As was the case with saviOr, you can honor a player's career and incredible achievements without condoning whatever immoral things they did beyond it. There's no question that Life was a one-of-a-kind player, and that his career was absolutely incredible. His acting like a dickhead out of poor judgment doesn't change that one bit.

brickrd

United States4894 Posts

July 17 2016 13:53 GMT

#143

why isn't it possible for people on the internet to just say "hey, he's a kid who made a mistake, it's a serious mistake and he's responsible for it, but i wish him the best in becoming a better person and competitor"

why does it have to be either "IT'S JUST GAMBLING OVER A VIDEO GAME!!! HE WAS A LEGENDARY PLAYER!!!" or "STRING HIM UP IN THE TOWN SQUARE AS AN EXAMPLE TO ALL SCUM"?

like i 100% agree he fucked up and i'm not a fan anymore, i agree with the punishment, but i don't want shit smeared on his face... i just want the dude to improve his decision making

Rehio

United States1718 Posts

July 17 2016 14:32 GMT

#144

On July 17 2016 22:53 brickrd wrote:
why isn't it possible for people on the internet to just say "hey, he's a kid who made a mistake, it's a serious mistake and he's responsible for it, but i wish him the best in becoming a better person and competitor"

why does it have to be either "IT'S JUST GAMBLING OVER A VIDEO GAME!!! HE WAS A LEGENDARY PLAYER!!!" or "STRING HIM UP IN THE TOWN SQUARE AS AN EXAMPLE TO ALL SCUM"?

Because only the extremes feel the need to share it. The ones in the middle don't, so you don't see them.

Fango

United Kingdom8987 Posts

July 17 2016 17:49 GMT

#145

On July 17 2016 21:44 Shortizz wrote:

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Sure lets make a ''tribute'' for a cheater,

Life never cheated. Every acheivement and trophy he won was because of his skill.
He is now banned because he accepted money in return for throwing 2 games, that isn't cheating it's match fixing.

farnham

1378 Posts

July 17 2016 18:22 GMT

#146

what a terrible way to end such a great career

LoveTool

Sweden143 Posts

July 17 2016 20:15 GMT

#147

He was a fantastic player. He was a match fixer. He will be remembered as both.

Justice has been served. Now we can move on with Starcraft.

Wuster

1974 Posts

July 17 2016 23:18 GMT

#148

On July 17 2016 12:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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And that's why it's a manipulation of children who think they can actually have earnings as a progamer and are told they're good and have potential. Then they chase their "dreams" only to realize it was foolish when they grow older and have nothing on their hands.

In the same vein of manipulation, Life's upbringing was at the hands of a team, and they obviously wouldn't be teaching him how to become a model citizen or focusing on issues like matchfixing. Instead it's all about grinding their players to mine them out for sponsorships and money.

Life was basically a part-time player for several years because he was still living at home and going to school. Back then you could see obvious differences in his level of play during the school year versus summer break. I'm not exactly sure when he went full time pro. Other teenage progamers do drop out of school but Life originally wasn't one of them.

Plus it may surprise you but Korea does have laws in place for when minors are allowed to be online. For example they used to move Creator's game times around to avoid the Internet curfew for minors.

Lastly, it might interest you but what you are describing for progamer-student programs has existed in Korea. The old team NeoHosu was actually a school sanctioned team (not sure if it was affiliated or you had to be a student to be on it). The old FOU clan was something similar, Leenock used to talk about how he would get practice time during the school day (originally another part-time player). It may not go as far as you're proposing but I figured you'd be interested to know it exists.

ZertoN

Germany214 Posts

July 18 2016 02:01 GMT

#149

On July 17 2016 21:59 Zealously wrote:

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There's no question that Life was a one-of-a-kind player

nobody loves their hyperboles more than TL staff

Phredxor

New Zealand15076 Posts

July 18 2016 02:15 GMT

#150

On July 18 2016 05:15 LoveTool wrote:
He was a fantastic player. He was a match fixer. He will be remembered as both.

Justice has been served. Now we can move on with Starcraft.

Pretty much sums it up.

Ezus

1 Post

July 18 2016 19:23 GMT

#151

He is 18 and get 18 months of emprisonements suspended by 3 years and 60k$ fine.
The korean court is really really severe, even too severe in my opinion.
He is the best sc2 player by far, no one is better than him in this game.
We just lost a fucking genius, it's really sad.

Jaaaaasper

United States10225 Posts

July 18 2016 19:50 GMT

#152

On July 19 2016 04:23 Ezus wrote:
He is 18 and get 18 months of emprisonements suspended by 3 years and 60k$ fine.
The korean court is really really severe, even too severe in my opinion.
He is the best sc2 player by far, no one is better than him in this game.
We just lost a fucking genius, it's really sad.

His awful decisions are sad, now he has to live with the consequences of them. Korea drops the hammer on shit like this because of the organized crime aspect.

Shana

Indonesia1814 Posts

July 18 2016 23:29 GMT

#153

Good riddance. Too bad that a player of his caliber match fixing.

Chewbacca1

11 Posts

July 19 2016 00:20 GMT

#154

Sorry, but I've got to ask: I remember the prosecutors listing out the particular games that Life threw. I couldn't, or maybe didn't know how to properly, find them.

Anyone managed to find some of those?

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

July 19 2016 01:02 GMT

#155

Match-fixing is a cancer to eSports, as it would be to any competitive endeavor. Just like widespread doping is an existential threat to many sports - match-fixing undermines the legitimacy of the competition and scares away sponsors.

Maybe they are making an example out of him - he is the most accomplished SC2 player ever and the courts want to make an example that no one is immune from punishment.

It's definitely a sad situation though.

MasterCynical

505 Posts

July 19 2016 01:09 GMT

#156

RIP RIP RIP

Life always ends in death. Great name choice imo.

blunderfulguy

United States1415 Posts

July 19 2016 01:37 GMT

#157

KeSPA's banning after spending two months in jail for this. So sad. I wish I knew more. Was there was anyone who tried to help or just sleazeballs manipulating him after he had made some dumb mistakes? Do teachers and mentors actually make a point to educate and help young players with things like this? The big "Why"! So many questions.

I still remember having my mind blown when I found out how old (young) Life was after months of watching his games and trying his builds on ladder, he is so talented and did so much for Zergs and the entire community. Hopefully he learns from these mistakes, keeps his chin up, and puts all of that incredible talent into something meaningful.

Starecat

932 Posts

July 19 2016 12:06 GMT

#158

Where is that "KeSPA ban" on the front page?

Hypertension

United States802 Posts

July 19 2016 13:24 GMT

#159

On July 19 2016 09:20 Chewbacca1 wrote:
Sorry, but I've got to ask: I remember the prosecutors listing out the particular games that Life threw. I couldn't, or maybe didn't know how to properly, find them.

Anyone managed to find some of those?

sc2links is the one of the best places for VODs

Prosecutor's report: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/507941-prosecutors-report-life-and-bbyong-match-fixing

Kespa Cup (vs Dream and vs Terminator): http://sc2links.com/tournament.php?tournament=KeSPA Cup S1 2015&cat=T&tab=t&y=2015

Stolker

United States96 Posts

July 22 2016 06:36 GMT

#160

I still love watching his games. His style was awesome. Many great athletes fix matches in every sport and often we don't know . where there is money there will always be things like this so I don't care what he did, I just wish i could see more of Life