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On June 01 2016 00:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2016 22:01 Alarak89 wrote:On May 31 2016 20:53 Ingvar wrote:On May 31 2016 20:04 Alarak89 wrote:On May 31 2016 15:19 Kitai wrote:
In my eyes, protoss is the one race that hasn't had a consistent hero that was able to stay super dominant for a long period of time, besides maybe MC. Terran had MVP, TaeJa, Maru, and INnoVation, while zerg had Life, Nestea, and soO.
Zest, Rain, and Dear were all at one point hailed as the upcoming greatest protoss players of all time. It's nice to see Zest having a resurgence, but I'm really hesitant to hop on his hype train until he stays consistently ridiculously good for another few months. Of all the GOAT protoss contenders still playing today, I'd personally give the edge to sOs or MC even if they aren't at Zest's level this particular instant. So which probability is higher in the future? sOs win several GSL/SSL champions to be the GOAT, or MC win several Blizzcon champions to be the GOAT?  0 is equal to 0.  Nah, sOs supposes to get two offline champions each year (at least), that's his "tradition" Since he already got one this year, let's see what offline titles are left for the second half of 2016: GSL, SSL, Blizzcon and maybe HomeStory Cup? So make your choice Considering that his first title this year was rather unimportant, i would guess it to be Homestory cup
HSC is shaping up to be the most important tourney of the year outside of Korea anywhere. If nothing then for the high-level audience + Show Spoiler +
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On May 31 2016 21:05 NinjaToss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2016 11:19 bestviva wrote:On May 31 2016 10:03 Diabolique wrote:On May 31 2016 08:37 bestviva wrote:On May 31 2016 02:48 swissman777 wrote:On May 31 2016 02:16 bestviva wrote:On May 30 2016 23:13 Tiaraju9 wrote:
I have a peculiar relationship with Zest play. I took a break from Starcraft for most of 2014, precisely when Zest was playing like a god.
When I came back in 2015 there was this "Zest is best" talk going on, but Zest was not actually performing. The situation made me confused and back then I had this feeling that Zest is the most overrated player ever.
I just hope that he stays performing for more than 1 year this time. you missed most of the SC2 in 2014 and you claimed you felt Zest was the most overrated player ever？ so are you saying that things you dont know mean they dont exist ? yes, he didnt get any korean titles in 2015, but he was the most winning player in SPL of the year (with hero), how could a "overrated player" did that? I dont understand why you jin air fans being so mad about zest, and by the way, "zest is best " is fancheer, he is sure the best in his fans' eyes, just like sos and maru are the best in your JAGW fans' eyes, what is the point to even argue about? and since you are so despise him, I doubt that he staying performing even for more than 10 years would help I wasn't hating on zest, I was hating on KT player's dismissal on sOs. are you seriously?? have you ever READed your jin air fan comrades comments ?? "zest doesnt deserve the Titan title for his poor winrate" "TY is a loser" "zest is the most overrated" and suddenly it becomes "KT player's dismissal on sOs"？？ "TY is a loser" is not his quote, that is MY quote! And I said it only in relation when I mentioned that the Korean pros believe, that the strongest race on the top level are Terrans. But there is only one Terran, who shines and is beating all the other TOP players and it is not TY. And I got a reaction "And who else than TY?" ... so in this relation, among the TOP players, TY is really a loser. You can't take quotes out of the context. does it make any difference since the JAGW fans here share the same points anyway? 2 times GSL champion is the most overrated player, 1 time GSL runner-up is a REAL loser. KT sucks! that's all Dude, I think you should calm down, stop picking fight. JinAir fans already admit Zest is the best player right now, that's enough. That was the point of this whole great debate
Actually I'm quite calming down, and I'm not the one who picked up a fight which I would call it a little bit "defence" 
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On May 31 2016 16:41 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2016 15:19 Kitai wrote:
In my eyes, protoss is the one race that hasn't had a consistent hero that was able to stay super dominant for a long period of time, besides maybe MC. Terran had MVP, TaeJa, Maru, and INnoVation, while zerg had Life, Nestea, and soO.
Zest, Rain, and Dear were all at one point hailed as the upcoming greatest protoss players of all time. It's nice to see Zest having a resurgence, but I'm really hesitant to hop on his hype train until he stays consistently ridiculously good for another few months. Of all the GOAT protoss contenders still playing today, I'd personally give the edge to sOs or MC even if they aren't at Zest's level this particular instant. Consistent hero? What? Rain was one of the most stable macro P, Parting was one of the best players for the longest period(though his inability to get over RO8 in GSL was pretty painful). Yes, Zest had his slumping stage, but Mvp had his slump stages too(that's why he was an underdog in many tournaments he won), not mentioning Taeja who is named after Summer just because he can switch to god mode only with enough sunshine(why isn't he living in a desert?  ). C'mon, there is plenty of consistent Protoss players. I am still awed how people tend to mention only things they like (well, not really :D)
Actually, your point about Rain is valid and I'll give you that. As far as mentioning only things I like, the only two players I was ever a personal fan of on that list were TaeJa and Life.
On May 31 2016 20:04 Alarak89 wrote:So which probability is higher in the future? sOs win several GSL/SSL champions to be the GOAT, or MC win several Blizzcon champions to be the GOAT?
I think sOs has more korean championships in his future considering his strength is in breaking down his opponents rather than perfect game knowledge/mechanics. I think MC's time as a championship contender is done, but Zest still has a lot of work to do to surpass MC's legacy.
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I don't think he does. As far as Korea goes, he's already up there with MC's achievements, probably even higher.
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On June 01 2016 00:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2016 22:01 Alarak89 wrote:On May 31 2016 20:53 Ingvar wrote:On May 31 2016 20:04 Alarak89 wrote:On May 31 2016 15:19 Kitai wrote:
In my eyes, protoss is the one race that hasn't had a consistent hero that was able to stay super dominant for a long period of time, besides maybe MC. Terran had MVP, TaeJa, Maru, and INnoVation, while zerg had Life, Nestea, and soO.
Zest, Rain, and Dear were all at one point hailed as the upcoming greatest protoss players of all time. It's nice to see Zest having a resurgence, but I'm really hesitant to hop on his hype train until he stays consistently ridiculously good for another few months. Of all the GOAT protoss contenders still playing today, I'd personally give the edge to sOs or MC even if they aren't at Zest's level this particular instant. So which probability is higher in the future? sOs win several GSL/SSL champions to be the GOAT, or MC win several Blizzcon champions to be the GOAT? 0 is equal to 0. Nah, sOs supposes to get two offline champions each year (at least), that's his "tradition" Since he already got one this year, let's see what offline titles are left for the second half of 2016: GSL, SSL, Blizzcon and maybe HomeStory Cup? So make your choice Considering that his first title this year was rather unimportant, i would guess it to be Homestory cup
I know, right?
But unfortunately, due to the following reasons:
1. New Blizzcon format (no WCS points)
2. New SPL format (no time on weekend)
I don't think he will participate in HSC even if he got invited.
Oh, I almost forgot, any Kespa Cup this year?
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On June 01 2016 00:29 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 00:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 31 2016 22:01 Alarak89 wrote:On May 31 2016 20:53 Ingvar wrote:On May 31 2016 20:04 Alarak89 wrote:On May 31 2016 15:19 Kitai wrote:
In my eyes, protoss is the one race that hasn't had a consistent hero that was able to stay super dominant for a long period of time, besides maybe MC. Terran had MVP, TaeJa, Maru, and INnoVation, while zerg had Life, Nestea, and soO.
Zest, Rain, and Dear were all at one point hailed as the upcoming greatest protoss players of all time. It's nice to see Zest having a resurgence, but I'm really hesitant to hop on his hype train until he stays consistently ridiculously good for another few months. Of all the GOAT protoss contenders still playing today, I'd personally give the edge to sOs or MC even if they aren't at Zest's level this particular instant. So which probability is higher in the future? sOs win several GSL/SSL champions to be the GOAT, or MC win several Blizzcon champions to be the GOAT? 0 is equal to 0. Nah, sOs supposes to get two offline champions each year (at least), that's his "tradition" Since he already got one this year, let's see what offline titles are left for the second half of 2016: GSL, SSL, Blizzcon and maybe HomeStory Cup? So make your choice Considering that his first title this year was rather unimportant, i would guess it to be Homestory cup HSC is shaping up to be the most important tourney of the year outside of Korea anywhere. If nothing then for the high-level audience + Show Spoiler +
That's totally depending on who and how many Kespa top-tier players will be invited
If none of them has time on weekend due to new SPL format, then the quality of HSC will "stay same" as it usually does
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I regret to say, but this article is not very well written. Literally every player mentioned is somehow "the best player ever". Also, "MC hasn't been at his peak for years"? You make it sound like the game has been around for decades, rather than since five years ago.
And finally, if Zest could pull through his low period and make it back to the top, who's to say the other players you have mentioned who might be slumping at the moment won't do the same? You should have acknowledged the possibility, rather than ignore it in a way which detracts from your argument.
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