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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 20:26:48
May 28 2016 20:26 GMT
#161
On May 29 2016 05:17 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 03:06 Diabolique wrote:
On May 29 2016 03:03 Elentos wrote:
On May 29 2016 02:59 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote:
Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"

Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!

They were trolls that eventually got banned. SackOfWetMice would continuously claim that Zest is a no-skill Patchtoss (in the LR thread of a tournament that Zest ended up winning), while swag_bro would claim that a player is in a slump should he lose or that the same player is the best in the world should he win.

So what Silvana is implying is that you're not exactly a quality poster but at least your posts are funny.

Oooooh!!! Finally!!! Thank you!!!
It is so stupid when you are the only one, who cannot laugh about jokes about you ... because you are the only one, who does not understand them ...

On May 29 2016 01:52 bestviva wrote:
Guys! You all think too much. why is Zest a Titan? because he has a body just like the Greek's gods, it's not about winrate not about titles, it just about stuchiu's pure adoration about a SC2 progamer's body(sounds weird )

Case closed. That's it.


Anyway ,,, finally someone wrote the truth!!!


You must know that being compared with swag_bro is a compliment

Joking aside, I don't think your posts are bad quality (except some regarding certain controversial topic), but I do have trouble sometimes tellling whether you're being serious or poking fun. In any case, it's all good <3

No problem ... I am just still a newbie here on this site, so I do not know swag_bro or the sack of mice things, so I have no idea what it means ... if it is positive or negative or if it's an insult ... but never mind.

I am not that serious (except when I comment Noonius's love towards Maru), just here, when I saw the "Zest is best" hype train, just a few days after he had a series of losses, I had to tease it a bit ;-)

sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
May 28 2016 20:33 GMT
#162
On May 29 2016 05:26 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 05:17 Silvana wrote:
On May 29 2016 03:06 Diabolique wrote:
On May 29 2016 03:03 Elentos wrote:
On May 29 2016 02:59 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote:
Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"

Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!

They were trolls that eventually got banned. SackOfWetMice would continuously claim that Zest is a no-skill Patchtoss (in the LR thread of a tournament that Zest ended up winning), while swag_bro would claim that a player is in a slump should he lose or that the same player is the best in the world should he win.

So what Silvana is implying is that you're not exactly a quality poster but at least your posts are funny.

Oooooh!!! Finally!!! Thank you!!!
It is so stupid when you are the only one, who cannot laugh about jokes about you ... because you are the only one, who does not understand them ...

On May 29 2016 01:52 bestviva wrote:
Guys! You all think too much. why is Zest a Titan? because he has a body just like the Greek's gods, it's not about winrate not about titles, it just about stuchiu's pure adoration about a SC2 progamer's body(sounds weird )

Case closed. That's it.


Anyway ,,, finally someone wrote the truth!!!


You must know that being compared with swag_bro is a compliment

Joking aside, I don't think your posts are bad quality (except some regarding certain controversial topic), but I do have trouble sometimes tellling whether you're being serious or poking fun. In any case, it's all good <3

No problem ... I am just still a newbie here on this site, so I do not know swag_bro or the sack of mice things, so I have no idea what it means ... if it is positive or negative or if it's an insult ... but never mind.

I am not that serious (except when I comment Noonius's love towards Maru), just here, when I saw the "Zest is best" hype train, just a few days after he had a series of losses, I had to tease it a bit ;-)



Zest is best has been a fanchant for a long time now, stop teasing us Zest's fan, we know how often he derps
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
May 28 2016 22:33 GMT
#163
Zest is simply best!
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
Taari
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany138 Posts
May 28 2016 22:53 GMT
#164
Zest is best. 'Nuff said.
Happy, herO, Neeb, Zest, uThermal, Welmu, Creator, VortiX, ShoWTimE
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 23:19:35
May 28 2016 23:08 GMT
#165
On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

That's right.
When we talking about GOAT:

sOs had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and one so far in 2016.
Life had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and of course none in 2016.
herO had one offline championship in 2013, three in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Innovation had one offline championship in 2013, one in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Zest had none offline championship in 2013, four in 2014, one in 2015 and one so far in 2016.

So now you guys tell me who is more "stable" and has "healthier" condition during his career.
Also, do not forget to relate the results to their overall win rate, is 60% a magic number?
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 23:15:39
May 28 2016 23:13 GMT
#166
On May 29 2016 05:33 NinjaToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 05:26 Diabolique wrote:
On May 29 2016 05:17 Silvana wrote:
On May 29 2016 03:06 Diabolique wrote:
On May 29 2016 03:03 Elentos wrote:
On May 29 2016 02:59 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote:
Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"

Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!

They were trolls that eventually got banned. SackOfWetMice would continuously claim that Zest is a no-skill Patchtoss (in the LR thread of a tournament that Zest ended up winning), while swag_bro would claim that a player is in a slump should he lose or that the same player is the best in the world should he win.

So what Silvana is implying is that you're not exactly a quality poster but at least your posts are funny.

Oooooh!!! Finally!!! Thank you!!!
It is so stupid when you are the only one, who cannot laugh about jokes about you ... because you are the only one, who does not understand them ...

On May 29 2016 01:52 bestviva wrote:
Guys! You all think too much. why is Zest a Titan? because he has a body just like the Greek's gods, it's not about winrate not about titles, it just about stuchiu's pure adoration about a SC2 progamer's body(sounds weird )

Case closed. That's it.


Anyway ,,, finally someone wrote the truth!!!


You must know that being compared with swag_bro is a compliment

Joking aside, I don't think your posts are bad quality (except some regarding certain controversial topic), but I do have trouble sometimes tellling whether you're being serious or poking fun. In any case, it's all good <3

No problem ... I am just still a newbie here on this site, so I do not know swag_bro or the sack of mice things, so I have no idea what it means ... if it is positive or negative or if it's an insult ... but never mind.

I am not that serious (except when I comment Noonius's love towards Maru), just here, when I saw the "Zest is best" hype train, just a few days after he had a series of losses, I had to tease it a bit ;-)



Zest is best has been a fanchant for a long time now, stop teasing us Zest's fan, we know how often he derps

Often. Quite often.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 23:15:43
May 28 2016 23:15 GMT
#167
possibly the last player that may be able to surpass Mvp as the Greatest SC2 player of All Time


I thought Life already surpassed Mvp, just not in an ethical sense
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
May 28 2016 23:21 GMT
#168
On May 29 2016 08:15 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
possibly the last player that may be able to surpass Mvp as the Greatest SC2 player of All Time


I thought Life already surpassed Mvp, just not in an ethical sense

nah stuchiu is an Mvp fanboy so he still had Life #2
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 28 2016 23:28 GMT
#169
On May 29 2016 08:21 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 08:15 Bagration wrote:
possibly the last player that may be able to surpass Mvp as the Greatest SC2 player of All Time


I thought Life already surpassed Mvp, just not in an ethical sense

nah stuchiu is an Mvp fanboy so he still had Life #2

Mvp is a god. I think it makes sense for Life #1 after his second Blizzcon finals probably.

And then ethics.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
May 29 2016 00:08 GMT
#170
On May 28 2016 23:54 Incognoto wrote:
Maru > Zest


Guys, Life was Savior.

Zest is going to be the next Bisu.

But Maru is the next Flash. Flash also progressively ramped up in terms of power, as Maru is doing right now!


You know Maru has been playing SC2 for six years already right? Flash only played BW for what, 5 years total?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 29 2016 00:36 GMT
#171
On May 29 2016 08:08 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

That's right.
When we talking about GOAT:

sOs had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and one so far in 2016.
Life had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and of course none in 2016.
herO had one offline championship in 2013, three in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Innovation had one offline championship in 2013, one in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Zest had none offline championship in 2013, four in 2014, one in 2015 and one so far in 2016.

So now you guys tell me who is more "stable" and has "healthier" condition during his career.
Also, do not forget to relate the results to their overall win rate, is 60% a magic number?


Ultimately it's kind of meaningless to speculate on player legacies while they are still active. Who knows if a slump is a permanent or not? Most people definitely didn't see MMA winning 4 more premiers and getting to the Blizzcon finals after leaving Slayers in 2012.

Hell, MC might make some miracle comeback. Polt might continue to dominate the foreign scene and pick up more premiers, etc. etc.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-29 01:49:17
May 29 2016 01:37 GMT
#172
On May 29 2016 09:36 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 08:08 Alarak89 wrote:
On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

That's right.
When we talking about GOAT:

sOs had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and one so far in 2016.
Life had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and of course none in 2016.
herO had one offline championship in 2013, three in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Innovation had one offline championship in 2013, one in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Zest had none offline championship in 2013, four in 2014, one in 2015 and one so far in 2016.

So now you guys tell me who is more "stable" and has "healthier" condition during his career.
Also, do not forget to relate the results to their overall win rate, is 60% a magic number?


Ultimately it's kind of meaningless to speculate on player legacies while they are still active. Who knows if a slump is a permanent or not? Most people definitely didn't see MMA winning 4 more premiers and getting to the Blizzcon finals after leaving Slayers in 2012.

Hell, MC might make some miracle comeback. Polt might continue to dominate the foreign scene and pick up more premiers, etc. etc.

Yes, we don't know if a slump is a permanent or not, but at least, we can "predict" the future by looking at their "trend lines" from past since they have already played four years. It is clear who is more consistent atm after Kespa's transition on July 2012.
MMA, MC and Polt are not at same level as those five guys I listed above. If you think they have a chance to be GOAT in future, that's perfectly fine to me But again, I'm not gonna bother with "foreign" Koreans. Besides, their overall offline win rate are below 60% against Koreans anyway.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 02:00:21
May 29 2016 01:48 GMT
#173
BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:
All data numbers are from Aligulac.com

Including BO1 (ranked by games win rate):
1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67%
2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78%
3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72%
4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57%
5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68%
6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50%
7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16%
8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%

Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05%
2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97%
3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09%
4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86%
5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33%
6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82%
7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76%
8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%

Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00%
2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50%
3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44%
4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86%
5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80%
6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36%
7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27%
8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-29 02:37:26
May 29 2016 02:17 GMT
#174
PvT win rates:
1. sos 65.32% (in games)
bo3+ 75.00% (in matches)
bo5+ 90.91% (in matches)

2. rain 64.73% (in games)
bo3+ 70.49% (in matches)
bo5+ 57.89% (in matches)

3. parting 64.58% (in games)
bo3+ 72.73% (in matches)
bo5+ 62.50% (in matches)

4. hero 63.47% (in games)
bo3+ 67.80% (in matches)
bo5+ 73.33% (in matches)

5. dear 61.69% (in games)
bo3+ 71.11% (in matches)
bo5+ 87.50% (in matches)

6. classic 61.29% (in games)
bo3+ 61.29% (in matches)
bo5+ 62.50% (in matches)

7. stats 57.38% (in games)
bo3+ 55.17% (in matches)
bo5+ 60.00% (in matches)

8. zest 57.06% (in games)
bo3+ 57.45% (in matches)
bo5+ 50.00% (in matches)

PvZ win rates:
1. hero 65.13% (in games)
bo3+ 78.43% (in matches)
bo5+ 85.71% (in matches)

2. dear 64.90% (in games)
bo3+ 77.50% (in matches)
bo5+ 55.56% (in matches)

3. sos 64.06% (in games)
bo3+ 66.10% (in matches)
bo5+ 61.64% (in matches)

4. rain 63.13% (in games)
bo3+ 69.81% (in matches)
bo5+ 70.00% (in matches)

5. classic 62.18% (in games)
bo3+ 66.67% (in matches)
bo5+ 75.00% (in matches)

6. zest 57.40% (in games)
bo3+ 54.76% (in matches)
bo5+ 55.56% (in matches)

7. stats 56.20% (in games)
bo3+ 51.53% (in matches)
bo5+ 42.86% (in matches)

8. parting 55.52% (in games)
bo3+ 57.47% (in matches)
bo5+ 29.63% (in matches)

PvP win rates:
1. zest 67.02% (in games)
bo3+ 85.71% (in matches)
bo5+ 80.00% (in matches)

2. stats 65.33% (in games)
bo3+ 80.56% (in matches)
bo5+ 85.71% (in matches)

3. sos 62.07% (in games)
bo3+ 69.81% (in matches)
bo5+ 64.29% (in matches)

4. classic 58.51% (in games)
bo3+ 61.54% (in matches)
bo5+ 69.23% (in matches)

5. parting 57.20% (in games)
bo3+ 58.21% (in matches)
bo5+ 66.67% (in matches)

6. rain 56.06% (in games)
bo3+ 60.87% (in matches)
bo5+ 38.46% (in matches)

7. dear 55.75% (in games)
bo3+ 54.55% (in matches)
bo5+ 53.85% (in matches)

8. hero 55.47% (in games)
bo3+ 55.93% (in matches)
bo5+ 50.00% (in matches)

So again, who is more "stable" and "healthier"?
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
bestviva
Profile Joined July 2015
148 Posts
May 29 2016 02:24 GMT
#175
On May 29 2016 08:08 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

That's right.
When we talking about GOAT:

sOs had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and one so far in 2016.
Life had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and of course none in 2016.
herO had one offline championship in 2013, three in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Innovation had one offline championship in 2013, one in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Zest had none offline championship in 2013, four in 2014, one in 2015 and one so far in 2016.

So now you guys tell me who is more "stable" and has "healthier" condition during his career.
Also, do not forget to relate the results to their overall win rate, is 60% a magic number?


you remind me someone on another forum, always display massive data, but the only point behind these data is:SOS is the greatest player of all time, Life, MVP, whoever…they are nothing compare to SOS
but this guy never say it directly, he just want to use the data to convince you to admit SOS is the greatest, and he also like to deny other players achievement to make the one he likes look better
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-29 02:26:38
May 29 2016 02:24 GMT
#176
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:

Including BO1:
1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67%
2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78%
3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72%
4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57%
5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68%
6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50%
7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16%
8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%

Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05%
2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97%
3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09%
4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86%
5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33%
6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82%
7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76%
8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%

Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00%
2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50%
3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44%
4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86%
5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80%
6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36%
7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27%
8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%

Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".

By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
May 29 2016 02:48 GMT
#177
On May 29 2016 11:24 bestviva wrote:
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On May 29 2016 08:08 Alarak89 wrote:
On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

That's right.
When we talking about GOAT:

sOs had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and one so far in 2016.
Life had two offline championships in 2013, two in 2014, two in 2015 and of course none in 2016.
herO had one offline championship in 2013, three in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Innovation had one offline championship in 2013, one in 2014, two in 2015 and none so far in 2016.
Zest had none offline championship in 2013, four in 2014, one in 2015 and one so far in 2016.

So now you guys tell me who is more "stable" and has "healthier" condition during his career.
Also, do not forget to relate the results to their overall win rate, is 60% a magic number?


you remind me someone on another forum, always display massive data, but the only point behind these data is:SOS is the greatest player of all time, Life, MVP, whoever…they are nothing compare to SOS
but this guy never say it directly, he just want to use the data to convince you to admit SOS is the greatest, and he also like to deny other players achievement to make the one he likes look better

I don't know who you are talking about, but if that's true, then we do have something in common, we trust in numbers because they are objective, whereas people's "imagination" is subjective
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-29 03:41:07
May 29 2016 03:35 GMT
#178
On May 29 2016 11:24 Diabolique wrote:
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On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:

Including BO1:
1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67%
2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78%
3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72%
4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57%
5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68%
6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50%
7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16%
8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%

Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05%
2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97%
3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09%
4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86%
5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33%
6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82%
7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76%
8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%

Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00%
2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50%
3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44%
4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86%
5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80%
6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36%
7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27%
8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%

Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".

By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!

And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot
You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole?
Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is.
I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 29 2016 04:09 GMT
#179
On May 29 2016 12:35 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 11:24 Diabolique wrote:
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:

Including BO1:
1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67%
2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78%
3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72%
4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57%
5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68%
6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50%
7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16%
8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%

Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05%
2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97%
3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09%
4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86%
5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33%
6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82%
7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76%
8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%

Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00%
2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50%
3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44%
4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86%
5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80%
6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36%
7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27%
8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%

Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".

By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!

And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot
You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole?
Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is.
I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.

Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
May 29 2016 04:36 GMT
#180
On May 29 2016 13:09 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 12:35 Alarak89 wrote:
On May 29 2016 11:24 Diabolique wrote:
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:

Including BO1:
1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67%
2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78%
3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72%
4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57%
5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68%
6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50%
7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16%
8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%

Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05%
2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97%
3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09%
4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86%
5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33%
6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82%
7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76%
8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%

Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate):
1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00%
2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50%
3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44%
4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86%
5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80%
6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36%
7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27%
8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%

Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".

By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!

And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot
You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole?
Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is.
I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.

Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...

Unfortunately, there are few individual tournaments left in Korea.
Yeah, he lost many Bo1 in SPL, but only Bo5+ matches will tell a player is strong enough or not, at least Bo3.
We'll see though
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
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