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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 14:58:59
May 28 2016 14:58 GMT
#141
Maru has been at around the same level for two years and has one trophy to show for I in that time. Unless he starts performing when it matters in individual leagues, he's not getting compared to Flash.
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 15:13:20
May 28 2016 15:12 GMT
#142
On May 28 2016 23:58 Olli wrote:
Maru has been at around the same level for two years and has one trophy to show for I in that time. Unless he starts performing when it matters in individual leagues, he's not getting compared to Flash.


Defends Protoss, attacks the Terran posterboy... You're gonna get more enemies than Stuchiu with his GOAT ranks!
evolsiefil
Profile Joined October 2015
143 Posts
May 28 2016 15:55 GMT
#143
Life = goat. Unless someone suddenly wins 3 consecutive gsl and a global final that will never change.
bestviva
Profile Joined July 2015
148 Posts
May 28 2016 16:52 GMT
#144
Guys! You all think too much. why is Zest a Titan? because he has a body just like the Greek's gods, it's not about winrate not about titles, it just about stuchiu's pure adoration about a SC2 progamer's body(sounds weird )

Case closed. That's it.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 28 2016 16:56 GMT
#145
^ Best post this thread.
Petition to rename NaDa's Body to Zest's Physique?
kiss kiss fall in love
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 28 2016 17:11 GMT
#146
Why is a supposedly predominantly male forum so fixated with bodies of other males? I for one don't see muscle as a quality I would care about. On the contrary, if I don't know you and the only noticeable thing about you is that you work out, I will probably approach you slightly less positively than without this information.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5612 Posts
May 28 2016 17:28 GMT
#147
The body of Zest! Sleek swimmer's body, all muscled up and toned!
The body of Zest! O, Lord Almighty, I wish I could call it my own!
Lord Almighty oooooooooo, I've never been so enticed!
Oh I wish I could have the body of Zest!
don't wall off against random
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 28 2016 17:32 GMT
#148
On May 29 2016 02:11 opisska wrote:
Why is a supposedly predominantly male forum so fixated with bodies of other males? I for one don't see muscle as a quality I would care about. On the contrary, if I don't know you and the only noticeable thing about you is that you work out, I will probably approach you slightly less positively than without this information.

You should bear in mind that most of us are also super bored while browsing, and shitposting staves off boredom and inevitable self-reflection.
kiss kiss fall in love
bestviva
Profile Joined July 2015
148 Posts
May 28 2016 17:43 GMT
#149
On May 29 2016 02:28 rotta wrote:
The body of Zest! Sleek swimmer's body, all muscled up and toned!
The body of Zest! O, Lord Almighty, I wish I could call it my own!
Lord Almighty oooooooooo, I've never been so enticed!
Oh I wish I could have the body of Zest!

it' s a public forum, please hold back a little bit…;-)
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
May 28 2016 17:54 GMT
#150
On May 29 2016 02:32 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 02:11 opisska wrote:
Why is a supposedly predominantly male forum so fixated with bodies of other males? I for one don't see muscle as a quality I would care about. On the contrary, if I don't know you and the only noticeable thing about you is that you work out, I will probably approach you slightly less positively than without this information.

You should bear in mind that most of us are also super bored while browsing, and shitposting staves off boredom and inevitable self-reflection masturbation.


Corrected for truth.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 28 2016 17:58 GMT
#151
On May 29 2016 02:32 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 02:11 opisska wrote:
Why is a supposedly predominantly male forum so fixated with bodies of other males? I for one don't see muscle as a quality I would care about. On the contrary, if I don't know you and the only noticeable thing about you is that you work out, I will probably approach you slightly less positively than without this information.

You should bear in mind that most of us are also super bored while browsing, and shitposting staves off boredom and inevitable self-reflection.


You don't really need to explain the concept of shitposting to me in particular I just find it weird that the bodies are such a frequent topic. Maybe it's because I am lazy and fat.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 18:04:53
May 28 2016 17:59 GMT
#152
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote:
Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"

Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!

On May 28 2016 21:41 gneGne wrote:
Zest overrated

My words! :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
May 28 2016 18:02 GMT
#153
Nice article, suchiu
I remember putting Zest on my anti-team back then... boy, was that a disaster xD Been a fan ever since.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
May 28 2016 18:03 GMT
#154
On May 29 2016 02:59 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote:
Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"

Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!

They were trolls that eventually got banned. SackOfWetMice would continuously claim that Zest is a no-skill Patchtoss (in the LR thread of a tournament that Zest ended up winning), while swag_bro would claim that a player is in a slump should he lose or that the same player is the best in the world should he win.

So what Silvana is implying is that you're not exactly a quality poster but at least your posts are funny.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 18:06:41
May 28 2016 18:05 GMT
#155
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 18:08:27
May 28 2016 18:06 GMT
#156
On May 29 2016 03:03 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 02:59 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote:
Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"

Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!

They were trolls that eventually got banned. SackOfWetMice would continuously claim that Zest is a no-skill Patchtoss (in the LR thread of a tournament that Zest ended up winning), while swag_bro would claim that a player is in a slump should he lose or that the same player is the best in the world should he win.

So what Silvana is implying is that you're not exactly a quality poster but at least your posts are funny.

Oooooh!!! Finally!!! Thank you!!!
It is so stupid when you are the only one, who cannot laugh about jokes about you ... because you are the only one, who does not understand them ...

On May 29 2016 01:52 bestviva wrote:
Guys! You all think too much. why is Zest a Titan? because he has a body just like the Greek's gods, it's not about winrate not about titles, it just about stuchiu's pure adoration about a SC2 progamer's body(sounds weird )

Case closed. That's it.


Anyway ,,, finally someone wrote the truth!!!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 18:11:55
May 28 2016 18:11 GMT
#157
On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I don't think it's right to say that Zest hasn't performed much better than sOs lately. Because aside from his 3-kill against KT, sOs has done nothing this year, while Zest won a GSL and did better in Proleague than sOs. And for "lately" I wouldn't really take anything into account that happened more than 6 months ago.

Which is not to say that that couldn't change soon, since sOs is sOs.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 18:23:24
May 28 2016 18:17 GMT
#158
On May 29 2016 03:11 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 03:05 ejozl wrote:
I don't mind people hyping up Zest, though I don't personally think he's performed much greater than sOs or Stats lately. Saying he's the last titan is quite a stretch. There's quite a few contenders to eventually compete with the current GOAT Life. These are as an example sOs and herO. Furthermore saying Rain and Marineking were titans and then not acknowledging sOs and herO as current titans is quite foolish.

I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I don't think it's right to say that Zest hasn't performed much better than sOs lately. Because aside from his 3-kill against KT, sOs has done nothing this year, while Zest won a GSL and did better in Proleague than sOs. And for "lately" I wouldn't really take anything into account that happened more than 6 months ago.

Which is not to say that that couldn't change soon, since sOs is sOs.

Exactly ... Zest was shaky in the last two weeks, while sOs showed so far his best play in LotV. He seems to be clearly on the way up now. Not only his three wins against KT, but also the level of play was great. Primarily in the games against Losira and TY. In the game against Stats, he was not playing well up to the moment, when his aggression failed and he practically lost the game ... first since this moment, he started to take the perfect risks, perfect executions and fights and won the game. Therefore, I can't wait for the second season of the Starleagues as I expect big things from him. In the same manner, Zest was so dominant in the first season that I expect a time off from him now.


We will see soon:
Group D
June 23, 2016 - 13:00 KST
3w 4d
1. South Korea Zerg Losira -
2. South Korea Protoss Zest -
3. South Korea Terran Maru -
4. South Korea Protoss Super -
5. South Korea Protoss herO -
6. South Korea Terran Reality -

That will tell us something about the recent form of Zest ... quite enthusiastic about this weird format!!! It will be great!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
May 28 2016 18:40 GMT
#159
On May 28 2016 21:06 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 21:04 swissman777 wrote:
On May 28 2016 20:50 Elentos wrote:
On May 28 2016 19:51 swissman777 wrote:
On May 28 2016 19:42 Elentos wrote:
On May 28 2016 19:40 swissman777 wrote:
On May 28 2016 18:43 Elentos wrote:
On May 28 2016 18:33 swissman777 wrote:
People keep on saying that zest is the best player right now, but stats keeps on beating him so idk...

They've only played once in LotV.


Yes, and LotV came out very recently so we don't have a lot of data to work with in the first place.

Yeah but I dunno why you say "Stats keeps on beating him". They were exactly even in HotS (which isn't relevant in regards to Zest being the best player right now) and in LotV they've only played once. So I don't really understand what you were trying to say with that.

Well I didn't say in terms of just LotV but just recently, including late 2015 as well. Otherwise, we can't say zest usually has sOs' number or that dark would usually beat maru and etc.

Well historically Zest and Stats went 2-0, 1-3, 3-1, 0-2, 1-3 (7-9 total in maps). 4 of those were in HotS but people would call you silly if you doubted that Zest was the overall better player throughout HotS based on that record alone. And in the same vein, Zest's record against Stats alone isn't really enough to doubt Zest's position as the best player (if you add in other factors you might have something though).

In general these head to head records are often just weird. Like sOs having problems with INnoVation historically is just strange and doesn't really add up (it's sOs's best MU and INnoVation's worst, sOs plays a very particular style that most other Terrans have huge trouble figuring out, even when they're better against Protoss than INnoVation).

Head to head records may not count if the other player was bad such as the match history with flash and stardust in BW. Flash is still considered the best.
However, if a good player cannot seem to surpass another good player, then the player can't be seen as the best player as the other player is beating him and everyone else. Likewise, Stats is in a great form currently and was in 2015 as much as zest was imo. So taking that into consideration, zest still needs to surpass stats in my view to be the best right now.

Stats can't beat Maru while Zest has beaten Maru more than once in LotV. Therefore Stats can't be the best either. But Maru hasn't beaten Zest in a longer series in a long time. So he can't be the best. But Zest isn't the best either. Which means nobody is the best. Which is implausible.

You should know this line of logic doesn't hold up. Someone has to be the best, but your approach makes it nearly impossible for such a person to exist. Everyone has at least that one player they struggle with. Especially if you take matches from a different expansion into account.

But we are talking of zest's form right now aren't we? Or were we talking overall best? If the former, then it's quite possible to be beating everyone.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 28 2016 20:17 GMT
#160
On May 29 2016 03:06 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 03:03 Elentos wrote:
On May 29 2016 02:59 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 16:03 Silvana wrote:
Diabolique is not the next sackofwetmice, he is more like swag_bro: "Zest is in a slump!"

Grrrrr!!!! I do not now the sack of wer mice, I also do not know the swar bro!!! Bastards!!! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate! Translate!

They were trolls that eventually got banned. SackOfWetMice would continuously claim that Zest is a no-skill Patchtoss (in the LR thread of a tournament that Zest ended up winning), while swag_bro would claim that a player is in a slump should he lose or that the same player is the best in the world should he win.

So what Silvana is implying is that you're not exactly a quality poster but at least your posts are funny.

Oooooh!!! Finally!!! Thank you!!!
It is so stupid when you are the only one, who cannot laugh about jokes about you ... because you are the only one, who does not understand them ...

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 01:52 bestviva wrote:
Guys! You all think too much. why is Zest a Titan? because he has a body just like the Greek's gods, it's not about winrate not about titles, it just about stuchiu's pure adoration about a SC2 progamer's body(sounds weird )

Case closed. That's it.


Anyway ,,, finally someone wrote the truth!!!


You must know that being compared with swag_bro is a compliment

Joking aside, I don't think your posts are bad quality (except some regarding certain controversial topic), but I do have trouble sometimes tellling whether you're being serious or poking fun. In any case, it's all good <3
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