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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 15 2016 05:02 Agh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2016 18:56 JackONeill wrote:
Young or not, Life's illegal actions were especially unforgivable because he did it while still at the top. I mean I can understand that Yoda would do such a thing because he wasn't performing anymore. When you're a professional player and you're on the down slope, I can understand (not approuve, but understand) that you'd do this kind of stuff.
But life was still a very, very good player, probably top 5-10 Z in the world.
I'm glad he gets fully and extensively punished by the righteous arm of korean justice. You're failing to take into account that a lot of the top players do not enjoy playing the game, and only do so because they are good at it.
I think this explanation is unsatisfying. They don't "only" play the game because they're good at it - it's definitely much more than that. The fact that many players literally grew up playing Starcraft and know no career but their Starcraft-playing ones is, I think, much more significant. It's different from a traditional working career for numerous reasons (largely the same as for all athletes), but the safety net is much less significant. It's more difficult to transition to a different job from streaming and playing professional Starcraft than it is for, say, a professional soccer player to do the same. And even then it is difficult.
Regardless, though, I think the implication that "a lot" of top players don't enjoy the game is incredibly hyperbolic. They might not ravenously love it like they did however many years ago, but it would be absurd to think they hate what they do.
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Canada8989 Posts
On July 15 2016 03:38 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2016 22:29 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2016 20:36 Makro wrote:On July 14 2016 15:21 sc2randomize wrote:
Dang. Does anyone know how Korea treats people with criminal records? I know in the US he'd basically be f***ed for life (no pun intended) after getting a criminal record: automatic rejection by most universities, no decent career prospects, etc. that's almost the same case everywhere, i think life's life is now done Lets not get over dramatic, it is just one crime and a relatively minor one, I am guessing he still got a very healty bank acount for his age. He won't do prison it is just a fine Most university are still going to accept him, the best one may not but the public one will at least look at it and in programs that don't make cut at the entrance, most of humam science, comunication, art and some administration programs he should be able to enter. He was not guilty of gun possession, rape or murder it was just illegal gambling. Finding a good job is going to be a lot harder but it is very much douable, the offense is not that bad and he can always try to defends himself in interview blaming it on his age or the pression from the mob. His life is not over at, he made it a lot more difficult that it needed to be but all and all a criminal record vs a 200k+ bank acount for a 18 years old his not that bad. I would be a lot more worry for b4 or Enough. You're making it sound like Life has more money then he may actually have. If the gambling rumors are true, Life has already pissed away most of his legitimate earnings and that's why he agreed to match-fix in the first place, he needed more cash to either gamble more, or pay off previous gambling debts.
Wow, realy ok then I guess he is pretty fuck if he is already out of money.
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On July 14 2016 18:56 JackONeill wrote:
Young or not, Life's illegal actions were especially unforgivable because he did it while still at the top. I mean I can understand that Yoda would do such a thing because he wasn't performing anymore. When you're a professional player and you're on the down slope, I can understand (not approuve, but understand) that you'd do this kind of stuff.
But life was still a very, very good player, probably top 5-10 Z in the world.
I'm glad he gets fully and extensively punished by the righteous arm of korean justice.
Probably top 10 zerg? That's an understatement.
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On July 15 2016 05:33 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2016 05:02 Agh wrote:On July 14 2016 18:56 JackONeill wrote:
Young or not, Life's illegal actions were especially unforgivable because he did it while still at the top. I mean I can understand that Yoda would do such a thing because he wasn't performing anymore. When you're a professional player and you're on the down slope, I can understand (not approuve, but understand) that you'd do this kind of stuff.
But life was still a very, very good player, probably top 5-10 Z in the world.
I'm glad he gets fully and extensively punished by the righteous arm of korean justice. You're failing to take into account that a lot of the top players do not enjoy playing the game, and only do so because they are good at it. I think this explanation is unsatisfying. They don't "only" play the game because they're good at it - it's definitely much more than that. The fact that many players literally grew up playing Starcraft and know no career but their Starcraft-playing ones is, I think, much more significant. It's different from a traditional working career for numerous reasons (largely the same as for all athletes), but the safety net is much less significant. It's more difficult to transition to a different job from streaming and playing professional Starcraft than it is for, say, a professional soccer player to do the same. And even then it is difficult. Regardless, though, I think the implication that "a lot" of top players don't enjoy the game is incredibly hyperbolic. They might not ravenously love it like they did however many years ago, but it would be absurd to think they hate what they do.
That was the best way to put it
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Good, hope he learns a lesson from all this.
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Damn, i just feel a pit in my stomach for this kid. Such a shame.
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On July 15 2016 03:38 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2016 22:29 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2016 20:36 Makro wrote:On July 14 2016 15:21 sc2randomize wrote:
Dang. Does anyone know how Korea treats people with criminal records? I know in the US he'd basically be f***ed for life (no pun intended) after getting a criminal record: automatic rejection by most universities, no decent career prospects, etc. that's almost the same case everywhere, i think life's life is now done Lets not get over dramatic, it is just one crime and a relatively minor one, I am guessing he still got a very healty bank acount for his age. He won't do prison it is just a fine Most university are still going to accept him, the best one may not but the public one will at least look at it and in programs that don't make cut at the entrance, most of humam science, comunication, art and some administration programs he should be able to enter. He was not guilty of gun possession, rape or murder it was just illegal gambling. Finding a good job is going to be a lot harder but it is very much douable, the offense is not that bad and he can always try to defends himself in interview blaming it on his age or the pression from the mob. His life is not over at, he made it a lot more difficult that it needed to be but all and all a criminal record vs a 200k+ bank acount for a 18 years old his not that bad. I would be a lot more worry for b4 or Enough. You're making it sound like Life has more money then he may actually have. If the gambling rumors are true, Life has already pissed away most of his legitimate earnings and that's why he agreed to match-fix in the first place, he needed more cash to either gamble more, or pay off previous gambling debts.
Other than the story of him hitting up the casinos in Europe, I haven't heard the rumors about him having a crippling gambling problem.
Which would be kind of hard to do since he's both underage and living in a country that prohibits gambling...
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On July 14 2016 18:56 JackONeill wrote:
Young or not, Life's illegal actions were especially unforgivable because he did it while still at the top. I mean I can understand that Yoda would do such a thing because he wasn't performing anymore. When you're a professional player and you're on the down slope, I can understand (not approuve, but understand) that you'd do this kind of stuff.
But life was still a very, very good player, probably top 5-10 Z in the world.
I'm glad he gets fully and extensively punished by the righteous arm of korean justice.
what?
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Thats like 60,000 dollars too! Youch.... hate it for him...
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On July 14 2016 14:35 riotjune wrote:
He's lucky he didn't get the death penalty considering the seriousness of his crimes.
This kind of dry as hell sarcasm I can truly appreciate 
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I just wish he could demand trial by starcraft combat, not because i think he shouldn't be punished, but simply because holy shit the hype would be ridiculous.
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On July 14 2016 13:33 Waxangel wrote:
The Changwon court upheld the original sentence of 18 months imprisonment suspended by three years, with a 70,000,000 won fine.
So it was KESPA that decided the lifetime ban? I wish we would get a statement from Life. At 19, I'm not letting him off for being young. The way I see it, once you get caught once, god knows how many times you broke the law. But if these rumors (?) of being in debt for gambling are true I could understand. Understand, not accept.
I still think the lifetime ban is too much purely because of his GOAT status. Even a 2 year ban may end his career forever. People will say, what about poor Yoda and BoongBoong? Well they never contributed as much to the scene as Life.
There was no other Zerg player in the history of the game with the same consistency and brilliance. Dark is good, but doesn't come close. I wonder if he still plays. When you've dedicated years of your life to something... well... old habits die hard. RIP Life.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50577 Posts
On July 15 2016 13:40 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2016 13:33 Waxangel wrote:
The Changwon court upheld the original sentence of 18 months imprisonment suspended by three years, with a 70,000,000 won fine.
So it was KESPA that decided the lifetime ban? I wish we would get a statement from Life. At 19, I'm not letting him off for being young. The way I see it, once you get caught once, god knows how many times you broke the law. But if these rumors (?) of being in debt for gambling are true I could understand. Understand, not accept. I still think the lifetime ban is too much purely because of his GOAT status. Even a 2 year ban may end his career forever. People will say, what about poor Yoda and BoongBoong? Well they never contributed as much to the scene as Life. There was no other Zerg player in the history of the game with the same consistency and brilliance. Dark is good, but doesn't come close. I wonder if he still plays. When you've dedicated years of your life to something... well... old habits die hard. RIP Life.
lifetime ban is justified, matchfixer's actions destabilized the scene, it'll be lucky if it even lasts another 2-3 years, and lets be honest here would there be any sponsors willing to back a tournament with known matchfixers? It would make anyone question the legitimacy of the tournament.
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On July 14 2016 14:46 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2016 14:42 XiZeL wrote:
and what happens to the people or entities that approached a minor to bribe him?
does no one see that the real problem here are the people taking advantage of minors.
hes just a kid, c'mon who as a kid would not accept a large amount of cash to throw a few games! Doesnt change he was not 14 but pretty close to being a legal adult so they figured he should have known better and the fact it was for the amount it was meant they couldn't just let it slide. If this happened to maru in open gsl season 2 i dont think he would have been treated as harshly but its life, now, at this point in his career. Can't let it go. He deserves every bit of it right now I just hope the rest of his life outside of progaming isn't hurt by this too much. He's still young and deserves a chance at a good life once all this is over.
yeah, i mean why would your life be hurt by this right? its just an 18 months prison sentence and a gigantic fine. who does not have 61000$ lying around and what potential boss cares about you being sentenced to prison?
wake up, the kid is fucked for life.
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The reason e-sports is a serious thing in Korea is they take it seriously. I hope West is gonna catch up at some point.
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On July 15 2016 13:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:
lifetime ban is justified, matchfixer's actions destabilized the scene, it'll be lucky if it even lasts another 2-3 years, and lets be honest here would there be any sponsors willing to back a tournament with known matchfixers? It would make anyone question the legitimacy of the tournament.
I don't think so. After all, as I said, it's one mistake. It's not as if he was some criminal mastermind running a ring of corrupt players, as Savior did. I understood he had a gambling problem, got into red, and this is what these sharks are waiting for. He played Starcraft his entire teenage life, he slipped up, got sentenced and banned.
But for life?
How about, for example, Calciopoli? Half of Italian football teams were into it, or involved one way or the other. I don't see Juventus Torino disbanded and excluded for life for playing in Serie A. Got relegated, players left, fined, some managers jailed if I remember well. They fought back in Serie B, got back, learned their lessons.
I would have banned Life 18-24 months, heavy fine, stripped all his titles. Wanna go back? Endure the ban, no money, but we'll give you another chance to make it right. Not so with KeSPA, which is directly excluding for life anyone involved in matchfixing.
I remember yet again the Savior thing. Was Hwasin guilty on the same level as Savior? For Christ's sake, the poor kid did not even understood what he got involved in. Yet his life was ruined, covered with shame, practically being a ghost for years. Nobody deserves this except the guys scheming that. I, somehow, wonder if Life was the criminal mastermind here.
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