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We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.

PLEASE READ THE OP BEFORE POSTING
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28487 Posts
January 29 2016 14:18 GMT
#241
On January 29 2016 23:17 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
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On January 29 2016 23:07 boxerfred wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:53 Penev wrote:
Someone put Zealously on suicide watch just in case btw

I might need it too actually..

We're three then.


Can I get in on that? Cant focus on work at all right now...cant believe im this distracted because of SC2.

I'm F5ing like a madman
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 29 2016 14:18 GMT
#242
On January 29 2016 23:14 Penev wrote:
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On January 29 2016 23:09 brickrd wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:01 Penev wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:57 brickrd wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:54 Musicus wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.

Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.

On January 29 2016 22:53 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.

As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.



I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.

Hmm, it seems you're making the same mistake you accuse others of now. Things like this are actually more prevalent when people lack/ need money.
that's not how probability works. he's under investigation which in itself makes him an isolated case.

if life were NOT being investigated, then you could say that he is less likely in a predictive sense to do such a thing based on demographic data (assuming such data actually indicates less success increases those odds, which is believable, but i don't have those numbers)

but once he's accused, if for example he were on trial it would not make any sense to try to defend him by saying "well, he's successful, so why would he do it?" sure, his lawyer would probably try to insinuate exactly that, just like lawyers of rich white people try to argue that they're successful and respected in their communities. but it's not real logic. you can't argue that someone robbed a bank because they're poor and poor people need money, and it doesn't make sense in reverse either

this is all assuming there is legitimate evidence of something and that there's no crazy conspiracy to frame life, which is possible as far as i know. but if there is legit evidence, that affects him as a data point, and it becomes a question of did he do something, yes or no, not "would he" do something

all that said, we still don't know all of this. but people are talking, and one of the things they're saying is that he wouldn't do it because he's rich, which is very very very silly.

True. If anything, it's more understandable (less bad?) when poor people commit an economic crime

But I don't think Musicus said "he wouldn't do it because he's rich"


Nope, I'm saying this case is out of the norm.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 29 2016 14:18 GMT
#243
On January 29 2016 23:17 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:07 boxerfred wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:53 Penev wrote:
Someone put Zealously on suicide watch just in case btw

I might need it too actually..

We're three then.


Can I get in on that? Cant focus on work at all right now...cant believe im this distracted because of SC2.

Absolutely the same here. I was just having a break, checking TL, saw the news and now I'm sitting here, hitting the reload button.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
January 29 2016 14:20 GMT
#244
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote:
Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.

It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?

kt has great coaching, infrastructure etc. Infact kt is just the best team overall and anyone going there can become good (look at spped), but Life is a prodigy, he doesnt do much for months, he slacks off he gets distracted and enjoys his life, and then for a few months a year he puts his back into it, regains his passion and becomes an absolute god

He probably wanted his old Life and friends back!
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 14:21:48
January 29 2016 14:20 GMT
#245
On January 29 2016 23:17 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote:
Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.

It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?

Didn't like KT?


That's what I think, but why do it so suddenly? Also why the fuck did he participate in the PL photoshoot for KT then?

edit: agreed with poster above but the same questions apply
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 29 2016 14:21 GMT
#246
innocent till proven guilty guys.
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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
January 29 2016 14:22 GMT
#247
On January 29 2016 23:20 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:17 Sakat wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote:
Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.

It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?

Didn't like KT?


That's what I think, but why do it so suddenly? Also why the fuck did he participate in the PL photoshoot for KT then?

edit: agreed with poster above but the same questions apply

Probably because he didn't know it was going to come through. I don't know really.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28487 Posts
January 29 2016 14:22 GMT
#248
On January 29 2016 23:20 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote:
Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.

It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?

kt has great coaching, infrastructure etc. Infact kt is just the best team overall and anyone going there can become good (look at spped), but Life is a prodigy, he doesnt do much for months, he slacks off he gets distracted and enjoys his life, and then for a few months a year he puts his back into it, regains his passion and becomes an absolute god

He probably wanted his old Life and friends back!

KT seemed to have taken away his smile
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Polymeron
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel5 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 14:25:41
January 29 2016 14:24 GMT
#249
On January 29 2016 23:09 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:01 Penev wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:57 brickrd wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:54 Musicus wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.

Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.

On January 29 2016 22:53 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.

As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.



I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.

Hmm, it seems you're making the same mistake you accuse others of now. Things like this are actually more prevalent when people lack/ need money.
that's not how probability works. he's under investigation which in itself makes him an isolated case.

if life were NOT being investigated, then you could say that he is less likely in a predictive sense to do such a thing based on demographic data (assuming such data actually indicates less success increases those odds, which is believable, but i don't have those numbers)

but once he's accused, if for example he were on trial it would not make any sense to try to defend him by saying "well, he's successful, so why would he do it?" sure, his lawyer would probably try to insinuate exactly that, just like lawyers of rich white people try to argue that they're successful and respected in their communities. but it's not real logic. you can't argue that someone robbed a bank because they're poor and poor people need money, and it doesn't make sense in reverse either

this is all assuming there is legitimate evidence of something and that there's no crazy conspiracy to frame life, which is possible as far as i know. but if there is legit evidence, that affects him as a data point, and it becomes a question of did he do something, yes or no, not "would he" do something

all that said, we still don't know all of this. but people are talking, and one of the things they're saying is that he wouldn't do it because he's rich, which is very very very silly.


brickrd, that's not how probability works either.

For example, if you take a mammography and it comes out positive, are you likely to have breast cancer? Intuitively you might think yes, but actually since the test has false positives and cancer rates are low, it's about as likely that the test gave a false answer than that you have cancer. You would be wise to gather more evidence because of this uncertainty.

Similarly, given players have a low chance of being match-fixers. A player getting arrested/questioned increases that chance significantly, but it doesn't somehow magically make the overall low rate disappear or "not count", nor does it remove additional factors that make him unlikely to fix matches. So we really have no good information either way, but factors that reduced probability before continue to reduce probability.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
January 29 2016 14:24 GMT
#250
On January 29 2016 23:22 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:20 Arvendilin wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote:
Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.

It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?

kt has great coaching, infrastructure etc. Infact kt is just the best team overall and anyone going there can become good (look at spped), but Life is a prodigy, he doesnt do much for months, he slacks off he gets distracted and enjoys his life, and then for a few months a year he puts his back into it, regains his passion and becomes an absolute god

He probably wanted his old Life and friends back!

KT seemed to have taken away his smile

Yup while the first part about kt beeing the greatest wasnt meant too seriously, the second part defenitely is.

He seemed to have way more fun in the lax StarTale
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8158 Posts
January 29 2016 14:25 GMT
#251
On January 29 2016 23:21 stuchiu wrote:
innocent till proven guilty guys.


I agree with you
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 29 2016 14:25 GMT
#252
liffffuuuuu
rip passion
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 14:29:10
January 29 2016 14:26 GMT
#253
On January 29 2016 23:08 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:05 palexhur wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.


Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.


Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.


You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28487 Posts
January 29 2016 14:28 GMT
#254
On January 29 2016 23:26 palexhur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:08 207aicila wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:05 palexhur wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.


Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.


Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.


You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers.

Don't just call people naive. Maybe he was on a powertrip (sAviOr)
I Protoss winner, could it be?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 29 2016 14:28 GMT
#255
On January 29 2016 23:26 palexhur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:08 207aicila wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:05 palexhur wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.


Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.


Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.


You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers.

Also if you want to do something bad to get some passion from evil deeds. you can dismantle Lego buildings of others and then throw the lego parts all over the floor so others can step on it! THAT'S EVIL!!!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
January 29 2016 14:29 GMT
#256
On January 29 2016 23:28 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:26 palexhur wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:08 207aicila wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:05 palexhur wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi


Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.


Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.


Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.


You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers.

Also if you want to do something bad to get some passion from evil deeds. you can dismantle Lego buildings of others and then throw the lego parts all over the floor so others can step on it! THAT'S EVIL!!!


Lol, indeed worse than matchfixing, that must be painful to see.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
January 29 2016 14:30 GMT
#257
On January 29 2016 23:20 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:17 Sakat wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote:
Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.

It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?

Didn't like KT?


That's what I think, but why do it so suddenly? Also why the fuck did he participate in the PL photoshoot for KT then?

edit: agreed with poster above but the same questions apply

Maybe he stopped doing well in practice and was falling behind his teammates. Then he got unhappy and talked to some of the Afreeca guys. Then Legend went to Mr. Chae, and Legend said "We need an ace player". And Mr. Chae spoke "You can have one, we have eSports money." And Legend said "We want Life." And Mr. Chae said "You shall get him." And they offered the Leenocktopus in return, and KT Rolster said "Okay."
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44203 Posts
January 29 2016 14:32 GMT
#258
oh no not like this

On January 29 2016 23:00 Rekrul wrote:
studies show that zergs are more likely to get caught

rofl
this is a quote
SeriousLus
Profile Joined July 2012
169 Posts
January 29 2016 14:32 GMT
#259
seriously? SERIOUSLY???? unbelievable these guys.
if i say more i get banned, soo... fuck that shit
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 29 2016 14:34 GMT
#260
On January 29 2016 23:30 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 23:20 Silvana wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:17 Sakat wrote:
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote:
Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.

It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?

Didn't like KT?


That's what I think, but why do it so suddenly? Also why the fuck did he participate in the PL photoshoot for KT then?

edit: agreed with poster above but the same questions apply

Maybe he stopped doing well in practice and was falling behind his teammates. Then he got unhappy and talked to some of the Afreeca guys. Then Legend went to Mr. Chae, and Legend said "We need an ace player". And Mr. Chae spoke "You can have one, we have eSports money." And Legend said "We want Life." And Mr. Chae said "You shall get him." And they offered the Leenocktopus in return, and KT Rolster said "Okay."

This is how I remember Real Madrid 10 years back(more or less). Coach was pointing at random players and he received them all

Thanks for the laugh, this is good one
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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