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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed.


This goes for other players too. -The_Templar
Hassan_RO
Profile Joined May 2012
Romania77 Posts
February 05 2016 10:51 GMT
#1121
OK so......beyond the PRIME players & coach (my fav korean team btw, so nice they tried so hard and so long - since starcraft ii beta when all the SKTs and KTs were still wallowing around in their 13yr old game - without a big corporation behind) now there is an actual Starcraft God, who has won multiple starleagues and countless other finals, semifinals etc, with tons of money already in his hand from pro-gaming, getting arrested for wanting MORE.
javascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area', 'b')
The entire competition is rotten. Life's involvement means that even the players at the very top are or can be influenced by this crap. I have been watching less and less SC2 recently, feeling like LOTV has not done enough to revitalize the game and the new WCS system is....questionable......so this is about nail in the coffin for me as a viewer

Byebye SC2 you wont be missed.

"Long live the EMPEROR" Lim Yo Hwan!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 10:59:52
February 05 2016 10:59 GMT
#1122
Edit: Sorry this is the wrong thread.
maru lover forever
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5490 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 11:11:29
February 05 2016 11:10 GMT
#1123
On February 05 2016 19:51 Hassan_RO wrote:
OK so......beyond the PRIME players & coach (my fav korean team btw, so nice they tried so hard and so long - since starcraft ii beta when all the SKTs and KTs were still wallowing around in their 13yr old game - without a big corporation behind) now there is an actual Starcraft God, who has won multiple starleagues and countless other finals, semifinals etc, with tons of money already in his hand from pro-gaming, getting arrested for wanting MORE.
javascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area', 'b')
The entire competition is rotten. Life's involvement means that even the players at the very top are or can be influenced by this crap. I have been watching less and less SC2 recently, feeling like LOTV has not done enough to revitalize the game and the new WCS system is....questionable......so this is about nail in the coffin for me as a viewer

Byebye SC2 you wont be missed.


Wallowing around their 13 year old game? You realize that game is what this website is based upon? And now because of this one event, your saying bye to the entire game? You are such a shitty fan. Get the fuck out, you will not be missed.

User was warned for this post
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
February 05 2016 11:14 GMT
#1124
On February 05 2016 13:26 ChickaChuckWally wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 09:42 Swisslink wrote:
On February 05 2016 06:25 LDaVinci wrote:
On February 05 2016 02:16 Shinespark wrote:
On February 05 2016 01:39 Shinespark wrote:
Can anyone point me to a VOD of Life clearly losing on purpose?

Anyone?


You'll find it here

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/503180-life-arrested-on-match-fixing-charges?page=7

It's not just him loosing to an all in. It's an all in he could have stopped. He pretended to not see the creep and send his overlords to the other base. At that level you don't miss the creep.

I hate to say it, but to me this is "almost" on purpose. And I say almost cause I believe people are innocent till the contrary is proven. But this one will be hard to explain.
By the way for the other person who replied to me, I'm Diamond zerg and I would not let this creep evade from my sight. So Life...


I don't think it is as clear cut as you make it out to be. Progamers do stupid mistakes from time to time. We've seen cannon rushes at the wrong base. 6-pools to the wrong base. Proxy-2-rax to the wrong base, etc. And they all could have known where the opponent was.

Plus: You play way slower than Life. The faster you play, the more likely you're gonna miss something like that. I'm a Diamond Zerg as well - and I spend a fuckload of time just staring at everything, of course I'm gonna notice the creep there. A progamer doesn't have time to do that (well, they'd have time early game, but the APM spamming is real there. :-P ).
If they use their hotkey to go there and just overlook the creep, they most likely don't check again. I'd probably check a million times, just because I don't know whatelse to do with my time there :-P


He saw no hatchery, he saw no overlord. That little creep doesn't show up on a minimap and he obviously didn't actually go to the overlords view to move it he just clicked on the minimap. I would honestly say you can't really take much from this, I'd wait for actual confirmation instead of trying to find his mistakes.


Scarlett saying here that she has made the exact same mistake is enough for me to believe that's a mistake a pro could end up making in any case.
Hassan_RO
Profile Joined May 2012
Romania77 Posts
February 05 2016 11:41 GMT
#1125
On February 05 2016 20:10 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 19:51 Hassan_RO wrote:
OK so......beyond the PRIME players & coach (my fav korean team btw, so nice they tried so hard and so long - since starcraft ii beta when all the SKTs and KTs were still wallowing around in their 13yr old game - without a big corporation behind) now there is an actual Starcraft God, who has won multiple starleagues and countless other finals, semifinals etc, with tons of money already in his hand from pro-gaming, getting arrested for wanting MORE.
javascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area', 'b')
The entire competition is rotten. Life's involvement means that even the players at the very top are or can be influenced by this crap. I have been watching less and less SC2 recently, feeling like LOTV has not done enough to revitalize the game and the new WCS system is....questionable......so this is about nail in the coffin for me as a viewer

Byebye SC2 you wont be missed.


Wallowing around their 13 year old game? You realize that game is what this website is based upon? And now because of this one event, your saying bye to the entire game? You are such a shitty fan. Get the fuck out, you will not be missed.


Goodbye dear SC fanboy. I can only say i was once like you and i watched SC from the time BoxeR played BW.
I LOVED to watch MarineKing play against Nestea in the first GSLs. I LOVED to watch MC win and see his exhilarating personality......and so on and so on...........
I would say many other cold, hard and true things about SC2 today, but you are right, this site was built around this golden relic, it does not make sense to do so.
if you would read my post carefully you would see that it is not one event, it is a lot of things, among which the years-old stagnant meta, with only minor changes in the long-awaited LotV, the very low quality of casting compared to previous' years GSLs - especially Tasteless&Artosis, the drastic reduction of the scene, both in term of players and in term of casters who left for greener pastures/other games....this one event being the last straw, the competition that i watch, with stagnant meta and bored casters, could actually be a fix, anytime.

Good Bye
"Long live the EMPEROR" Lim Yo Hwan!
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 05 2016 12:30 GMT
#1126
Is he still in jail?
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
February 05 2016 12:31 GMT
#1127
Read some newer sources and I have to correct myself... the 10+10 day limit for detention warrants I mentioned earlier is actually no longer an indication of anything because Korea has introduced an arrest warrant in 1995 as a second type of warrant for detaining suspects under investigation. The decision of formally pressing charges is still not the same as the arrest though and that occurs after an investigation. See this for reference
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 12:49:21
February 05 2016 12:41 GMT
#1128
On February 05 2016 20:41 Hassan_RO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 20:10 jimminy_kriket wrote:
On February 05 2016 19:51 Hassan_RO wrote:
OK so......beyond the PRIME players & coach (my fav korean team btw, so nice they tried so hard and so long - since starcraft ii beta when all the SKTs and KTs were still wallowing around in their 13yr old game - without a big corporation behind) now there is an actual Starcraft God, who has won multiple starleagues and countless other finals, semifinals etc, with tons of money already in his hand from pro-gaming, getting arrested for wanting MORE.
javascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area', 'b')
The entire competition is rotten. Life's involvement means that even the players at the very top are or can be influenced by this crap. I have been watching less and less SC2 recently, feeling like LOTV has not done enough to revitalize the game and the new WCS system is....questionable......so this is about nail in the coffin for me as a viewer

Byebye SC2 you wont be missed.


Wallowing around their 13 year old game? You realize that game is what this website is based upon? And now because of this one event, your saying bye to the entire game? You are such a shitty fan. Get the fuck out, you will not be missed.


Goodbye dear SC fanboy. I can only say i was once like you and i watched SC from the time BoxeR played BW.
I LOVED to watch MarineKing play against Nestea in the first GSLs. I LOVED to watch MC win and see his exhilarating personality......and so on and so on...........
I would say many other cold, hard and true things about SC2 today, but you are right, this site was built around this golden relic, it does not make sense to do so.
if you would read my post carefully you would see that it is not one event, it is a lot of things, among which the years-old stagnant meta, with only minor changes in the long-awaited LotV, the very low quality of casting compared to previous' years GSLs - especially Tasteless&Artosis, the drastic reduction of the scene, both in term of players and in term of casters who left for greener pastures/other games....this one event being the last straw, the competition that i watch, with stagnant meta and bored casters, could actually be a fix, anytime.

Good Bye

I agree that the game does not have interest that it had before, which pulls down quality of the events and such. That's too bad, since the game is better than ever before, SC2 just didn't hook many people as simpler games did but it will still have big community around it.

Getting arrested for wanting MORE... I think it's reasonable, isn't it? I feel that you are trying to advocate for him, don't know actually. There are boundaries.

And if not for Brood War, competitive games would look differently that what we have today.

I would say many other cold, hard and true things about SC2 today

Time to make your own Unfiltered or something. Let us know if you have some actual facts about how rotten the competition is.

Bye!
TL+ Member
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 13:16:36
February 05 2016 13:13 GMT
#1129
is Life still in custody?

apparently it says that Life could not attend his Code A match because of restrictions by kespa - and not because he's being detained...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 05 2016 13:21 GMT
#1130
On February 05 2016 10:33 ilovegroov wrote:
Someone link Zealouslys reaction pls

How about fuck off?
AdministratorBreak the chains
MRSA_SC2
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany19 Posts
February 05 2016 13:25 GMT
#1131
On February 05 2016 22:13 MrMischelito wrote:
is Life still in custody?

apparently it says that Life could not attend his Code A match because of restrictions by kespa - and not because he's being detained...


The restrictions by Kespa are because he is detained, momentarily.
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
February 05 2016 13:35 GMT
#1132
On February 05 2016 22:25 MRSA_SC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 22:13 MrMischelito wrote:
is Life still in custody?

apparently it says that Life could not attend his Code A match because of restrictions by kespa - and not because he's being detained...


The restrictions by Kespa are because he is detained, momentarily.

that doesn't make much sense
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
February 05 2016 14:08 GMT
#1133


Good Bye


Yes, please leave -.-
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
February 05 2016 15:07 GMT
#1134
so if he is innocent he cant play code S lol
Have a nice day ;)
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
February 05 2016 15:10 GMT
#1135
On February 06 2016 00:07 Dumbledore wrote:
so if he is innocent he cant play code S lol

There will be suing.

Up the ass.
don't wall off against random
Ninjai
Profile Joined February 2016
1 Post
February 05 2016 15:35 GMT
#1136
You were the chosen one!
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
February 05 2016 16:02 GMT
#1137
It's time someone came up with a conspiracy theory regarding all these match fixing scandals. Something like a secret, very powerful brotherhood or seniors from the SC scene that pull the strings to get rid of players they don't like. It will make for a cool story and give the nay sayers some footing for relentless fanboyism for their fallen heroes.

Watch the Dave Chapelle conspiracy if you want a good example
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
February 05 2016 16:12 GMT
#1138
On February 06 2016 01:02 B.I.G. wrote:
It's time someone came up with a conspiracy theory regarding all these match fixing scandals. Something like a secret, very powerful brotherhood or seniors from the SC scene that pull the strings to get rid of players they don't like. It will make for a cool story and give the nay sayers some footing for relentless fanboyism for their fallen heroes.

Watch the Dave Chapelle conspiracy if you want a good example


Shine becomes GSL observer.

sOs, Maru, Innovation, Life, ByuL, Stats, ByuN all lose in Code A.

Coincidence? I think not

Evil always wins

There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2950 Posts
February 05 2016 16:45 GMT
#1139
On February 06 2016 00:10 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 00:07 Dumbledore wrote:
so if he is innocent he cant play code S lol

There will be suing.

Up the ass.


Is Korea as strict as the US in this regard?
I'd assume, an American company would basically go bankrupt if they kicked out a player who's later proven to be innocent. (assuming he is innocent, of course)
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 05 2016 17:47 GMT
#1140
On February 06 2016 01:45 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 00:10 rotta wrote:
On February 06 2016 00:07 Dumbledore wrote:
so if he is innocent he cant play code S lol

There will be suing.

Up the ass.


Is Korea as strict as the US in this regard?
I'd assume, an American company would basically go bankrupt if they kicked out a player who's later proven to be innocent. (assuming he is innocent, of course)


Define found innocent? There have been a few high profile cases in the US where the professional sports leagues tried to penalize players who later got it overturned. But none of them managed to sue for damages: Latrell Sprewell got his contract revoked by the league after choking his coach, but he got it back on appeal. Ryan Braun got caught doping, but after appeal had his suspension completely removed and got to keep his MVP. Neither of them sued for damages successfully.

Besides, there's nothing KeSPA could/should have done. Life being in custody is a pretty good excuse for forfeiting someone. After all, you have to show up at the studio to not get disqualified...
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