9-square wide from edge to edge.

Teo's wall is 13 squares wide and uses the diagonal nexus in the wall so it's twice as big of a wall - You need 2 extra pylons to complete the wall but this doubled width also makes cannons, forcefields and overcharges far weaker.

Fatam

1986 Posts

July 09 2016 02:51 GMT

#142

I actually don't think Galactic and CK will play THAT similarly. Even if the rocks were there at the nat backdoor, there are some pretty key differences in pathing and where bases/ramps/rocks are etc.

beheamoth

44 Posts

July 09 2016 07:22 GMT

#143

when is someone going to do that cool thing where they link the pics of the maps so i dont have to associate myself with the bnet forum?

MockHamill

Sweden1798 Posts

July 09 2016 11:45 GMT

#144

I do not like that they left two of my veto maps - Frost and Frozen temple. Both are unplayable if you play mech. So I hope that only one veto is needed for the new maps.

It would be great if there were a single season where 3 vetoes were sufficient. I always feel I am one veto short from getting a decent experience on the ladder.

Trizztein

Canada45 Posts

July 09 2016 13:57 GMT

#145

On July 08 2016 17:58 FromtheAbysS wrote:
Galactic Process looks very similar to Cloud Kingdom. Good thing as this one was one of the best map ever made in sc2.
We will see...
Dasan Station is a joke. TvT, early zerglings rush, Pylons rush, 3 entries in the main,... so much fun.
The others look good but sad to say goodbye to Dusk Tower

And 6 entries to the main with blink stalkers ... what a nightmare it would be if we couldn't veto it.

geokilla

Canada8251 Posts

July 09 2016 17:42 GMT

#146

So has Blizzard said anything about changing the maps like that?

Elentos

55581 Posts

July 09 2016 19:21 GMT

#147

Don't worry guys, Nathanias figured out Dasan Station.

JackONeill

861 Posts

July 09 2016 23:00 GMT

#148

But an ultralisk can go through though.

PinoKotsBeer

Netherlands1385 Posts

July 09 2016 23:13 GMT

#149

Well tested!

biomech

Germany380 Posts

July 10 2016 00:10 GMT

#150

reasonable things (cough rocks cough) got removed beforehand, something tells me unreasonable (untested, buggy, overlooked, [insert rant here]...) things will get removed afterwards just as well.

geokilla

Canada8251 Posts

July 10 2016 00:15 GMT

#151

On July 10 2016 08:00 JackONeill wrote:
But an ultralisk can go through though.

How did this shitty map get through Blizzard's QC?

NewSunshine

United States5938 Posts

July 10 2016 02:41 GMT

#152

On July 10 2016 02:42 geokilla wrote:
So has Blizzard said anything about changing the maps like that?

Here's the closest thing you're likely to get:

We typically make adjustments to community-created maps before they go on the ladder, but this was a case where we could have done better in communicating with NewSunshine about the changes we wanted to make. We identified where the breakdown happened internally and will take steps to ensure this doesn’t happen again after future contests. In the end, we’re all invested in having the best possible maps for players. Having a dialogue when possible as we iterate together on the maps contributes to this goal, so we’ll execute better on that going forward.

Source: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/20745746682?page=2#post-35

It sounds a bit canned as a response, though it's better than nothing. I personally don't have my hopes up, but I have to make peace with the situation either way.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

July 10 2016 02:55 GMT

#153

Innovation in the next season of GSL xD good joke Nate

Phredxor

New Zealand15076 Posts

July 10 2016 03:18 GMT

#154

Wtf is up with that Dasan Station thing? How on earth did nobody notice that? Or is it an intended feature to promote creativity?

TheWinks

United States572 Posts

July 10 2016 03:51 GMT

#155

On July 10 2016 09:15 geokilla wrote:

Show nested quote +

How did this shitty map get through Blizzard's QC?

You're assuming it exists.

[PkF] Wire

France24239 Posts

July 10 2016 10:14 GMT

#156

Isn't Apotheosis going to be pretty imba in ZvP with the easy gold ?

JackONeill

861 Posts

July 10 2016 10:27 GMT

#157

On July 10 2016 09:15 geokilla wrote:

Show nested quote +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s0cWGrZxnU

How did this shitty map get through Blizzard's QC?

Because internal testing at blizz is a myth. This is at "30dmg zealot charge" level of incompetence.

Mlord

France135 Posts

July 12 2016 00:57 GMT

#158

Ok i've played those past few days on those maps, my opinion about terran matchup :

Dasan station may look bad, but if it stays only one season it might be ok to play on it, the metagame will shift quickly, tempest/adept might be too strong in TvP on this one because of the third base having gold and the very rush short distance, + tempest can be supported by stalker, TvZ looks very hard to call and we will probably never see a normal game on it

Apotheosis : I have honestly no idea why people think it would look good, the map is way way too big, and you can also take a third base as a gold, as you know "prion terraces" was already a very unfavored terran map because of the third being a gold, here we have this feature + the map is insanely big, which makes it very unfavored for terran

Galactic process : A few weird ideas about this map, but it have some cool feature and it's actually the only "balanced" and well thought map, may be balanced in TvP and slightly favored for zerg because of the 4th being maybe slightly too safe, but looks like a fair map

New gettysburg : The special features of the map are interesting and ok, but the layout of the first 4 base is way too safe, which makes it very hard to push or harass, you basically force a mid-lategame on this map, i doubt it will be any good

Considering the current metagame and the recent buff, i think it will be a very rough map pool for terran
For the mirror match up every map are normal, except for dasan station that will give insanely random TvT, that will remain more on lucky drop timing than skill

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

July 12 2016 02:10 GMT

#159

On July 10 2016 19:14 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Isn't Apotheosis going to be pretty imba in ZvP with the easy gold ?

The gold isn't that easy, since you can knock down the rocks to cut if off from the rest of the bases, and also shoot at the workers from the low ground.

-NegativeZero-

United States2142 Posts

July 12 2016 03:18 GMT

#160

On July 12 2016 11:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

Show nested quote +

The gold isn't that easy, since you can knock down the rocks to cut if off from the rest of the bases, and also shoot at the workers from the low ground.

this is how i'm hoping it turns out - the goal was an exaggerated "high risk high reward" design, where the risk also involves the opponent having to exploit the surrounding terrain. but we'll see how it works in practice...