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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Fatam
1986 Posts
On July 08 2016 02:33 NewSunshine wrote: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/20745746682#1 My formal post on Battle.net, I encourage anyone to take a look and offer your opinions. It already had -2 when I got there (only 50 min after posted). Gotta love the Blizz forum heroes that will downvote any dissonant voice. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 08 2016 03:31 Barrin wrote: I for one hope you do. I appreciate that, but one of the few reasons I even made Galactic Process and the others is because I still held hope that I could put my map on ladder. Now that I've finally done it, and Blizzard has taken what I've made and turned it into rather something else, why should ladder still be a goal for me? It doesn't feel like I accomplished anything now. | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
So not only did they put the absolutely terrible dasan station which is basically saying "you only have 2 vetos for next season", not only did they go through with the queen buff that wasn't wanted by most of the community, but now they start fucking intellectual proriety over? Thanks blizzard, real classy once again. | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On July 08 2016 04:27 JackONeill wrote: but now they start fucking intellectual proriety over? Well technically the EULA states anything made in the editor is owned by them, though unsure of how enforceable that is through law. It's mostly just disrespectfull, but worse is fully changing out how the map plays through making the natural an open one, essentially Daedelusing it up | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 08 2016 04:04 NewSunshine wrote: I appreciate that, but one of the few reasons I even made Galactic Process and the others is because I still held hope that I could put my map on ladder. Now that I've finally done it, and Blizzard has taken what I've made and turned it into rather something else, why should ladder still be a goal for me? It doesn't feel like I accomplished anything now. Here's my take.
Harstem vs Puck, Scarlet vs Bly, Theo vs Lilkanin. And yes, you can have silly games like Snute vs uThermal but dumb stuff like that shouldn't work between equally skilled players. And yes, rushing is strong like uThermal vs Nerchio but since you're not forced to take the gold as your natural this kind of rush isn't necessarily broken; but it is an effective counter to the fast expand to the gold. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On July 08 2016 05:04 Plexa wrote: [*]Gamplay changes should be off limits, PARTICULARLY for this TLMC where we had an extensive rework/feedback process (more than any other season). Changing a map in the face of that feedback says either (a) the map team knows balance better than pros/community (b) the map team wanted the map to play out differently than intended. In the case of (b) don't betray the map makers vision and just pick another map. This is my biggest gripe with the change. The contest had clear categorization of all maps. This map was fully intended to be a standard macro map. That's the reason it was voted into the top 4. But that's not what we are going to get now. With the open natural it's at its best non-standard. That's not what people voted for. If you don't want a standard map, choose a different one, ffs. They had so many options. There were multiple non-standard maps in TLMC I would rather play than broken Galactic Process. | ||
Olli
Austria24420 Posts
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Fatam
1986 Posts
On July 08 2016 05:04 Plexa wrote: On Dasan Station. I don't think people actually watched games on Dasan. The first impression of the map was poor due to a bug (which was fixed) which allowed a silly bunker rush. Most games on the map were intense and non-meta. Yes people hate non-meta maps but it's an interesting experiment that could lead to some really cool games (and if nothing else, the map making community stands to learn a lot from it). Here are some examples Harstem vs Puck, Scarlet vs Bly, Theo vs Lilkanin. And yes, you can have silly games like Snute vs uThermal but dumb stuff like that shouldn't work between equally skilled players. And yes, rushing is strong like uThermal vs Nerchio but since you're not forced to take the gold as your natural this kind of rush isn't necessarily broken; but it is an effective counter to the fast expand to the gold. Pretty much. I've never seen so much hate for a map in such a short time, and like you said I really don't think most people even watched the games or have played on the map. If we're just going to judge things based on looking at the overview only, then I honestly think the new GSL map (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/510324-4-rqm-judgement) should be getting more hate than Dasan. It's literally 4 bases behind 1 defensive position, with the 5th being pretty close too. Yes some air/drop harass is possible but in general it's just so deathbally and poorly designed. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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JackONeill
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Ryu3600
Canada469 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:21 The_Red_Viper wrote: While i agree that blizzard shouldn't just change gameplay mechanics of a map, it's still a huge overreaction going on here imo. Well, they turned it into a different type of map than the one that was top 5 in TLMC, and imo it was a change for the worse. I'll probably veto this even though the original concept was fine. Because walling this natural is so unreasonable. The Great Wall of China isn't enough to cover that. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:29 Elentos wrote: Well, they turned it into a different type of map than the one that was top 5 in TLMC, and imo it was a change for the worse. I'll probably veto this even though the original concept was fine. Because walling this natural is so unreasonable. The Great Wall of China isn't enough to cover that. Sure, but after i read the first reactions here i thought it would be way worse. There definitely should be some form of communication with the map creator (at least about the gameplay change), but some comments are borderline ridiculous (including twitter responses) Maybe Blizzard will actually add the rocks, that might be the best form of actions | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24211 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe Blizzard will actually add the rocks, that might be the best form of actions hopefully... | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On July 08 2016 05:04 Plexa wrote: On Dasan Station. I don't think people actually watched games on Dasan. The first impression of the map was poor due to a bug (which was fixed) which allowed a silly bunker rush. Most games on the map were intense and non-meta. Yes people hate non-meta maps but it's an interesting experiment that could lead to some really cool games (and if nothing else, the map making community stands to learn a lot from it). Here are some examples Harstem vs Puck, Scarlet vs Bly, Theo vs Lilkanin. And yes, you can have silly games like Snute vs uThermal but dumb stuff like that shouldn't work between equally skilled players. And yes, rushing is strong like uThermal vs Nerchio but since you're not forced to take the gold as your natural this kind of rush isn't necessarily broken; but it is an effective counter to the fast expand to the gold. While it's a very interesting map from a design and viewer perspective, there's one thing with that Dasan stands out to me, and that is if it is also fun to play, which I believe should be the main function of the map, especially when it comes to ladder, and why I consider this map in particular to be more fit for showmatches/tournaments rather than regular play. Reception of the map during the testing tournament wasn't all to positive, which leaves me with question marks about its future on the ladder. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
They have to, right? I mean this is possibly unplayable for Protoss vs Zerg, it's ugly for Terran vs Zerg, and I don't think this is okay for Terran vs Protoss either, but every Protoss would veto this because of PvZ so nobody could ever know for sure. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, but after i read the first reactions here i thought it would be way worse. There definitely should be some form of communication with the map creator (at least about the gameplay change), but some comments are borderline ridiculous (including twitter responses) Maybe Blizzard will actually add the rocks, that might be the best form of actions Did we have an official statement from Blizard, cause it wouldn't be the first time there s a last minute hotfix on a map, the rocks could have been removed by mistake, who knows? Anyway, people are kinda over reacting, a simple "hey blizz what's up with the rocks?" would have been a much more mature attitude, that twitter and forums shitstorm just make people ranting hard to be taken seriously... | ||
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