EPTOn February 05 2016 00:05 Thouhastmail wrote:
Life is in custody. how on earth he can play?
Life is in custody. how on earth he can play?
Escape. Duh
Life arrested on match-fixing charges - Page 53
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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar | ||
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Penev
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Escape. Duh | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
D'oh! | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
in a fantasy world, if there was a choice to give up all your winnings to dodge the whole situation just so you could keep playing and start from scratch, i'd do it. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
Life not a Life-Ling confirmed. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On February 04 2016 23:48 LDaVinci wrote: I've followed this from quite far so can someone enlighten me with what's happening ? I got that he match fixed old games but is Life charged for recent match fixing ? Is he charged for loosing games for money, winning games against money or both ? I saw the replay of the match that was posted here (or the other thread I'm not sure) that clearly shows he lost on purpose. Maybe this one was fixed ?!... but is there equivalent games where he won too easily (and I'm not talking about Lilbow at blizzcon) ? Winning games for money is what professional gamers do, giving them money in exchange for winning won't allow you to fix a result. Losing on purpose is something you can pretty much guarantee so that's what fixing the matches is about. You might be able to make it even more beliveable by having even the winner in on it but it's definitely not a necessity. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 05 2016 00:24 nighcol wrote: Winning games for money is what professional gamers do, giving them money in exchange for winning won't allow you to fix a result. Losing on purpose is something you can pretty much guarantee so that's what fixing the matches is about. You might be able to make it even more beliveable by having even the winner in on it but it's definitely not a necessity. There was some stuff in BW where the BO the other player would use so they could blind counter it if i recall correctly. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On February 05 2016 00:24 nighcol wrote: Winning games for money is what professional gamers do, giving them money in exchange for winning won't allow you to fix a result. Losing on purpose is something you can pretty much guarantee so that's what fixing the matches is about. You might be able to make it even more beliveable by having even the winner in on it but it's definitely not a necessity. Well, you can bribe the opponent to lose on purpose, which I'd assume is worse than losing on purpose. But that probably won't happen. | ||
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Kab00om
Germany10 Posts
I did not follow all match-fixing scandals in depth and therefore might have a rather naive approach to this. But basically I have two questions: 1. Is there any (reasonable) explanation for the match-fixing itself, and directly as a follow up 2. if so, would the explanation possibly lead to a solution of it?! In addition I would like to add my own thoughts: When I first heard about the match-fixing (independent of which player it was, I thought, ok, they do this for the money. As I think that being a progamer, even in Korea, is almost always a precarious life situation. So I thought that m.b. the circumstances of being a progamer might lead to the temptation of match fixing in order to have, basically, more money. So my original thought and question was and still is:"Would it help to m.b. increase the salary of progamers?", or, m.b. even better, offer them a one to two year "social plan" after the end of their progamer career?!". Something like an opportunity to find something else if they actually want to?! Would that be a possible solution? Does anybody know about this?! And if not, what else would be a solution? Because I think finding a solution to this would help everybody involved, eSports (StarCraft scene) including?! | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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castleeMg
Canada777 Posts
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
Also, the lack of updates on this and seemingly very little response from community figures or even kespa / gsl / pl is kind of disappointing. This is possibly the biggest story in the history of sc2 but everyone seems so hush hush. He should get the same exact treatment that yoda and others did. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 05 2016 01:33 Kab00om wrote: Hey, I did not follow all match-fixing scandals in depth and therefore might have a rather naive approach to this. But basically I have to questions: 1. Is there any (reasonable) explanation for the match-fixing itself, and directly as a follow up 2. if so, would the explanation possibly lead to a solution of it?! In addition I would like to add my own thoughts: When I first heard about the match-fixing (independent of which player it was), I thought, ok, they do this for the money. As I think that being a progamer, even in Korea, is almost always a precarious life situation. So I thought that m.b. the circumstances of being a progamer might lead to the temptation of match fixing in order to have, basically, more money. So my original thought and question was and still is:"Would it help to m.b. increase the salary of progamers?", or, m.b. even better, offer them a one to two year "social plan" after the end of their progamer career?!". Something like an opportunity to find something else if they actually want to?! Would that be a possible solution? Does anybody know about this?! And if not, what else would be a solution? Because I think finding a solution to this would help everybody involved, eSports (StarCraft scene) including?! If the accusations against the player with the second higher career winnings in SC2 history turn out to be true, the idea that increasing salaries would solve anything will take a pretty big hit. | ||
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JeffKim
Korea (South)36 Posts
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On February 05 2016 01:43 opisska wrote: If the accusations against the player with the second higher career winnings in SC2 history turn out to be true, the idea that increasing salaries would solve anything will take a pretty big hit. The second highest career winnings in sc2 is like nothing compared to what progamers in other esport titles make who aren't even that good. I doubt he had a very good salary on top of those winnings. Even in csgo, the team that was caught matchfixing were a team that wasn't receiving ANY salary from their org despite solid results. Its so frustrating to watch these devs and league organizers want to promote the game as being a professional competition but the players are not even being paid or treated like it. There needs to be better protection for players both financially and contractually. Blizz basically came out this year and told all of Korea to **** off that they don't even deserve the chance to compete for wcs money despite being the best in the world. Treat the players like crap and they will treat the competition the same way. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On February 05 2016 01:48 HugoBallzak wrote: The second highest career winnings in sc2 is like nothing compared to what progamers in other esport titles make who aren't even that good. I doubt he had a very good salary on top of those winnings. Even in csgo, the team that was caught matchfixing were a team that wasn't receiving ANY salary from their org despite solid results. Its so frustrating to watch these devs and league organizers want to promote the game as being a professional competition but the players are not even being paid or treated like it. There needs to be better protection for players both financially and contractually. Blizz basically came out this year and told all of Korea to **** off that they don't even deserve the chance to compete for wcs money despite being the best in the world. Treat the players like crap and they will treat the competition the same way. I strongly disagree with his earnings being all that bad but even if that was the case, this will never be a world where even the average earnings could be anywhere close to what Life got in SC2, Blizzard favoring foreigners or not. If that's what it takes to have fair competition without matches being fixed we'll have to forget about it. You do realize that this year's WCS changes are also completely unrelated to what we're talking about here? | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On February 05 2016 01:55 nighcol wrote: I strongly disagree with his earnings being all that bad but even if that was the case, this will never be a world where even the average earnings could be anywhere close to what Life got in SC2, Blizzard favoring foreigners or not. If that's what it takes to have fair competition without matches being fixed we'll have to forget about it. You do realize that this year's WCS changes are also completely unrelated to what we're talking about here? I don't think it is. Most pro players are not playing for the love of the game. They are playing for the chance to make a living and set themselves up for a future after their window for winning has closed, before they have to put their life on hold and join the military. If I was a pro sc2 player in korea I would be extremely worried about the dwindling amount of opportunities to make money this year and especially beyond this year. Somebody comes to you and says "Hey heres $15,000.00 all you gotta do is lose this one match in proleague, literally 30min of your time, and its yours" I can see why its so easy for a person especially someone so young to be tempted. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3686 Posts
On February 05 2016 01:45 JeffKim wrote: This is being blown way out of proportion. Seeing the way this is being "covered" in Korea compared to the online reaction stateside is alarming. Could you be so kind as to give some insight into how it is being covered in Korea? | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On February 05 2016 01:43 opisska wrote: If the accusations against the player with the second higher career winnings in SC2 history turn out to be true, the idea that increasing salaries would solve anything will take a pretty big hit. But Life's salaries weren't good during his startale days... and I am pretty sure it won't make such an impact in that sense as coaches aren't stupid. It has been proven through long periods of BW that salaries do make the difference, not necessarily prevent match-fixing, but performance in general | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On February 05 2016 01:39 Shinespark wrote: Can anyone point me to a VOD of Life clearly losing on purpose? Anyone? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On February 05 2016 02:10 swissman777 wrote: But Life's salaries weren't good during his startale days... and I am pretty sure it won't make such an impact in that sense as coaches aren't stupid. It has been proven through long periods of BW that salaries do make the difference, not necessarily prevent match-fixing, but performance in general Well salaries go with the importance of the league to the spectators, sorry but SC2 is not that popular in Korea, so the players cant earn a nice salary, it is a miracle that there is a proleague. | ||
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