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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
from a perspective of a guy who played a lot of and tried to be competitive i can understand uthermals points - at least i think i know where he is coming from. from a perspective of a guy who wants to watch good games uthermals points are not good. as always - at least 2 sides of a coin etc | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On August 27 2016 16:10 Strelok wrote: Take 2 people of same talents, motivation and skill. Let one of them team himself. Give other experienced teachers and several teammates of approximately his level. No matter - what we are talking about - starcraft, table tenis or material arts. The first person has no chances. So why many people think - that korean players deserve to be better, then non-koreans just because "they practise harder"? Clearly the solution to this is to ban this one most developed country from competing with others. What a brilliant idea. Why not implement justice even further? Let's look into korean team houses, compare the conditions they offer. Obviously Prime (where Gerrard used to sell players' PCs or whatever) couldn't compete with SKT, the most wealthy team there ever was, they couldn't afford the same quality coaches, practice environment and bla bla bla. Should've banned SKT from Proleague as well. How far shall we go? I don't have a slightest respect for Idra as a person, but as a player he didn't just bitch around, he simply went to South Korea and squeezed himself in a top tier team. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
I especially liked the swag_bro troll guy. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
- Bad in practice? Wash the dishes. - B-class player? Be a training dummy for S-class players. - Not good enough? No Proleague for you. - Need time to prepare for individual tourneys? Sorry, no can do, your focus is to be a training dummy, team above self - Want to party? Sorry, no can do, stay home and practice. Is that the best training regime SC2? Maybe not. But it has been proven to work. Restricting top pros from international competitions and distributing more prize money to 'less privileged minorities' over the 'privileged pros'? I haven't seen that model worked, anywhere in sports. How to improve the foreigner scene? Invest in infrastructure. Set up team houses. Fly over some Korean pros. That sort of thing. Not simply throw prize money and region lock. How did Iceland beat England in the Euros to reach the quarter-finals? Here's how. It takes time. It takes patience. But how many pros have the time and patience? | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 27 2016 16:47 RKC wrote: Non-Korean pros might wish to ask themselves this honestly - if given the chance to train full-time in a Korean team-house, would they be able to cope with it? - Bad in practice? Wash the dishes. - B-class player? Be a training dummy for S-class players. - Not good enough? No Proleague for you. - Need time to prepare for individual tourneys? Sorry, no can do, your focus is to be a training dummy, team above self - Want to party? Sorry, no can do, stay home and practice. Is that the best training regime SC2? Maybe not. But it has been proven to work. Restricting top pros from international competitions and distributing more prize money to 'less privileged minorities' over the 'privileged pros'? I haven't seen that model worked, anywhere in sports. How to improve the foreigner scene? Invest in infrastructure. Set up team houses. Fly over some Korean pros. That sort of thing. Not simply throw prize money and region lock. How did Iceland beat England in the Euros to reach the quarter-finals? Here's how. It takes time. It takes patience. But how many pros have the time and patience? It's easy to point fingers and cry about what others have and you don't if you never stop to consider the drawbacks associated with those things. Old BW fans should remember that Kespa training regimen is so strict and brutal we literally used to compare it to child labour. Is it the best? No, but that's what you're pointing your finger at when you cry. Not everyone can handle it. Great post RKC, hit the nail on the head. | ||
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buchh
38 Posts
RESPECT HARSTEM !!!! | ||
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[16thSq] Kuro
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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Parser
Italy87 Posts
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MLuneth
Australia557 Posts
On August 27 2016 16:10 RKC wrote: Sigh. Yet another evidence of 'entitlement'. I'm honestly disappointed by the amount of shit posting that foreigner pros get away on TL. Results or no results, there is no excuse of being a dick. Only Snute and Scarlett (off the top of my head) seem to engage constructively, discussing the game whilst throwing in the occasional humour. Maybe they're just putting on a badass persona on purpose, following the footsteps of Stephano and Naniwa. That may have worked in the past. But sorry, that's not the way of a true sporting professional. Look at football and tennis, look at Messi and Federer. Yes, there is the occasional bad boy getting results and making big money, but they are the exception rather than the norm. Especially in the age of sponsorship and endorsement, there is even a greater need for sportsmen to polish their professionalism, commercially speaking. Look at the meltdown of Lochte at the Olympics right now. Look at Nick Krygios' talent going down the drain with his bad behaviour and 'motivational issues'. It's a shame that Korean pros get slammed and ridiculed for being 'emotionless robots'. It's called professionalism. It's called respect. It's called sportsmanship. There's a pretty good example of uThermal engaging constructively at the start of the thread | ||
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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
On August 27 2016 16:47 RKC wrote: Restricting top pros from international competitions and distributing more prize money to 'less privileged minorities' over the 'privileged pros'? I haven't seen that model worked, anywhere in sports. Have you ever watched olympic games? Every country can have limited number of representatives. Sometimes the number limits to one. The country can have three best sportmen in world, but only one will compete. If you like football - you can probably know, that the number of smaller countries have rule that from eleven people on the field - at least four or five have to represent their own country. On August 27 2016 16:47 RKC wrote: How to improve the foreigner scene? Invest in infrastructure. Set up team houses. Fly over some Korean pros. That sort of thing. Not simply throw prize money and region lock. Who should pay for that? Can you even imagine how much money does it cost? How do you plan to return money? On August 27 2016 16:47 RKC wrote: How did Iceland beat England in the Euros to reach the quarter-finals? Here's how. It takes time. It takes patience. But how many pros have the time and patience? Did Iceland players train by theirself, selected strategy, made substitutes? No, they were leaded by very powerfull specialist from Sweden with a lot of experience. Are Iceland players amateurs? No, they are pros, just less qualified, payed less, play in not-so-known-teams. So why do you compare uncomparable things? | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1965 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On August 27 2016 05:57 uThermal wrote: 3 maps in atleast 12 bo5s sounds pretty doable  Well, good luck, I sure hope I'm wrong (: | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
I only hope, Blizzard is a solid, professional company, where somebody has to be responsible for every failure. And having ZERO Global Events since the announcement of the new system till the next BlizzCon cannot be considered as anything else but a failure. Sorry Kim Phan. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 27 2016 17:54 Strelok wrote: Have you ever watched olympic games? Every country can have limited number of representatives. Sometimes the number limits to one. The country can have three best sportmen in world, but only one will compete. If you like football - you can probably know, that the number of smaller countries have rule that from eleven people on the field - at least four or five have to represent their own country. Who should pay for that? Can you even imagine how much money does it cost? How do you plan to return money? Did Iceland players train by theirself, selected strategy, made substitutes? No, they were leaded by very powerfull specialist from Sweden with a lot of experience. Are Iceland players amateurs? No, they are pros, just less qualified, payed less, play in not-so-known-teams. So why do you compare uncomparable things? How did Korean BW and SC2 players reached to such high levels? Through an infrastructure built over many years, through their own sweat, blood and money. How did Iceland beat England in Euros? Through an infrastructure built over many years - through their own sweat, blood and money. No one is denying that foreigners have an uphill battle to catch up with SC2 Koreans, due to the lack of infrastructure. But if you want to reach to the peak, then start climbing yourself, and not pull down the mountain to your level or expect Blizzard to give you a helicopter and drop you off the peak. Don't want to make the long climb? Then find another easier mountain to scale, or a mountain which no one else has a head start. There are so many mountains out there to choose from. It's not like you were born and forced to play SC2, and nothing else. It's not like you're lacking better options. You can't expect every option in life to be easy and accessible. As a child, I wanted to be an astronaut, but where I come from there is little infrastructure that allows me to study and pursue it as a career. So I pursued something else. Life is unfair. Deal with it. Sheesh. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 27 2016 17:11 207aicila wrote: It's easy to point fingers and cry about what others have and you don't if you never stop to consider the drawbacks associated with those things. Old BW fans should remember that Kespa training regimen is so strict and brutal we literally used to compare it to child labour. Is it the best? No, but that's what you're pointing your finger at when you cry. Not everyone can handle it. Great post RKC, hit the nail on the head. Thanks. Players like Zest had to slog through years of mediocrity under the shadow of Flash. Even in team-house, everyone starts at the bottom. Did Zest go up to the coach and say "Hey, Flash has so much experience and advantage, let him play blind-folded with the rest of us to decide who becomes ace in Proleague!"? Of course not! Everyone, everywhere, has to fight against stacked odds. No competition ever starts with everyone on a level playing field. That's the nature of competitive sports. Work your way from the bottom, to reach the top. Someone mentioned about Idra going to Korea to train. That's what foreigners can do to play catch up. But it's a big price to pay that many will not dare to. | ||
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Liox
Germany47 Posts
Personally, I am glad that more foreign progamers now get the money to not worry about the next rent but instead focus on their practice. I believe that your life needs to be sorted and balanced to perform well. Otherwise you just burn out really fast or run into a slump. And that can be, to some extend, the difference between korean infrastructure and the foreigner world. Yes, you need to put in effort and dedication and "passion" and you need to practice a lot (that is what you are getting paid for) but somehow some way people expect all progamers to be machines which are different just in how much they want to produce per day which is quite horrible. I seriously question the judgement of some people here and especially the way they do their work. Take a mirror, look at yourself and then judge about guys who are just coming out of their teens. They don't have a boss that tells them to come to office every morning or something, they need the motivation and dedication to get up and follow their dreams which most people in this thread are not capable of even if someone would give them a detailed list with the steps to take. The world is a terrible place with guys like you hanging around. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On August 27 2016 18:32 RKC wrote: Thanks. Players like Zest had to slog through years of mediocrity under the shadow of Flash. Even in team-house, everyone starts at the bottom. Did Zest go up to the coach and say "Hey, Flash has so much experience and advantage, let him play blind-folded with the rest of us to decide who becomes ace in Proleague!"? Of course not! Everyone, everywhere, has to fight against stacked odds. No competition ever starts with everyone on a level playing field. That's the nature of competitive sports. Work your way from the bottom, to reach the top. Someone mentioned about Idra going to Korea to train. That's what foreigners can do to play catch up. But it's a big price to pay that many will not dare to. You really can't compare how a player growths in a KeSPA team to somebody from the west. | ||
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gab12
Poland147 Posts
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