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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7028 Posts
August 16 2016 18:59 GMT
#581
No one is increasing their investment in the genre and many continue to pull back their investment.

But that's also because SC2 has a stranglehold on the genre. Developers are afraid to compete with Blizzard, for instance virtually all of the MMO's that tried to compete with World of Warcraft miserably failed. Why should you create a competitor to Starcraft? Starcraft 2 has the name recognition, the established professional scene and over a decade of development. It is difficult to compete with Blizzard's resources, even if the game is technically underwhelming.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 16 2016 19:02 GMT
#582
I don't like the cyclone change. Blizzard wants it to "defend additional bases or to keep the opponent contained". I think spider mines will do exactly that with much better interactions and a much higher skill ceiling than simply having a unit that kills everything armored.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 19:09:14
August 16 2016 19:05 GMT
#583
RTS GAMES DIE BECAUSE NO GOOD RTS GAMES ARE MADE, AND NOT BECAUSE THEY CANT SELL. THE REASON IS THAT THEY DONT INVEST INTO IT BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE A GOOD RTS TO BEGIN WITH.

It was a long time ago BROODWAR was made.
And that game TO has many flaws.

If a company
1) Knew what made a great RTS
2) Had the resources
3) Had the right staff

It would sell TONS and become the greatest esport game ever made.
nichan
Profile Joined December 2010
United States158 Posts
August 16 2016 19:06 GMT
#584
How do I play the test map?
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
August 16 2016 19:09 GMT
#585
Would also like to know if the testmap comes to EU and with a ladder. Perhaps i would play then.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 19:12:04
August 16 2016 19:11 GMT
#586
Blizzard and DK are doing a great job.

They are doing such a great job that they need to redesign lots of stuff in the middle of an expansion. Really great job right there.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
August 16 2016 19:11 GMT
#587
[image loading]

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/20241475/major-balance-changes-test-map-now-available-8-16-2016
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 19:12:00
August 16 2016 19:11 GMT
#588
I cannot find any post saying the test map is out.

They did say that the test map will have match making.

-edit well lol xD
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 19:18:25
August 16 2016 19:16 GMT
#589
If it would be possible for the discussion of the death, or not, of the RTS genre to go somewhere else and for this thread to stay about the design changes specifically that would be great.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Jaedrik
Profile Joined June 2015
113 Posts
August 16 2016 19:29 GMT
#590
Cool.
However, for me to buy the game they'd have to get rid of the macro "mechanics" (properly called boosters) like mule, spawn larva, and chrono boost, and rebalance as necessary around that.
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 19:45:42
August 16 2016 19:44 GMT
#591
The new cyclones kills stuff ridiculously fast :D
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
spown
Profile Joined October 2015
38 Posts
August 16 2016 19:56 GMT
#592
holy shit cyclones are so much fun
Slayers_MMA is my hero
coolmiyo
Profile Joined February 2016
51 Posts
August 16 2016 19:57 GMT
#593
lol cyclones just tested it
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1889 Posts
August 16 2016 20:13 GMT
#594
On August 17 2016 04:11 Foxxan wrote:
Show nested quote +
Blizzard and DK are doing a great job.

They are doing such a great job that they need to redesign lots of stuff in the middle of an expansion. Really great job right there.


Touché, I guess :D
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 20:16:00
August 16 2016 20:15 GMT
#595
On August 17 2016 03:59 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
No one is increasing their investment in the genre and many continue to pull back their investment.

But that's also because SC2 has a stranglehold on the genre. Developers are afraid to compete with Blizzard, for instance virtually all of the MMO's that tried to compete with World of Warcraft miserably failed. Why should you create a competitor to Starcraft? Starcraft 2 has the name recognition, the established professional scene and over a decade of development. It is difficult to compete with Blizzard's resources, even if the game is technically underwhelming.


ya, no one made any MMO's after WoW... because they all said..
"hey guys... let billionaire mike keep it all.. we can't compete with him"
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 16 2016 20:17 GMT
#596
Can we just stop beating RTS genre dead horse? -_-
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 16 2016 20:29 GMT
#597
You mean jimmyjraynor's dead horse? He's only been proclaiming the death of rts genre for years in every vaguely related thread he can find.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 20:53:58
August 16 2016 20:33 GMT
#598
if someone is going to overgeneralize that blizz and DK have ruined SC2 i'm going to put their view within the context of the entire industry.

no, it is declining it won't die. there are still new dot-eating-maze games being made even though it peaked 35 years ago. RTS will continue it won't die.
i've basically made all my points though. i've been happy with SC2 for years even as the community shrinks i still have lots of people i can play against.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
nichan
Profile Joined December 2010
United States158 Posts
August 16 2016 20:50 GMT
#599
Cant chronoboost the Dt's blink research don't know it this is a glitch, and the tempest ablility is nice but i just see units runing right throw it. Don't see that much use for blink dt the prism would do a better job and sets you up with robo tech for a bit more.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9362 Posts
August 16 2016 20:50 GMT
#600
Well as long as companies will continue to make slow motion and microless RTS games, Starcraft will continue to be the best RTS.
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