Big name tournaments don't necessarily correspond to the hardest tournaments
You can use this kind of selective sampling to try and prove/disprove anything you want for all the elite players. Everyone has had the draw break right for them on multiple occasions, while on others losing much earlier than they should have (specifically Korean Starleagues) because of ridiculous early match-ups.
At some point you just have to make a personal value judgement on which tournaments should be weighted the most, and how much more you factor in holding the trophy compared to continual high finishes.
And most contentiously, how to weight the weekender foreign champions against those being asked to carry their teams every week in PL while simultaneously performing in the Korean individual ones.
It isn't selective sampling though. People are talking about his Blizzcon / IEM wins as if they should be the most praised runs of all time; my point is that they were good, but were far from the toughest. People should stop being blinded by the 'Top 16 players in the World' hype and actually look at the players he had to beat.
Today I learned that Parting, Rain, Rogue, and Life were all outside the top 16 in late 2015. Whereas Maru's run at the same tournament (3-0 loss to Rogue in round 1) was really good.
At IEM WC, he beat Taeja and herO, the latter of whom had two recent premier wins, second place in Kespa Cup, and a bunch more premier wins throughout that year such that he ended the year rank 1 in WCS points (playing from Korea). Once again, not really weak players.
sOs also beat Innovation, Rain, and TY in the Hot6ix Cup, another massive tournament which he won. He also had two all-kills in premier team leagues. He also won MSI, beating Innovation (again), and Solar to do so. He also got Most Wins in the 2013 Proleague.
People are claiming that sOs is "inconsistent" because they arbitrarily decided that Ro8 is the most important, rather than Ro16 or Ro4, either of which he is far superior on, with no real logic behind that. The author of the article literally wrote a couple of throw-away sentences which amounted to "Maru is more consistent because he was in more Ro8s." Consistency isn't about making it to the QFs; it's about being able to repeatedly perform at the top level, and repeatedly win when it matters; like winning the world championships three times.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Maru or several of the other players in the top 6 are superior to sOs. The idea that Taeja is even in the top 10 is bizarre beyond belief. His achievements in HotS are in no way comparable to sOs, whether you look at consistency, peaks, team leagues, or the impact they had on the game.
sOs was just a vastly better player throughout HotS than most of the others here, and it's really silly to deny that, as many of the other commentators have noticed.
Generally agree w/ you Yonnua, but that's not the opinion of others here which is fine. My personal top seven from the initial PR thread for comparison: + Show Spoiler +
My final HOTS S class tier: 7) soO 6) herO 5) Zest 4) Maru 3) Life 2) sOs 1) Inno
Not having sOs at minimum in the top three seems problematic (since I feel Tier 1 has to be some order of Life, Inno, sOs). Seems I'm slightly higher on Taeja than you, but still have him in the 3rd tier w/ Rain, Classic, and PartinG (probably all of whom I slightly prefer).
this is a top#7 that the vast majority of people would agree with. I hope you will be doing the next one, so at least its not garbage
Big name tournaments don't necessarily correspond to the hardest tournaments
You can use this kind of selective sampling to try and prove/disprove anything you want for all the elite players. Everyone has had the draw break right for them on multiple occasions, while on others losing much earlier than they should have (specifically Korean Starleagues) because of ridiculous early match-ups.
At some point you just have to make a personal value judgement on which tournaments should be weighted the most, and how much more you factor in holding the trophy compared to continual high finishes.
And most contentiously, how to weight the weekender foreign champions against those being asked to carry their teams every week in PL while simultaneously performing in the Korean individual ones.
It isn't selective sampling though. People are talking about his Blizzcon / IEM wins as if they should be the most praised runs of all time; my point is that they were good, but were far from the toughest. People should stop being blinded by the 'Top 16 players in the World' hype and actually look at the players he had to beat.
Today I learned that Parting, Rain, Rogue, and Life were all outside the top 16 in late 2015. Whereas Maru's run at the same tournament (3-0 loss to Rogue in round 1) was really good.
At IEM WC, he beat Taeja and herO, the latter of whom had two recent premier wins, second place in Kespa Cup, and a bunch more premier wins throughout that year such that he ended the year rank 1 in WCS points (playing from Korea). Once again, not really weak players.
sOs also beat Innovation, Rain, and TY in the Hot6ix Cup, another massive tournament which he won. He also had two all-kills in premier team leagues. He also won MSI, beating Innovation (again), and Solar to do so. He also got Most Wins in the 2013 Proleague.
People are claiming that sOs is "inconsistent" because they arbitrarily decided that Ro8 is the most important, rather than Ro16 or Ro4, either of which he is far superior on, with no real logic behind that. The author of the article literally wrote a couple of throw-away sentences which amounted to "Maru is more consistent because he was in more Ro8s." Consistency isn't about making it to the QFs; it's about being able to repeatedly perform at the top level, and repeatedly win when it matters; like winning the world championships three times.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Maru or several of the other players in the top 6 are superior to sOs. The idea that Taeja is even in the top 10 is bizarre beyond belief. His achievements in HotS are in no way comparable to sOs, whether you look at consistency, peaks, team leagues, or the impact they had on the game.
sOs was just a vastly better player throughout HotS than most of the others here, and it's really silly to deny that, as many of the other commentators have noticed.
Generally agree w/ you Yonnua, but that's not the opinion of others here which is fine. My personal top seven from the initial PR thread for comparison: + Show Spoiler +
My final HOTS S class tier: 7) soO 6) herO 5) Zest 4) Maru 3) Life 2) sOs 1) Inno
Not having sOs at minimum in the top three seems problematic (since I feel Tier 1 has to be some order of Life, Inno, sOs). Seems I'm slightly higher on Taeja than you, but still have him in the 3rd tier w/ Rain, Classic, and PartinG (probably all of whom I slightly prefer).
this is a top#7 that the vast majority of people would agree with. I hope you will be doing the next one, so at least its not garbage
I have the feeling that i feed a troll at this point, but whatever. The vast majority would agree? How exactly do you come to this conclusion? Maybe i should do a "community power rank of hots" , that might be interesting. hmhm
Taeja over Maru,herO and sOs??? xd Gsl and Ssl are on another level if you compare to all other tournament,because u know what opponent u play and have a lot of time to prepare and every player can give 100% every time,studying opponent ecc... I can see Taeja at 8# or 7# but not top 5
Big name tournaments don't necessarily correspond to the hardest tournaments
You can use this kind of selective sampling to try and prove/disprove anything you want for all the elite players. Everyone has had the draw break right for them on multiple occasions, while on others losing much earlier than they should have (specifically Korean Starleagues) because of ridiculous early match-ups.
At some point you just have to make a personal value judgement on which tournaments should be weighted the most, and how much more you factor in holding the trophy compared to continual high finishes.
And most contentiously, how to weight the weekender foreign champions against those being asked to carry their teams every week in PL while simultaneously performing in the Korean individual ones.
It isn't selective sampling though. People are talking about his Blizzcon / IEM wins as if they should be the most praised runs of all time; my point is that they were good, but were far from the toughest. People should stop being blinded by the 'Top 16 players in the World' hype and actually look at the players he had to beat.
Today I learned that Parting, Rain, Rogue, and Life were all outside the top 16 in late 2015. Whereas Maru's run at the same tournament (3-0 loss to Rogue in round 1) was really good.
At IEM WC, he beat Taeja and herO, the latter of whom had two recent premier wins, second place in Kespa Cup, and a bunch more premier wins throughout that year such that he ended the year rank 1 in WCS points (playing from Korea). Once again, not really weak players.
sOs also beat Innovation, Rain, and TY in the Hot6ix Cup, another massive tournament which he won. He also had two all-kills in premier team leagues. He also won MSI, beating Innovation (again), and Solar to do so. He also got Most Wins in the 2013 Proleague.
People are claiming that sOs is "inconsistent" because they arbitrarily decided that Ro8 is the most important, rather than Ro16 or Ro4, either of which he is far superior on, with no real logic behind that. The author of the article literally wrote a couple of throw-away sentences which amounted to "Maru is more consistent because he was in more Ro8s." Consistency isn't about making it to the QFs; it's about being able to repeatedly perform at the top level, and repeatedly win when it matters; like winning the world championships three times.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Maru or several of the other players in the top 6 are superior to sOs. The idea that Taeja is even in the top 10 is bizarre beyond belief. His achievements in HotS are in no way comparable to sOs, whether you look at consistency, peaks, team leagues, or the impact they had on the game.
sOs was just a vastly better player throughout HotS than most of the others here, and it's really silly to deny that, as many of the other commentators have noticed.
Criticising Taeja yet sOs has only ever won weekenders too. Both have two Ro4s in GSL and apart from that its just weekend tournaments.
On March 04 2016 01:11 Ensiferum8 wrote: I think the vast majority of people here are really disappopinted by stuchiu awfull ranking. Im glad im not the only one. Honestly, its not even about personal preference.
Putting sOs #7 is not just personal preference, its just plain wrong.
Anyone with basic sc2 knowldge could say that sOs should be top 3. Meh, hopefully we see better stuff out of him. I thought stuchiu knew soo much about sc2, maybe i was wrong......
Maybe you should argue your point instead of making these comments over and over again without much reasoning. I didn't count, but i would bet that from all the comments which are about sOs being too low, you surely posted at least 50% of those
I counted, and theres at least 20 other comments about sOs being too low so yeah, im nto the only one whos complaining about stuchiu awfull ranking.
Also, i didnt thought i needed to proove my point. The evidence is right there. Thats the reason why im soo upset about this. Anybody with a sense of logic would have rated sOs higher, and coming from stuchiu, a writer that i considered really great (before this awfull article), im even mroe disappointed. I thought this list would try to be objective, not stuchiu random list of players.
I can argue all day that sOs should be at least, top 3, but its so obvious i shoudl not argue. Its like arguing that Messi is better than Balotelli. It should be obvious messi is the better one, but i guess stuchiu would say hes not as good because messi is blablabla (insert awfull arguments here).
Basically, winning 2 blizzcon, the biggest IEM ever, being the arguably the best in PL since forever should rank him way above Maru, Life (king of inconsistency and awfull in PL), Taeja and Zest.
Only inno could be higher.
And im not even an sOs fan. Im a fan of TY, Maru, FlaSh.
But im also a fan of logic and quality article, thats why stuchiu was a great writer for me before, and thats why im really disppointed now
Still mostly statements without much reasoning. Fact is that sOs did fairly poorly in korean starleagues in comparison to the other top players (except Taeja ) Korean starleagues will always be the most important factor because it's simply the highest form of competition you can find in sc2. Proleague surely should count as well though, but even then Maru,Zest have similar results there tbh. sOs basically 'only' has the big money tournament wins, you could argue that the money alone makes them the most prestigious, but i would disagree with that. At the end of the day the guys above sOs simply had better results overall (even though you actually could argue about Taeja) Your argument that "it's so obvious" is simply wrong and doesn't change the situation that you should argue your point further. Comparing sOs' case to Messi vs Balotelli is ridiculous btw.
Leagues need different set of skills. To win a weekend tournament you need different skills than to win a league. See soO, one of the most dominant Zergs of HotS yet how many times he won some tournament? Even amongst foreigners he ended 2nd to Solar, who was inferior player back then. Blizzcon soO was just a fail.
You cannot say that Korean leagues are harder to win when that;s just your subjective point. I say that if both competitions(weekend tournament & league) have the same players, both competitions have the same difficulty. Simply put several players have better skill set to shine during weekends(the top Taeja, sOs) and others have the proper set of skills to do good in leagues(in HotS soO). Some have both(Life).
If Korean leagues are so much harder to win why it is that their winners/runner ups end so badly in weekend tournaments, which are easier to win?
On March 04 2016 01:11 Ensiferum8 wrote: I think the vast majority of people here are really disappopinted by stuchiu awfull ranking. Im glad im not the only one. Honestly, its not even about personal preference.
Putting sOs #7 is not just personal preference, its just plain wrong.
Anyone with basic sc2 knowldge could say that sOs should be top 3. Meh, hopefully we see better stuff out of him. I thought stuchiu knew soo much about sc2, maybe i was wrong......
Maybe you should argue your point instead of making these comments over and over again without much reasoning. I didn't count, but i would bet that from all the comments which are about sOs being too low, you surely posted at least 50% of those
I counted, and theres at least 20 other comments about sOs being too low so yeah, im nto the only one whos complaining about stuchiu awfull ranking.
Also, i didnt thought i needed to proove my point. The evidence is right there. Thats the reason why im soo upset about this. Anybody with a sense of logic would have rated sOs higher, and coming from stuchiu, a writer that i considered really great (before this awfull article), im even mroe disappointed. I thought this list would try to be objective, not stuchiu random list of players.
I can argue all day that sOs should be at least, top 3, but its so obvious i shoudl not argue. Its like arguing that Messi is better than Balotelli. It should be obvious messi is the better one, but i guess stuchiu would say hes not as good because messi is blablabla (insert awfull arguments here).
Basically, winning 2 blizzcon, the biggest IEM ever, being the arguably the best in PL since forever should rank him way above Maru, Life (king of inconsistency and awfull in PL), Taeja and Zest.
Only inno could be higher.
And im not even an sOs fan. Im a fan of TY, Maru, FlaSh.
But im also a fan of logic and quality article, thats why stuchiu was a great writer for me before, and thats why im really disppointed now
Still mostly statements without much reasoning. Fact is that sOs did fairly poorly in korean starleagues in comparison to the other top players (except Taeja ) Korean starleagues will always be the most important factor because it's simply the highest form of competition you can find in sc2. Proleague surely should count as well though, but even then Maru,Zest have similar results there tbh. sOs basically 'only' has the big money tournament wins, you could argue that the money alone makes them the most prestigious, but i would disagree with that. At the end of the day the guys above sOs simply had better results overall (even though you actually could argue about Taeja) Your argument that "it's so obvious" is simply wrong and doesn't change the situation that you should argue your point further. Comparing sOs' case to Messi vs Balotelli is ridiculous btw.
Leagues need different set of skills. To win a weekend tournament you need different skills than to win a league. See soO, one of the most dominant Zergs of HotS yet how many times he won some tournament? Even amongst foreigners he ended 2nd to Solar, who was inferior player back then. Blizzcon soO was just a fail.
You cannot say that Korean leagues are harder to win when that;s just your subjective point. I say that if both competitions(weekend tournament & league) have the same players, both competitions have the same difficulty. Simply put several players have better skill set to shine during weekends(the top Taeja, sOs) and others have the proper set of skills to do good in leagues(in HotS soO). Some have both(Life).
If Korean leagues are so much harder to win why it is that their winners/runner ups end so badly in weekend tournaments, which are easier to win?
Yeah seriously, it doesn't matter if SoO in practice has been the best player in 2 years, if he doesn't have what it takes to become a champion. sOs is just that he's a freaking champion, when it truly matters that is when he flicks on the switch and tears down everyone.
On March 04 2016 01:11 Ensiferum8 wrote: I think the vast majority of people here are really disappopinted by stuchiu awfull ranking. Im glad im not the only one. Honestly, its not even about personal preference.
Putting sOs #7 is not just personal preference, its just plain wrong.
Anyone with basic sc2 knowldge could say that sOs should be top 3. Meh, hopefully we see better stuff out of him. I thought stuchiu knew soo much about sc2, maybe i was wrong......
Maybe you should argue your point instead of making these comments over and over again without much reasoning. I didn't count, but i would bet that from all the comments which are about sOs being too low, you surely posted at least 50% of those
I counted, and theres at least 20 other comments about sOs being too low so yeah, im nto the only one whos complaining about stuchiu awfull ranking.
Also, i didnt thought i needed to proove my point. The evidence is right there. Thats the reason why im soo upset about this. Anybody with a sense of logic would have rated sOs higher, and coming from stuchiu, a writer that i considered really great (before this awfull article), im even mroe disappointed. I thought this list would try to be objective, not stuchiu random list of players.
I can argue all day that sOs should be at least, top 3, but its so obvious i shoudl not argue. Its like arguing that Messi is better than Balotelli. It should be obvious messi is the better one, but i guess stuchiu would say hes not as good because messi is blablabla (insert awfull arguments here).
Basically, winning 2 blizzcon, the biggest IEM ever, being the arguably the best in PL since forever should rank him way above Maru, Life (king of inconsistency and awfull in PL), Taeja and Zest.
Only inno could be higher.
And im not even an sOs fan. Im a fan of TY, Maru, FlaSh.
But im also a fan of logic and quality article, thats why stuchiu was a great writer for me before, and thats why im really disppointed now
Still mostly statements without much reasoning. Fact is that sOs did fairly poorly in korean starleagues in comparison to the other top players (except Taeja ) Korean starleagues will always be the most important factor because it's simply the highest form of competition you can find in sc2. Proleague surely should count as well though, but even then Maru,Zest have similar results there tbh. sOs basically 'only' has the big money tournament wins, you could argue that the money alone makes them the most prestigious, but i would disagree with that. At the end of the day the guys above sOs simply had better results overall (even though you actually could argue about Taeja) Your argument that "it's so obvious" is simply wrong and doesn't change the situation that you should argue your point further. Comparing sOs' case to Messi vs Balotelli is ridiculous btw.
Leagues need different set of skills. To win a weekend tournament you need different skills than to win a league. See soO, one of the most dominant Zergs of HotS yet how many times he won some tournament? Even amongst foreigners he ended 2nd to Solar, who was inferior player back then. Blizzcon soO was just a fail.
You cannot say that Korean leagues are harder to win when that;s just your subjective point. I say that if both competitions(weekend tournament & league) have the same players, both competitions have the same difficulty. Simply put several players have better skill set to shine during weekends(the top Taeja, sOs) and others have the proper set of skills to do good in leagues(in HotS soO). Some have both(Life).
If Korean leagues are so much harder to win why it is that their winners/runner ups end so badly in weekend tournaments, which are easier to win?
They are completely different types of tournaments. GSL/SSL etc are all preparation based, you have loads of time to prepare specific builds on specific maps against your known opponent. I wouldn't say one is harder or easier to win, they are just different. It just depends on your specific skills.
Hence why Taeja won so many weekenders based on his solid mechanics and gameplay and failed to even win WCS NA. Fantastic player, but found lacking in preparation tournaments.
On March 04 2016 01:11 Ensiferum8 wrote: I think the vast majority of people here are really disappopinted by stuchiu awfull ranking. Im glad im not the only one. Honestly, its not even about personal preference.
Putting sOs #7 is not just personal preference, its just plain wrong.
Anyone with basic sc2 knowldge could say that sOs should be top 3. Meh, hopefully we see better stuff out of him. I thought stuchiu knew soo much about sc2, maybe i was wrong......
Maybe you should argue your point instead of making these comments over and over again without much reasoning. I didn't count, but i would bet that from all the comments which are about sOs being too low, you surely posted at least 50% of those
I counted, and theres at least 20 other comments about sOs being too low so yeah, im nto the only one whos complaining about stuchiu awfull ranking.
Also, i didnt thought i needed to proove my point. The evidence is right there. Thats the reason why im soo upset about this. Anybody with a sense of logic would have rated sOs higher, and coming from stuchiu, a writer that i considered really great (before this awfull article), im even mroe disappointed. I thought this list would try to be objective, not stuchiu random list of players.
I can argue all day that sOs should be at least, top 3, but its so obvious i shoudl not argue. Its like arguing that Messi is better than Balotelli. It should be obvious messi is the better one, but i guess stuchiu would say hes not as good because messi is blablabla (insert awfull arguments here).
Basically, winning 2 blizzcon, the biggest IEM ever, being the arguably the best in PL since forever should rank him way above Maru, Life (king of inconsistency and awfull in PL), Taeja and Zest.
Only inno could be higher.
And im not even an sOs fan. Im a fan of TY, Maru, FlaSh.
But im also a fan of logic and quality article, thats why stuchiu was a great writer for me before, and thats why im really disppointed now
Still mostly statements without much reasoning. Fact is that sOs did fairly poorly in korean starleagues in comparison to the other top players (except Taeja ) Korean starleagues will always be the most important factor because it's simply the highest form of competition you can find in sc2. Proleague surely should count as well though, but even then Maru,Zest have similar results there tbh. sOs basically 'only' has the big money tournament wins, you could argue that the money alone makes them the most prestigious, but i would disagree with that. At the end of the day the guys above sOs simply had better results overall (even though you actually could argue about Taeja) Your argument that "it's so obvious" is simply wrong and doesn't change the situation that you should argue your point further. Comparing sOs' case to Messi vs Balotelli is ridiculous btw.
Leagues need different set of skills. To win a weekend tournament you need different skills than to win a league. See soO, one of the most dominant Zergs of HotS yet how many times he won some tournament? Even amongst foreigners he ended 2nd to Solar, who was inferior player back then. Blizzcon soO was just a fail.
You cannot say that Korean leagues are harder to win when that;s just your subjective point. I say that if both competitions(weekend tournament & league) have the same players, both competitions have the same difficulty. Simply put several players have better skill set to shine during weekends(the top Taeja, sOs) and others have the proper set of skills to do good in leagues(in HotS soO). Some have both(Life).
If Korean leagues are so much harder to win why it is that their winners/runner ups end so badly in weekend tournaments, which are easier to win?
My point isn't necessarily that GSL/SSL is harder because of the format, it is harder because of the players competing in these tournaments. I agree that weekend tournaments have a different skillset, even though i disagree that soO for example did badly at weekend tournaments, losing to solar and Innovation in the final (in the FINAL) is simply a soO thing. He also won Kespa Cup which is a mixture of preparation and 'freestyle'.
The main difference is that most korean s class players simply don't have a lot of experience with travelling in general, jetlag, weekend style formats besides laddering and the most important factor, they wouldn't get experience because they almost never played in these tournaments to begin with. If every single foreign weekend tournament had all the "code s players" competing in them, it would be a lot easier to value these tournaments closely to korean starleagues. The fact is that there aren't the same players competing though, sure sometimes you will get a handful of s class players in an IEM/Dreamhack, but that's still not the same as GSL/SSL. This is the difference, this is why i don't value Taeja's achievements as highly as constant 'good results' in starleagues.
This is also the reason why i don't value sOs' performance over Maru's for example. The 100k tournaments he won are that highly regarded because, well, they had a big prize pool and the title 'blizzcon champion' The truth is that any Starleague you can win in korea is more prestigious.
tldr: Weekend tournaments and starleagues are hard to compare not (only) because of the difference in format, but because they don't share the same player talent pool (starleagues have the more skilled one BY FAR) This is the main reason they aren't in the same league of prestige.
It doesn't matter at what position Stuchiu is placing each player. This kind of post is not about the ranks themselves, So rather than calling things you don't agree with bullshit, just take it as an opportunity to discuss about the the relative strengths of the players during HoTS. Stuchiu is not some kind of SC god and his posts have no official value, he never claimed any of that so don't get pissed at his articles when you don't agree with it xD
What I like about it even when I disagree with it is how he justifies his choices and it end up making some sense, even if you have a different stance you can see why he picked players the way he did. If ranking was based on pure titles with bigger weights on GSL/SSL it would be entirely different. Same if it was only on pure consistency. This one tries to mix both criteria (and also the impact players had on their race playstyle) so obviously demarcation becomes more blurry.
On March 05 2016 00:30 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: It doesn't matter at what position Stuchiu is placing each player. This kind of post is not about the ranks themselves, So rather than calling things you don't agree with bullshit, just take it as an opportunity to discuss about the the relative strengths of the players during HoTS. Stuchiu is not some kind of SC god and his posts have no official value, he never claimed any of that so don't get pissed at his articles when you don't agree with it xD
What I like about it even when I disagree with it is how he justifies his choices and it end up making some sense, even if you have a different stance you can see why he picked players the way he did. If ranking was based on pure titles with bigger weights on GSL/SSL it would be entirely different. Same if it was only on pure consistency. This one tries to mix both criteria (and also the impact players had on their race playstyle) so obviously demarcation becomes more blurry.
Can you take the reason and logic out of here please? This is not the place for that /s
On March 04 2016 01:34 jpoiv wrote: How are people so salty about sos at #7 slot?
There is no way in a million years i'd put sos over maru, taeja, life, zest, innovation. Yeah he won a lot of money, but compared to sheer impact on the game, the meta, the style of how a race is played, and crucially the beauty of the games they've provided, he doesn't hold a candle to those other guys. Not even close. He wins tournaments, but in terms of the games he has actually left behind in his wake, what the content actually IS, it's totally clear who ranks above him. There's more to this game than simply winning, as much as literalists would like to simplify history, or redefine sc by a singular champion...which would be a rewritting of what starcraft has been over the years.
This is one of the more hilariously odd things I've ever seen listed. If our main criteria is now prettiness of play to judge greatness, then we really are near the end and might as well pack up and GG out. Not sure if you followed BW, but Flash didn't ascend to God tier because his play-style made games beautiful to behold.
If the guy who won two of the three biggest tournaments ever, along w/ the richest IEM WC ever,
along w/ the most stacked Hot6ix Cup ever,
who had multiple top-four GSL finishes along w/ insane PL stats and was co-anchor to one of the winningest teams,
who went on perhaps the most dominant stretch ever seen in SC2 between 1st and 2nd rounds of the season ending playoffs last year (defeated Zest on D1. Then reverse all-kill of Flash, TY, Zest, Stats to defeat KT on D2 to eliminate the defending champions. Then against CJ in semis, defeated Byul on D1, and sent JAGW to the grand finals after defeating herO and Byul on D2),
and ended the HOTS era by defeating the consensus GOAT at his own game on the biggest stage of all in possibly the closest and most insane BO7 GF ever,
if this guy can't hold a candle to the five other names you've listed, I'd very much like to know what you're smoking.
I dunno if you can call 4 days perhaps the most dominant stretch ever seen in sc2..
Obviously sOs can hold a candle to everyone above him. He's one of the best players out there and on his day can make anyone look silly. Doesn't mean he deserves to be top 5 though.
What? How did you come up the 4days of dominance?
sOs has been in beast mode from MSI tournament up until Blizzcon. He absolutely wrecked everybody during that time, not only in individual tournaments but also in team league. Never forget his double all-kill in the Proleagues final.
That is as dominant as a player can get in Hots, on par with Life's run at the end of 2014.
On March 04 2016 01:34 jpoiv wrote: How are people so salty about sos at #7 slot?
There is no way in a million years i'd put sos over maru, taeja, life, zest, innovation. Yeah he won a lot of money, but compared to sheer impact on the game, the meta, the style of how a race is played, and crucially the beauty of the games they've provided, he doesn't hold a candle to those other guys. Not even close. He wins tournaments, but in terms of the games he has actually left behind in his wake, what the content actually IS, it's totally clear who ranks above him. There's more to this game than simply winning, as much as literalists would like to simplify history, or redefine sc by a singular champion...which would be a rewritting of what starcraft has been over the years.
This is one of the more hilariously odd things I've ever seen listed. If our main criteria is now prettiness of play to judge greatness, then we really are near the end and might as well pack up and GG out. Not sure if you followed BW, but Flash didn't ascend to God tier because his play-style made games beautiful to behold.
If the guy who won two of the three biggest tournaments ever, along w/ the richest IEM WC ever,
along w/ the most stacked Hot6ix Cup ever,
who had multiple top-four GSL finishes along w/ insane PL stats and was co-anchor to one of the winningest teams,
who went on perhaps the most dominant stretch ever seen in SC2 between 1st and 2nd rounds of the season ending playoffs last year (defeated Zest on D1. Then reverse all-kill of Flash, TY, Zest, Stats to defeat KT on D2 to eliminate the defending champions. Then against CJ in semis, defeated Byul on D1, and sent JAGW to the grand finals after defeating herO and Byul on D2),
and ended the HOTS era by defeating the consensus GOAT at his own game on the biggest stage of all in possibly the closest and most insane BO7 GF ever,
if this guy can't hold a candle to the five other names you've listed, I'd very much like to know what you're smoking.
I dunno if you can call 4 days perhaps the most dominant stretch ever seen in sc2..
Obviously sOs can hold a candle to everyone above him. He's one of the best players out there and on his day can make anyone look silly. Doesn't mean he deserves to be top 5 though.
What? How did you come up the 4days of dominance?
sOs has been in beast mode from MSI tournament up until Blizzcon. He absolutely wrecked everybody during that time, not only in individual tournaments but also in team league. Never forget his double all-kill in the Proleagues final.
That is as dominant as a player can get in Hots, on par with Life's run at the end of 2014.
The run sOs had from MSI to Blizzcon is nothing compared to Life's run from Blizzcon all the way up to his gsl win. Life won Blizzcon, came in 2nd at Dreamhack Winter, won iem Taipei, got to the ro4 in ssl and barely didn't make the final, and won gsl. Life's run was much more dominant and it isn't even close.
Wow :D This list is an insane joke... sOs at number 7. Maru, sOs, Rain below the likes of soO and Taeja is simply an insult to these players. How can anyone do this? :/
EPT
so yeah, im nto the only one whos complaining about stuchiu awfull ranking.
