Zest: The Last Titan - Page 9

On May 29 2016 05:17 Silvana wrote:


You must know that being compared with swag_bro is a compliment

Joking aside, I don't think your posts are bad quality (except some regarding certain controversial topic), but I do have trouble sometimes tellling whether you're being serious or poking fun. In any case, it's all good <3

On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

possibly the last player that may be able to surpass Mvp as the Greatest SC2 player of All Time

On May 29 2016 08:15 Bagration wrote:


I thought Life already surpassed Mvp, just not in an ethical sense

On May 29 2016 08:08 Alarak89 wrote:

That's right.
When we talking about GOAT:

sOs had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and one so far in 2016.
Life had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and of course none in 2016.
herO had one offline championship in 2013, three in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Innovation had one offline championship in 2013, one in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Zest had none offline championship in 2013, four in 2014, one in 2015 and one so far in 2016.

So now you guys tell me who is more "stable" and has "healthier" condition during his career.
Also, do not forget to relate the results to their overall win rate, is 60% a magic number?

On May 29 2016 09:36 Bagration wrote:


Ultimately it's kind of meaningless to speculate on player legacies while they are still active. Who knows if a slump is a permanent or not? Most people definitely didn't see MMA winning 4 more premiers and getting to the Blizzcon finals after leaving Slayers in 2012.

Hell, MC might make some miracle comeback. Polt might continue to dominate the foreign scene and pick up more premiers, etc. etc.

On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:

Including BO1:
1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67%
2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78%
3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72%
4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57%
5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68%
6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50%
7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16%
8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%

Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05%
2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97%
3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09%
4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86%
5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33%
6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82%
7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76%
8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%

Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00%
2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50%
3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44%
4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86%
5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80%
6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36%
7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27%
8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%

On May 29 2016 11:24 bestviva wrote:


you remind me someone on another forum, always display massive data, but the only point behind these data is:SOS is the greatest player of all time, Life, MVP, whoever…they are nothing compare to SOS
but this guy never say it directly, he just want to use the data to convince you to admit SOS is the greatest, and he also like to deny other players achievement to make the one he likes look better

On May 29 2016 11:24 Diabolique wrote:

Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".

By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!

On May 29 2016 12:35 Alarak89 wrote:

And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot
You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole?
Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is.
I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.

On May 29 2016 13:09 Diabolique wrote:

Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...