying their songs. Yes, as fans, it's always a dream to connect to our idols on a personal level (I would be so happy if I could chat with Messi or SNSD), Sounds a bit weird to me Why so weird? You don't want to have a lunch chat with your idol, if given a chance? Obama? Flash? Anyone? If many/everyone has this opportunity, the idols are not special anymore.
Yeah, hence why most fans (secretly) dream to be the lucky one-in-a-million fan to get this opportunity 
Anyway, the point is, it's normal for fans to want to get to know their idols better, directly or indirectly. Of course, there are some fans who don't.
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On August 29 2016 13:54 ROOTFayth wrote:
Why is it that most koreans don't learn english though, this always confused me, do they exclusively hang out on korean websites? We've got people on here that speak spanish, french, german, swedish etc. etc. and everybody speaks a pretty decent english, it would be so much easier for us foreigners to root for them if they could communicate with us without a translator... proof of this is that we actually root for players like Hydra, Polt, Violet etc. and It's only because they went out of their way to be part of the entire community, the worldwide one.
I could care less if Koreans spoke English or not. I don't need to understand their language, I just want a good caster on their games.
I don't care about interviews, period. I skip them over in the VODs, do something else during live streams.
You seem to think that going from a Latin or Germanic language to English is comparable to going from an Asian language to English. It's not.
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