On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote: BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:
Including BO1: 1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67% 2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78% 3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72% 4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57% 5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68% 6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50% 7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16% 8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%
Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05% 2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97% 3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09% 4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86% 5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33% 6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82% 7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76% 8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%
Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00% 2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50% 3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44% 4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86% 5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80% 6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36% 7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27% 8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%
Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".
By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!
And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole? Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is. I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.
Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...
Unfortunately, there are few individual tournaments left in Korea. Yeah, he lost many Bo1 in SPL, but only Bo5+ matches will tell a player is strong enough or not, at least Bo3. We'll see though
I know, he would need some foreign individual tournaments to "catch the wind" again, as he did last year at MLG ... I am afraid, he does not have much chance to get to BlizzCon this year, let's hope ...
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote: BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:
Including BO1: 1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67% 2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78% 3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72% 4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57% 5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68% 6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50% 7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16% 8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%
Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05% 2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97% 3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09% 4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86% 5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33% 6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82% 7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76% 8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%
Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00% 2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50% 3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44% 4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86% 5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80% 6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36% 7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27% 8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%
Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".
By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!
And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole? Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is. I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.
Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...
Unfortunately, there are few individual tournaments left in Korea. Yeah, he lost many Bo1 in SPL, but only Bo5+ matches will tell a player is strong enough or not, at least Bo3. We'll see though
I know, he would need some foreign individual tournaments to "catch the wind" again, as he did last year at MLG ... I am afraid, he does not have much chance to get to BlizzCon this year, let's hope ...
Well, I rather hope he can get a GSL/SSL champion instead of BlizzCon to complete "the Grand Slam" Also don't forget, he might play with AlphaGo at the end of this year too, so it will be a really busy year for him if he won GSL/SSL S2
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote: Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"
Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!
They were trolls that eventually got banned. SackOfWetMice would continuously claim that Zest is a no-skill Patchtoss (in the LR thread of a tournament that Zest ended up winning), while swag_bro would claim that a player is in a slump should he lose or that the same player is the best in the world should he win.
So what Silvana is implying is that you're not exactly a quality poster but at least your posts are funny.
Oooooh!!! Finally!!! Thank you!!! It is so stupid when you are the only one, who cannot laugh about jokes about you ... because you are the only one, who does not understand them ...
On May 29 2016 01:52 bestviva wrote: Guys! You all think too much. why is Zest a Titan? because he has a body just like the Greek's gods, it's not about winrate not about titles, it just about stuchiu's pure adoration about a SC2 progamer's body(sounds weird )
Case closed. That's it.
Anyway ,,, finally someone wrote the truth!!!
You must know that being compared with swag_bro is a compliment
Joking aside, I don't think your posts are bad quality (except some regarding certain controversial topic), but I do have trouble sometimes tellling whether you're being serious or poking fun. In any case, it's all good <3
No problem ... I am just still a newbie here on this site, so I do not know swag_bro or the sack of mice things, so I have no idea what it means ... if it is positive or negative or if it's an insult ... but never mind.
I am not that serious (except when I comment Noonius's love towards Maru), just here, when I saw the "Zest is best" hype train, just a few days after he had a series of losses, I had to tease it a bit ;-)
Wait, I see your # of posts made on TL and I wonder how you are a newbie? Even I remember swag_bro.
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote: BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:
Including BO1: 1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67% 2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78% 3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72% 4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57% 5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68% 6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50% 7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16% 8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%
Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05% 2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97% 3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09% 4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86% 5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33% 6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82% 7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76% 8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%
Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00% 2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50% 3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44% 4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86% 5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80% 6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36% 7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27% 8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%
Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".
By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!
And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole? Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is. I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.
Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...
Unfortunately, there are few individual tournaments left in Korea. Yeah, he lost many Bo1 in SPL, but only Bo5+ matches will tell a player is strong enough or not, at least Bo3. We'll see though
I know, he would need some foreign individual tournaments to "catch the wind" again, as he did last year at MLG ... I am afraid, he does not have much chance to get to BlizzCon this year, let's hope ...
Well, I rather hope he can get a GSL/SSL champion instead of BlizzCon to complete "the Grand Slam" Also don't forget, he might play with AlphaGo at the end of this year too, so it will be a really busy year for him if he won GSL/SSL S2
I'm pretty sure Google never said anything about that happening this year.
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote: BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:
Including BO1: 1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67% 2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78% 3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72% 4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57% 5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68% 6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50% 7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16% 8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%
Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05% 2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97% 3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09% 4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86% 5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33% 6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82% 7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76% 8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%
Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00% 2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50% 3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44% 4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86% 5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80% 6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36% 7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27% 8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%
Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".
By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!
And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole? Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is. I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.
Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...
Unfortunately, there are few individual tournaments left in Korea. Yeah, he lost many Bo1 in SPL, but only Bo5+ matches will tell a player is strong enough or not, at least Bo3. We'll see though
I know, he would need some foreign individual tournaments to "catch the wind" again, as he did last year at MLG ... I am afraid, he does not have much chance to get to BlizzCon this year, let's hope ...
Well, I rather hope he can get a GSL/SSL champion instead of BlizzCon to complete "the Grand Slam" Also don't forget, he might play with AlphaGo at the end of this year too, so it will be a really busy year for him if he won GSL/SSL S2
I'm pretty sure Google never said anything about that happening this year.
Mvp had periods of losing matches as well. He won tournaments in the end though. There were people with better overall winrates I assume. Yet Mvp was the one winning GSLs.
Nobody currently active comes as close to that ability as Zest. Dominated 2014 harder than anyone has since Mvp. "Slumped" throughout 2015 (was still tied best Proleague player by the end and won an IEM WC). 2016 and he dominates the first GSL, dropping 3 maps total, beating down all 3 of the other semifinalists on his way. Still one of the best Proleague players. GSL seed, qualified for SSL challenger. Yes he's lost matches since, but the only reason why you're even pointing this out is because he didn't before. When you're dominating as hard as he was, it's almost impossible not to fall off a tiny bit.
Getting beaten by Stats, possibly the #1 in form player, and a couple dodgy losses here and there don't change the big picture. Zest dominated GSL, he's either the outright best player in the world or up there with a select 1-4, and he's in prime position to continue his success.
So what on earth makes some people here think that sOs, who hadn't qualified for either GSL or SSL, has never won a GSL or SSL, is as close to rivaling Mvp according to stu's criteria and going forward, is absolutely beyond my understanding.
On May 29 2016 19:04 Olli wrote: Mvp had periods of losing matches as well. He won tournaments in the end though. There were people with better overall winrates I assume. Yet Mvp was the one winning GSLs.
Nobody currently active comes as close to that ability as Zest. Dominated 2014 harder than anyone has since Mvp. "Slumped" throughout 2015 (was still tied best Proleague player by the end and won an IEM WC). 2016 and he dominates the first GSL, dropping 3 maps total, beating down all 3 of the other semifinalists on his way. Still one of the best Proleague players. GSL seed, qualified for SSL challenger. Yes he's lost matches since, but the only reason why you're even pointing this out is because he didn't before. When you're dominating as hard as he was, it's almost impossible not to fall off a tiny bit.
Getting beaten by Stats, possibly the #1 in form player, and a couple dodgy losses here and there don't change the big picture. Zest dominated GSL, he's either the outright best player in the world or up there with a select 1-4, and he's in prime position to continue his success.
So what on earth makes some people here think that sOs, who hadn't qualified for either GSL or SSL, has never won a GSL or SSL, is as close to rivaling Mvp according to stu's criteria and going forward, is absolutely beyond my understanding.
It's just Jin Air fans. Maru n sOs are the GOAT's in their eyes Like the GOAT list stuch did, lots were trying to say sOs should be #1 or 2 or some shit.
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote: BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:
Including BO1: 1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67% 2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78% 3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72% 4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57% 5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68% 6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50% 7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16% 8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%
Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05% 2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97% 3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09% 4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86% 5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33% 6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82% 7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76% 8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%
Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00% 2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50% 3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44% 4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86% 5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80% 6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36% 7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27% 8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%
Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".
By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!
And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole? Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is. I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.
Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...
Unfortunately, there are few individual tournaments left in Korea. Yeah, he lost many Bo1 in SPL, but only Bo5+ matches will tell a player is strong enough or not, at least Bo3. We'll see though
I know, he would need some foreign individual tournaments to "catch the wind" again, as he did last year at MLG ... I am afraid, he does not have much chance to get to BlizzCon this year, let's hope ...
Well, I rather hope he can get a GSL/SSL champion instead of BlizzCon to complete "the Grand Slam" Also don't forget, he might play with AlphaGo at the end of this year too, so it will be a really busy year for him if he won GSL/SSL S2
I'm pretty sure Google never said anything about that happening this year.
On May 29 2016 19:04 Olli wrote: So what on earth makes some people here think that sOs, who hadn't qualified for either GSL or SSL, has never won a GSL or SSL, is as close to rivaling Mvp according to stu's criteria and going forward, is absolutely beyond my understanding.
it takes a special kind of person to be a dedicated sOs fan in the first place
This article is the perfect example where legitimate criticism gets drowned in fanboy shitposting Is sOs the GOAT? I don't think so. Is Zest the currently most dominating player. I would agree. Is he the last titan? Not really.
The gist of the article is that, according to stu's criteria, Zest is the only one currently active who's looking like he might challenge Mvp one day. And I would agree to that, unless Maru starts winning GSLs real soon or Innovation decides to be good again.
On May 29 2016 19:04 Olli wrote: Mvp had periods of losing matches as well. He won tournaments in the end though. There were people with better overall winrates I assume. Yet Mvp was the one winning GSLs.
Nobody currently active comes as close to that ability as Zest. Dominated 2014 harder than anyone has since Mvp. "Slumped" throughout 2015 (was still tied best Proleague player by the end and won an IEM WC). 2016 and he dominates the first GSL, dropping 3 maps total, beating down all 3 of the other semifinalists on his way. Still one of the best Proleague players. GSL seed, qualified for SSL challenger. Yes he's lost matches since, but the only reason why you're even pointing this out is because he didn't before. When you're dominating as hard as he was, it's almost impossible not to fall off a tiny bit.
Getting beaten by Stats, possibly the #1 in form player, and a couple dodgy losses here and there don't change the big picture. Zest dominated GSL, he's either the outright best player in the world or up there with a select 1-4, and he's in prime position to continue his success.
So what on earth makes some people here think that sOs, who hadn't qualified for either GSL or SSL, has never won a GSL or SSL, is as close to rivaling Mvp according to stu's criteria and going forward, is absolutely beyond my understanding.
It's just Jin Air fans. Maru n sOs are the GOAT's in their eyes Like the GOAT list stuch did, lots were trying to say sOs should be #1 or 2 or some shit.
It is not like sOs was winning some of the greatest tournaments of HOTS era...
On May 29 2016 10:48 Alarak89 wrote: BTW, below are the offline win rates for main Protoss players against Korean opponents atm:
Including BO1: 1. sos in games 63.67%, in matches 66.67% 2. rain in games 61.36%, in matches 66.78% 3. hero in games 60.82%, in matches 64.72% 4. zest in games 60.82%, in matches 63.57% 5. dear in games 60.54%, in matches 63.68% 6. classic in games 60.47%, in matches 62.50% 7. stats in games 59.60%, in matches 63.16% 8. parting in games 59.10%, in matches 62.54%
Only BO5+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 61.35%, in matches 71.05% 2. classic in games 60.32%, in matches 68.97% 3. hero in games 58.10%, in matches 68.09% 4. zest in games 59.38%, in matches 64.86% 5. dear in games 55.73%, in matches 63.33% 6. stats in games 52.56%, in matches 58.82% 7. rain in games 52.63%, in matches 54.76% 8. parting in games 52.96%, in matches 48.28%
Only BO3+ (ranked by matches win rate): 1. sos in games 63.74%, in matches 70.00% 2. rain in games 60.17%, in matches 67.50% 3. dear in games 60.96%, in matches 67.44% 4. hero in games 60.20%, in matches 66.86% 5. zest in games 60.10%, in matches 64.80% 6. classic in games 60.27%, in matches 63.36% 7. stats in games 58.12%, in matches 63.27% 8. parting in games 58.90%, in matches 63.22%
Sorry man, nobody cares about the statistics ... you heard it here, "Zest is Best" and it doesn't help to prove it wrong, he has the best body, the most passionate supporters, even if his winning rate decreases below 50%, he will still be Best. Because it is in fact his name, "Zest the Best".
By the way, it is nice to see that sOs still keeps good winning rates despite the deep hole, in which he was in the first half of 2016. Now it can only go up!!! His performance against Losira and TY in the Proleague finals was awesome!
And Zest has the best glasses ever, right? Learn more math/stats man, it can tell you a lot You think sOs was in a deep hole in first half of 2016? Yes, he was in a hole at very beginning, but that's not a "deep" hole and only because there were not enough individual tournaments in Korea. Don't forget, he had an offline championship in 2016 already. If a champion was in a "deep hole", then what about other players? In a "super deep" hole? Again, do not use your "imagination", always keep track of their win rate and that's the simplest and most effective way to "visualize" their current status. If the win rate for a player is growing constantly, then there is no way he is in a "deep hole" And because sOs's win rate didn't drop much even he was "in a hole", I knew he will be back eventually and there he is. I would say remember their win rate and check it back every two months, you will save tons of time to evaluate their form This is not just for sOs, it is useful to any player.
Well, for me, sOs was in a deep hole all the time between the last IEM victory and his victory against Stats in the Proleague finals. Why? Because he has lost against every reasonably good player, even some mediocre players, he has beaten only a few poor players. So here his winrate did not mean anything for me. And he is not back yet, even when I very much hope so, but we will see it in GSL and SSL in the coming weeks ...
Unfortunately, there are few individual tournaments left in Korea. Yeah, he lost many Bo1 in SPL, but only Bo5+ matches will tell a player is strong enough or not, at least Bo3. We'll see though
I know, he would need some foreign individual tournaments to "catch the wind" again, as he did last year at MLG ... I am afraid, he does not have much chance to get to BlizzCon this year, let's hope ...
Well, I rather hope he can get a GSL/SSL champion instead of BlizzCon to complete "the Grand Slam" Also don't forget, he might play with AlphaGo at the end of this year too, so it will be a really busy year for him if he won GSL/SSL S2
I'm pretty sure Google never said anything about that happening this year.
That's why I'm saying "might"
I don't think there's any possibility of it happening this year. From scratch creating an AI capable of competing with a top level Korean pro in SC2? No way they can do that in less than 9 months.
On May 29 2016 19:25 Olli wrote: The gist of the article is that, according to stu's criteria, Zest is the only one currently active who's looking like he might challenge Mvp one day. And I would agree to that, unless Maru starts winning GSLs real soon or Innovation decides to be good again.
But that's a completely nonsensical conclusion, in the view of the Zest's previous slump. Zest himself shows that current form is not a good long-term indicator, yet his current form is used as a current indicator. Innovation is the perfect counterpoint: he has enough legacy that by simply getting good again, he's suddenly gonna be a big GOAT competitor. There are not too many such people left - if Stats starts dominating now for some reason, he needs years to be considered a Mvp challenger, but they do exist and unless they Life themselves away, the only upper hand Zest has is the current form.
On May 29 2016 19:04 Olli wrote: Mvp had periods of losing matches as well. He won tournaments in the end though. There were people with better overall winrates I assume. Yet Mvp was the one winning GSLs.
Nobody currently active comes as close to that ability as Zest. Dominated 2014 harder than anyone has since Mvp. "Slumped" throughout 2015 (was still tied best Proleague player by the end and won an IEM WC). 2016 and he dominates the first GSL, dropping 3 maps total, beating down all 3 of the other semifinalists on his way. Still one of the best Proleague players. GSL seed, qualified for SSL challenger. Yes he's lost matches since, but the only reason why you're even pointing this out is because he didn't before. When you're dominating as hard as he was, it's almost impossible not to fall off a tiny bit.
Getting beaten by Stats, possibly the #1 in form player, and a couple dodgy losses here and there don't change the big picture. Zest dominated GSL, he's either the outright best player in the world or up there with a select 1-4, and he's in prime position to continue his success.
So what on earth makes some people here think that sOs, who hadn't qualified for either GSL or SSL, has never won a GSL or SSL, is as close to rivaling Mvp according to stu's criteria and going forward, is absolutely beyond my understanding.
It's just Jin Air fans. Maru n sOs are the GOAT's in their eyes Like the GOAT list stuch did, lots were trying to say sOs should be #1 or 2 or some shit.
It is not like sOs was winning some of the greatest tournaments of HOTS era...
Hey I like sOs and think he's great. But people ranking him above Life or Mvp are just delusional.
On May 29 2016 19:04 Olli wrote: Mvp had periods of losing matches as well. He won tournaments in the end though. There were people with better overall winrates I assume. Yet Mvp was the one winning GSLs.
Nobody currently active comes as close to that ability as Zest. Dominated 2014 harder than anyone has since Mvp. "Slumped" throughout 2015 (was still tied best Proleague player by the end and won an IEM WC). 2016 and he dominates the first GSL, dropping 3 maps total, beating down all 3 of the other semifinalists on his way. Still one of the best Proleague players. GSL seed, qualified for SSL challenger. Yes he's lost matches since, but the only reason why you're even pointing this out is because he didn't before. When you're dominating as hard as he was, it's almost impossible not to fall off a tiny bit.
Getting beaten by Stats, possibly the #1 in form player, and a couple dodgy losses here and there don't change the big picture. Zest dominated GSL, he's either the outright best player in the world or up there with a select 1-4, and he's in prime position to continue his success.
So what on earth makes some people here think that sOs, who hadn't qualified for either GSL or SSL, has never won a GSL or SSL, is as close to rivaling Mvp according to stu's criteria and going forward, is absolutely beyond my understanding.
It's just Jin Air fans. Maru n sOs are the GOAT's in their eyes Like the GOAT list stuch did, lots were trying to say sOs should be #1 or 2 or some shit.
It is not like sOs was winning some of the greatest tournaments of HOTS era...
Hey I like sOs and think he's great. But people ranking him above Life or Mvp are just delusional.
IIRC the greatest discussion about sOs was his 7th place in the best plaer of HOTS era. There's no Mvp in HOTS.
On May 29 2016 19:25 Olli wrote: The gist of the article is that, according to stu's criteria, Zest is the only one currently active who's looking like he might challenge Mvp one day. And I would agree to that, unless Maru starts winning GSLs real soon or Innovation decides to be good again.
But that's a completely nonsensical conclusion, in the view of the Zest's previous slump. Zest himself shows that current form is not a good long-term indicator, yet his current form is used as a current indicator. Innovation is the perfect counterpoint: he has enough legacy that by simply getting good again, he's suddenly gonna be a big GOAT competitor. There are not too many such people left - if Stats starts dominating now for some reason, he needs years to be considered a Mvp challenger, but they do exist and unless they Life themselves away, the only upper hand Zest has is the current form.
He also has the titles. Reminder, once again, because people have terrible memory: If Mvp has 4 GSLs and Life has 3, then Zest also has 3. Mvp's 4th was a Global Championship, Life's 3rd was Blizzard Cup. Zest's 3rd was a Global Championship.
Add to that his IEM WC, Kespa Cup. Add to that his Proleague achievements. Then add to that his current form.
Zest's "slump" included an IEM WC and the tied most Proleague wins. That's not exactly what Innovation is doing right now.
There's nobody whose outlook as nearly as good. Innovation has two GSLs and a WCS Season Finals, he's closest by these criteria. Maru has 2 titles and good form, he's looking closest to Zest. Innovation has 2 GSLs and a WCS Season Finals, but he sucks atm and is likely not making it into GSL again.
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