EPTOn July 14 2016 19:20 Elentos wrote:
Most streaming platforms work with KeSPA and don't let match fixers stream.
Most streaming platforms work with KeSPA and don't let match fixers stream.
Which is good. We do not need match fixer on this scene.
Life's match-fixing appeal dismissed - Page 5
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Which is good. We do not need match fixer on this scene. | ||
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Seedfan
58 Posts
Save all your anger for actual atrocities and harmful crimes, though | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On July 15 2016 00:31 iamkaokao wrote: good thing they are destroying his life , because of the "damage he did" , just make him pay a fee.. instead of making 2 month of agonizing drama.. that surely did much more damage than if they shut their mouth and ask for a reasonable fee.. this shows how doing the right can damage way more , they did infinitely more damage , banning the best player in the world and byong , and making public the case , how does that helped the scene ? they did inmeasurable damage to the scene.. nobody woulda given a fuck if they didn't do this.. I mean he did something illegal and the state of Korea punish him for it according to their law, what do you want them to do? The judge and policement don't care (or at least should not care) about the state of starcraft when they are working. I guess Kespa could have not ban them, but the 2 month "drama" was just the judiary power working and taking his time. It was not Kespa who prosecuted Life it was the state of Korea since it was a criminal offense and not a civil offense, so no they could not ask for just a fee. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2634 Posts
In my opinion, even though his crimes were atrocious and I can't forgive him for it, I don't think it deserves jail time. Jail is for people who are dangerous to society. He hurt a scene but never put anyone in harm. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On July 15 2016 01:18 Brutaxilos wrote: So is Life still in jail right now? That's what 18 month imprisonment means right? In my opinion, even though his crimes were atrocious and I can't forgive him for it, I don't think it deserves jail time. Jail is for people who are dangerous to society. He hurt a scene but never put anyone in harm. Life was in jail (not prison) for around 2 months while things were being investigated and the trial was going on. He now has a suspended sentence which basically means he's on probation, and if he doesn't violate the probation any time in the next 3 years, then he won't have to do the 18 months imprisonment. | ||
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
On July 15 2016 01:18 Brutaxilos wrote: So is Life still in jail right now? That's what 18 month imprisonment means right? In my opinion, even though his crimes were atrocious and I can't forgive him for it, I don't think it deserves jail time. Jail is for people who are dangerous to society. He hurt a scene but never put anyone in harm. His sentence was suspended, so he doesn't have to go to jail unless he commits another crime. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Life is not a child anymore. Maybe 5 years ago it would have been less serious. But he's old enough to be tried for his crime I think. | ||
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iamkaokao
108 Posts
On July 15 2016 01:13 Nakajin wrote: I mean he did something illegal and the state of Korea punish him for it according to their law, what do you want them to do? The judge and policement don't care (or at least should not care) about the state of starcraft when they are working. I guess Kespa could have not ban them, but the 2 month "drama" was just the judiary power working and taking his time. It was not Kespa who prosecuted Life it was the state of Korea since it was a criminal offense and not a civil offense, so no they could not ask for just a fee. i think we all agree that he should be punished , im just saying just because one of the charges was the "damage done to the scene.." i thought it was ironic since this action pretty much destroyed sc2 and the whole zerg race not "literally" but did way more damage than it woulda been just with a fee , things like this happen in daily bases in any sport.. and they keep playing | ||
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Psychobabas
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Brutaxilos
United States2634 Posts
On July 15 2016 01:22 ZAiNs wrote: Life was in jail (not prison) for around 2 months while things were being investigated and the trial was going on. He now has a suspended sentence which basically means he's on probation, and if he doesn't violate the probation any time in the next 3 years, then he won't have to do the 18 months imprisonment. Alright then, I think that sentence is perfectly valid. Regardless of what he did, I still hope he can something to do with his life in the future. Even criminals should have a chance to integrate with society. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On July 15 2016 01:56 iamkaokao wrote: i think we all agree that he should be punished , im just saying just because one of the charges was the "damage done to the scene.." i thought it was ironic since this action pretty much destroyed sc2 and the whole zerg race not "literally" but did way more damage than it woulda been just with a fee , things like this happen in daily bases in any sport.. and they keep playing Ah ok got you, but I think damage done to the scene was more of an agravating factor then a charge (I could be wrong on that one, I can't read korean), because his action impacted the credibility of other person as well as Kespa he should be punish more. It does seems a bit ironic in this situation, but I feel like it make sense, his action were not only ilegal but they also hurt other people so it is more severe, also they kind of have to respect legal precedents. Even if he only got a fee it would still have hurt Kespa has an organisation and other esport member, having him continue to play would not have been all that much better either, outside of making it seems less riscky for other to do it, it could also have cause a huge controversy, just look at all that happen around MK when he continue to play after beeing only suspected of matchfixing. | ||
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Antonidas
United States105 Posts
Flash vs Life in the MLG (I think it was) -> won me over. BLizzcon 2014 and 2015... good times.............................TT Life is still one of my favorite players. I would love to help him out financially. However, I doubt this mistake will haunt him for the rest of his life -- ain't mass murder, although still bad. He just happened to be presented with a temptation that nearly all of us will never be given because he's so damn smart and perservering. This guy can reach for the stars. I really hope that somehow he comes back to Starcraft II or some other eSport. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On July 14 2016 13:42 blade55555 wrote: Man at first I missed the appeal part and was thinking he was somehow cleared. Damn you life for match fixing. Same  This still breaks my heart. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
Or we could ban him from the scene to let the professional scene grow, although already damaged. It's one or the other. EDIT: I also love how people are saying that the events pretty much killed his life from here-on. He can do whatever he wants (although he does have the criminal record now) outside of eSports. | ||
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20-Minute-Jackal
United States336 Posts
On July 14 2016 22:29 Nakajin wrote: Lets not get over dramatic, it is just one crime and a relatively minor one, I am guessing he still got a very healty bank acount for his age. He won't do prison it is just a fine Most university are still going to accept him, the best one may not but the public one will at least look at it and in programs that don't make cut at the entrance, most of humam science, comunication, art and some administration programs he should be able to enter. He was not guilty of gun possession, rape or murder it was just illegal gambling. Finding a good job is going to be a lot harder but it is very much douable, the offense is not that bad and he can always try to defends himself in interview blaming it on his age or the pression from the mob. His life is not over at, he made it a lot more difficult that it needed to be but all and all a criminal record vs a 200k+ bank acount for a 18 years old his not that bad. I would be a lot more worry for b4 or Enough. You're making it sound like Life has more money then he may actually have. If the gambling rumors are true, Life has already pissed away most of his legitimate earnings and that's why he agreed to match-fix in the first place, he needed more cash to either gamble more, or pay off previous gambling debts. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
I have to agree that jail time seems unnecessary, though. To be honest, given how poor his finances are, a fine seems pointless too. Banning him from his livelihood, even if for "only" five or ten years or what have you, would be enough to seriously punish his crime. Life's going to be wishing he'd just done differently for the rest of his days. | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
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Agh
United States1108 Posts
On July 14 2016 18:56 JackONeill wrote: Young or not, Life's illegal actions were especially unforgivable because he did it while still at the top. I mean I can understand that Yoda would do such a thing because he wasn't performing anymore. When you're a professional player and you're on the down slope, I can understand (not approuve, but understand) that you'd do this kind of stuff. But life was still a very, very good player, probably top 5-10 Z in the world. I'm glad he gets fully and extensively punished by the righteous arm of korean justice. You're failing to take into account that a lot of the top players do not enjoy playing the game, and only do so because they are good at it. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On July 15 2016 05:02 Agh wrote: You're failing to take into account that a lot of the top players do not enjoy playing the game, and only do so because they are good at it. A Lot ? Where does this comes from ? Like who ? You can't be at the top without liking what you do. | ||
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