EPTLife arrested on match-fixing charges - Page 55
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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar | ||
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Skyblueone
Belgium155 Posts
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LDaVinci
France130 Posts
You'll find it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/503180-life-arrested-on-match-fixing-charges?page=7 It's not just him loosing to an all in. It's an all in he could have stopped. He pretended to not see the creep and send his overlords to the other base. At that level you don't miss the creep. I hate to say it, but to me this is "almost" on purpose. And I say almost cause I believe people are innocent till the contrary is proven. But this one will be hard to explain. By the way for the other person who replied to me, I'm Diamond zerg and I would not let this creep evade from my sight. So Life... | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On February 05 2016 06:25 LDaVinci wrote: You'll find it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/503180-life-arrested-on-match-fixing-charges?page=7 It's not just him loosing to an all in. It's an all in he could have stopped. He pretended to not see the creep and send his overlords to the other base. At that level you don't miss the creep. I hate to say it, but to me this is "almost" on purpose. And I say almost cause I believe people are innocent till the contrary is proven. But this one will be hard to explain. By the way for the other person who replied to me, I'm Diamond zerg and I would not let this creep evade from my sight. So Life... MKPs was faaaar worse than this game and he was found to be legit. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On February 05 2016 06:41 Phredxor wrote: MKPs was faaaar worse than this game and he was found to be legit. they don't base this stuff on the gameplay. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 05 2016 06:41 Phredxor wrote: MKPs was faaaar worse than this game and he was found to be legit. More likely they just didn't have proof of any communications or money exchange. | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
On February 05 2016 05:59 Grumbels wrote: Match fixing is not something people stumble into by accident, it's not an almost accidental transgression you make because you woke up sleepy one day and didn't notice the boundaries. There is no slippery slope that gets you into the deep without you noticing it, there are no good rationalizations for it. Matchfixing is conscious and premeditated, you have to make a deal with organised crime, so why do players do it? Is it greed, that is to say an inability to refuse the lure of easy money? Is it resentment against a scene which has not given you the credit and success that you felt like you deserved? Is it out of a sense of responsibility towards your team so that you can fund your team at the expense of the integrity of the scene? This is not necessary true. Imagine that the Korean mafia or whatever they call it there is blackmailing a player to match fix. For example, they can threaten him with bodily harm or digging up dirty secrets if the player doesnt lose a game on purpose. Of course, this does not mean matching fixing is acceptable but you have to understand that not everyone deals with these kind of threats very well and sometimes dont make the right decision. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On February 05 2016 05:56 bduddy wrote: Yeah, that seems to be a huge part of Korean culture, kids taking care of parents. All of MKP's money went to his aprents too, iicr. Since when does parents attending their proud son's finals become engaging? Try not to fit things too much into your speculation. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3996 Posts
clearly if they arrested Life, they have tapes/photos/logs etc that prove the transaction, not the fucking "i didnt see the creep" vod. | ||
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G5
United States2888 Posts
On January 31 2016 19:43 egernya wrote: So this is the game that Korean scene's the most suspicious about. Especially because on Korean version of the vod, casters said that something like this cannot happen, and Life smiled when he saw Solar's zerglings that he couldn't defend, and at 3:00, Life had a weird face for a moment when the overlord turns after him seeing the creep. Yeah... that looks pretty bad... | ||
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MRSA_SC2
Germany19 Posts
I am not gonna use expressions like "remember this" or "you'll find it here". Instead I am gonna say: Guys just humor me on this. Let us look on something blatantly suspicious. We already know some guilty match-fixers thanks to the late investigation by the same prosecutors. So let us see if our accused player featured against one of them, and I would not go any further since pointing out other matches could hurt innocent players. Here stands out the match in GSL Ro 16 Season 1 on 25.03.2015, Life vs Yoda when Yoda was in his match-fixing "prime" and he did not even show Code A level (if it was fixed Yoda overdid it), maybe it is being investigated. Anyway i still will not say anyone is guilty atm and hope we do not find ourselves facing a new scandal. rather say the previous Investigation was rested. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On February 05 2016 06:54 Loccstana wrote: This is not necessary true. Imagine that the Korean mafia or whatever they call it there is blackmailing a player to match fix. For example, they can threaten him with bodily harm or digging up dirty secrets if the player doesnt lose a game on purpose. Of course, this does not mean matching fixing is acceptable but you have to understand that not everyone deals with these kind of threats very well and sometimes dont make the right decision. In every case of match-fixing we know of, including all the players who have reported offers to match fix (MMA, Solar, Olimoley on behalf of a mystery Axiom player) we have only heard of threats against one player. And that was against Yoda after he had already started match-fixing and wanted to stop (basically, keep fixing or we'll reveal that you've been throwing games). Of course what you're proposing is possible, but it just doesn't fit the (unfortunately long) pattern of match fixing in esports (and normal sports for that matter). | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On February 05 2016 06:54 Loccstana wrote: This is not necessary true. Imagine that the Korean mafia or whatever they call it there is blackmailing a player to match fix. For example, they can threaten him with bodily harm or digging up dirty secrets if the player doesnt lose a game on purpose. Of course, this does not mean matching fixing is acceptable but you have to understand that not everyone deals with these kind of threats very well and sometimes dont make the right decision. It's all speculative though, all manner of fantastical ideas are possible. Since a matchfixing operation is not that difficult to arrange, since you just have to contact a player and place a bet, a single gambler could arrange all of it. For all we know it's just some semi-pro on the Korean ladder that organizes these things as a lucrative side deal. After all, the house always wins. If organised crime has an illegal gambling business why would they undermine it with match fixing gambits when they are already making good money? | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
Why, you're saying Byul's parents are engaging too, because they also attended all the finals which Byul advanced? | ||
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MRSA_SC2
Germany19 Posts
On February 05 2016 07:04 Thouhastmail wrote: Since when does parents attending their proud son's finals become engaging? Try not to fit things too much into your speculation. You can watch for example the interview with his mother and father before his last premium final in Korea GSL season 1 2015 (vs Parting when Parting's family never showed up) and judge for yourself. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 05 2016 07:23 Grumbels wrote: It's all speculative though, all manner of fantastical ideas are possible. Since a matchfixing operation is not that difficult to arrange, since you just have to contact a player and place a bet, a single gambler could arrange all of it. For all we know it's just some semi-pro on the Korean ladder that organizes these things as a lucrative side deal. After all, the house always wins. If organised crime has an illegal gambling business why would they undermine it with match fixing gambits when they are already making good money? Grumbels are you seriously asking why organised crime would want to make more money? Scrap that, are you just blind to the world and ignore the motivations of every other person/business to make more money? | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On February 05 2016 07:29 MRSA_SC2 wrote: You can watch for example the interview with his mother and father before his last premium final in Korea GSL season 1 2015 (vs Parting when Parting's family never showed up) and judge for yourself. http://m.sports.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000069679 Parting's mother was at the FIRST row - his father had passed away then. | ||
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MRSA_SC2
Germany19 Posts
On February 05 2016 07:40 Thouhastmail wrote: http://m.sports.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000069679 Parting's mother was at the FIRST row - his father was passed away then. Ok very well so they are all engaged | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
Nice attitude. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On February 05 2016 07:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Grumbels are you seriously asking why organised crime would want to make more money? I'm not world's most informed person on the issue of Korean matchfixing and illegal gambling industry. I'm happy to be proven wrong. That said, match fixing is a business risk for betting sites because it undermines faith in the competition, people will stop caring because they'll think everything is pre-arranged. That's why e.g. Pinnacle makes sure they are known as ardent crusaders against match fixing, they're aware that it's good publicity and just general good sense. The house always wins, gambling organisations don't need to cheat customers to get rich, they already have a sound business model. And I don't know how to explain this, since it's late and I'm tired, but when gambling rings engage in match fixing that would be a completely arbitrary connection, since even if they are the gambling organisation, they would still behave as if they were customers, placing bets etc. There is nothing required in organizing match fixing which can't be done by a single enterprising gambler and there is no connection needed to any criminal organisation. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
It does look pretty bad, but like someone else said it does not look as bad as MKP's game. I wouldn't use that one as a reference on what can still be legit gameplay though, he may have been cleared by MVP but at this point I wouldn't be surprised by anything. I don't know if I agree with the laugh after seeing the lings as being necessarily incriminating though. Same reaction would be pretty natural if you just can't believe how stupidly the game went for you... The OP says the arrest is related to "match fixing in 2015" so this game wouldn't be part of it, but of course he could have been doing it already in 2014... User was warned for this post | ||
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