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Shortizz
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore129 Posts
July 17 2016 12:44 GMT
#141
On July 16 2016 09:26 RichardNPL wrote:
we neeed to make tribute video about life. He is so awesome tragic hero Being Champ wasnt enough for him


Sure lets make a ''tribute'' for a cheater,
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 17 2016 12:59 GMT
#142
On July 17 2016 21:44 Shortizz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2016 09:26 RichardNPL wrote:
we neeed to make tribute video about life. He is so awesome tragic hero Being Champ wasnt enough for him


Sure lets make a ''tribute'' for a cheater,


As was the case with saviOr, you can honor a player's career and incredible achievements without condoning whatever immoral things they did beyond it. There's no question that Life was a one-of-a-kind player, and that his career was absolutely incredible. His acting like a dickhead out of poor judgment doesn't change that one bit.
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-17 13:53:59
July 17 2016 13:53 GMT
#143
why isn't it possible for people on the internet to just say "hey, he's a kid who made a mistake, it's a serious mistake and he's responsible for it, but i wish him the best in becoming a better person and competitor"

why does it have to be either "IT'S JUST GAMBLING OVER A VIDEO GAME!!! HE WAS A LEGENDARY PLAYER!!!" or "STRING HIM UP IN THE TOWN SQUARE AS AN EXAMPLE TO ALL SCUM"?

like i 100% agree he fucked up and i'm not a fan anymore, i agree with the punishment, but i don't want shit smeared on his face... i just want the dude to improve his decision making
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Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
July 17 2016 14:32 GMT
#144
On July 17 2016 22:53 brickrd wrote:
why isn't it possible for people on the internet to just say "hey, he's a kid who made a mistake, it's a serious mistake and he's responsible for it, but i wish him the best in becoming a better person and competitor"

why does it have to be either "IT'S JUST GAMBLING OVER A VIDEO GAME!!! HE WAS A LEGENDARY PLAYER!!!" or "STRING HIM UP IN THE TOWN SQUARE AS AN EXAMPLE TO ALL SCUM"?


Because only the extremes feel the need to share it. The ones in the middle don't, so you don't see them.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 17 2016 17:49 GMT
#145
On July 17 2016 21:44 Shortizz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2016 09:26 RichardNPL wrote:
we neeed to make tribute video about life. He is so awesome tragic hero Being Champ wasnt enough for him


Sure lets make a ''tribute'' for a cheater,


Life never cheated. Every acheivement and trophy he won was because of his skill.
He is now banned because he accepted money in return for throwing 2 games, that isn't cheating it's match fixing.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
July 17 2016 18:22 GMT
#146
what a terrible way to end such a great career
LoveTool
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden143 Posts
July 17 2016 20:15 GMT
#147
He was a fantastic player. He was a match fixer. He will be remembered as both.

Justice has been served. Now we can move on with Starcraft.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
July 17 2016 23:18 GMT
#148
On July 17 2016 12:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On July 17 2016 10:55 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Going into eSports thinking it will be a career path is the real problem here. The minimum age to play professionally should be 19 (Korean age). Scholar-athlete programs has its problems in football and basketball but for the majority of the collegiate programs, it builds a good educational base for athletes to fall back to. Something similar where players are forced to explore some sort of secondary education before going professional is needed in Korea.

And that's why it's a manipulation of children who think they can actually have earnings as a progamer and are told they're good and have potential. Then they chase their "dreams" only to realize it was foolish when they grow older and have nothing on their hands.

In the same vein of manipulation, Life's upbringing was at the hands of a team, and they obviously wouldn't be teaching him how to become a model citizen or focusing on issues like matchfixing. Instead it's all about grinding their players to mine them out for sponsorships and money.


Life was basically a part-time player for several years because he was still living at home and going to school. Back then you could see obvious differences in his level of play during the school year versus summer break. I'm not exactly sure when he went full time pro. Other teenage progamers do drop out of school but Life originally wasn't one of them.

Plus it may surprise you but Korea does have laws in place for when minors are allowed to be online. For example they used to move Creator's game times around to avoid the Internet curfew for minors.

Lastly, it might interest you but what you are describing for progamer-student programs has existed in Korea. The old team NeoHosu was actually a school sanctioned team (not sure if it was affiliated or you had to be a student to be on it). The old FOU clan was something similar, Leenock used to talk about how he would get practice time during the school day (originally another part-time player). It may not go as far as you're proposing but I figured you'd be interested to know it exists.
ZertoN
Profile Joined February 2014
Germany214 Posts
July 18 2016 02:01 GMT
#149
On July 17 2016 21:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2016 21:44 Shortizz wrote:
On July 16 2016 09:26 RichardNPL wrote:
we neeed to make tribute video about life. He is so awesome tragic hero Being Champ wasnt enough for him


Sure lets make a ''tribute'' for a cheater,

There's no question that Life was a one-of-a-kind player


nobody loves their hyperboles more than TL staff
"I don't like games that i need to think a lot, i am not interested in those games." - TaeJa, 2016
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 18 2016 02:15 GMT
#150
On July 18 2016 05:15 LoveTool wrote:
He was a fantastic player. He was a match fixer. He will be remembered as both.

Justice has been served. Now we can move on with Starcraft.


Pretty much sums it up.
Ezus
Profile Joined December 2013
1 Post
July 18 2016 19:23 GMT
#151
He is 18 and get 18 months of emprisonements suspended by 3 years and 60k$ fine.
The korean court is really really severe, even too severe in my opinion.
He is the best sc2 player by far, no one is better than him in this game.
We just lost a fucking genius, it's really sad.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 18 2016 19:50 GMT
#152
On July 19 2016 04:23 Ezus wrote:
He is 18 and get 18 months of emprisonements suspended by 3 years and 60k$ fine.
The korean court is really really severe, even too severe in my opinion.
He is the best sc2 player by far, no one is better than him in this game.
We just lost a fucking genius, it's really sad.

His awful decisions are sad, now he has to live with the consequences of them. Korea drops the hammer on shit like this because of the organized crime aspect.
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
July 18 2016 23:29 GMT
#153
Good riddance. Too bad that a player of his caliber match fixing.
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Chewbacca1
Profile Joined May 2016
11 Posts
July 19 2016 00:20 GMT
#154
Sorry, but I've got to ask: I remember the prosecutors listing out the particular games that Life threw. I couldn't, or maybe didn't know how to properly, find them.

Anyone managed to find some of those?

Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 19 2016 01:02 GMT
#155
On July 19 2016 04:23 Ezus wrote:
He is 18 and get 18 months of emprisonements suspended by 3 years and 60k$ fine.
The korean court is really really severe, even too severe in my opinion.
He is the best sc2 player by far, no one is better than him in this game.
We just lost a fucking genius, it's really sad.


Match-fixing is a cancer to eSports, as it would be to any competitive endeavor. Just like widespread doping is an existential threat to many sports - match-fixing undermines the legitimacy of the competition and scares away sponsors.

Maybe they are making an example out of him - he is the most accomplished SC2 player ever and the courts want to make an example that no one is immune from punishment.

It's definitely a sad situation though.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MasterCynical
Profile Joined September 2012
505 Posts
July 19 2016 01:09 GMT
#156
RIP RIP RIP

Life always ends in death. Great name choice imo.
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
July 19 2016 01:37 GMT
#157
KeSPA's banning after spending two months in jail for this. So sad. I wish I knew more. Was there was anyone who tried to help or just sleazeballs manipulating him after he had made some dumb mistakes? Do teachers and mentors actually make a point to educate and help young players with things like this? The big "Why"! So many questions.

I still remember having my mind blown when I found out how old (young) Life was after months of watching his games and trying his builds on ladder, he is so talented and did so much for Zergs and the entire community. Hopefully he learns from these mistakes, keeps his chin up, and puts all of that incredible talent into something meaningful.
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
July 19 2016 12:06 GMT
#158
Where is that "KeSPA ban" on the front page?
:3
Hypertension
Profile Joined April 2011
United States802 Posts
July 19 2016 13:24 GMT
#159
On July 19 2016 09:20 Chewbacca1 wrote:
Sorry, but I've got to ask: I remember the prosecutors listing out the particular games that Life threw. I couldn't, or maybe didn't know how to properly, find them.

Anyone managed to find some of those?




sc2links is the one of the best places for VODs

Prosecutor's report: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/507941-prosecutors-report-life-and-bbyong-match-fixing

Kespa Cup (vs Dream and vs Terminator): http://sc2links.com/tournament.php?tournament=KeSPA Cup S1 2015&cat=T&tab=t&y=2015

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Stolker
Profile Joined March 2013
United States96 Posts
July 22 2016 06:36 GMT
#160
I still love watching his games. His style was awesome. Many great athletes fix matches in every sport and often we don't know . where there is money there will always be things like this so I don't care what he did, I just wish i could see more of Life
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