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mod edit: There's far too many misinformation being spread around right now so here are the facts:
1. Life has been arrested. 2. NO ONE knows why. 3. Until an official news source from either KeSPA or a related party comes out, any other type of information presented is not to be trusted.
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UPDATE:
On January 31 2016 17:43 Seeker wrote: http://media.daum.net/society/affair/newsview?newsid=20160131172615919 Says in the source that Life is being investigated on match fixing charges. However, since they are still in the process of investigating, they cannot release all the info yet.
Kespa announced that Life was arrested by the same district prosecutors' office (Changwon) that Prime guys were, and he's under an investigation, but is unknown what cases he's involved. However, Kespa's reacting to this because if this is match-fixing related, this could be another disaster for the e-sport scene.
Hence, Kespa will prevent him from playing any official games that he was going to until he's acquitted by cooperating with the league organizers.
They will cooperate with the prosecutions whenever needed, and keep their zero tolerance policy toward illegal match fixing/ gambling cases.
The trade between Afreeca and kt was done by Life's own request. Neither KT and Afeeca were aware of the present situation around Life prior to the trade. Also they mentioned that they wish there won't be any spreading of unconfirmed information or inappropriate assumption, so no innocent unrelated victim is made.
Wow. Has there been any match with the suspicious betting patterns where Life was involved? I didn't think so. I hope it's something less serious than him actually actively taking part at least, would be a huge hit for sc2 and me personally as a fan of this guy... It seems possible that some of the people that decided to get out of prime had some knowledge of the match fixing attempts and wanted to get out because of it, maybe it's related to that...
edit: Well I don't know what I was thinking... Life had no association with Prime obviously so this would be separate from that.
Okay, trying to imagine what can be happening is just too painful, I'll just pretend I have not seen this post until we have more insight about what he was arrested for...
I mean, that YoDa or B4 fixed matches, I get it, they were barely paid and their coach was screwing them. But if Life, the best player of all time and probably one of the 5 most paid players, really fixed some matches, it would be the dumbest thing I'd ever dare considering.
I really hope it turns out right, else it would be a brutal shockwave.
On January 29 2016 21:58 nighcol wrote: Wow. Has there been any match with the suspicious betting patterns where Life was involved? I didn't think so. I hope it's something less serious than him actually actively taking part at least, would be a huge hit for sc2 and me personally as a fan of this guy... It seems possible that some of the people that decided to get out of prime had some knowledge of the match fixing attempts and wanted to get out because of it, maybe it's related to that...
Out of everyone, he is probably the least likely korean to match fix.
On January 29 2016 22:03 Boucot wrote: I mean, that YoDa or B4 fixed matches, I get it, they were barely paid and their coach was screwing them. But if Life, the best player of all time and probably one of the 5 most paid players, really fixed some matches, it would be the dumbest thing I'd ever dare considering.
I really hope it turns out right, else it would be a brutal shockwave.
My thoughts exactly. I can understand why players from prime could match fix because they were having monetary problems for 3 years straight. But life was a prodigy who was winning tournaments left and right with a huge smile I hope this investigation does not end bad
Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
As a zerg, I had an idol in BW. I have an idol in SC2.
I really hope they won't both break my heart.
Let's wait out the investigation. I'm really at unease. This can't be happening..... I'm sure this is something that he played against a matchfixer and they want to know if he was aware of the situation.
Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
SaviOr was surely the most paid zerg at the time...
Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
savior had no need either..
Yeah.. just gotta hope for the best I guess. Would be a killer blow to SC2 in Korea if Life pulled a sAviOr.
Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
What is better then alot of cash? Even more cash!
Missing cash might be a strong factor in commiting such a crime, but having cash does not prevent it from happening. Even if you "dont have any need to fix", fixing is always an option to find more money. This is nothing which makes it more unlikely or likely that he fixed games/was involved in it. We will see what KESPA and the local law enforcment will tell us about this, but all this "he has the money, he doesnt need/wouldnt fix for money!" is straight out not right. When you want more money, you use your options to aquire more money.
maybe an explanation for his mediocre performance in the last proleague? what if he was paid to lose certain matches where betting against him was profitable.
just speculation of course, I hope he is innocent and we hear from him personally soon.
Honestly if i'm allowed to be politically incorrect here...
Why are you guys so surprised? With the state that sc2 sponsorship is in korea, you'd have to be at least consistently getting high into tournament brackets just to make a decent salary...
Not surprised with the high rate of match fix and shady things going on in the scene.
Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
What is better then alot of cash? Even more cash!
Missing cash might be a strong factor in commiting such a crime, but having cash does not prevent it from happening. Even if you "dont have any need to fix", fixing is always an option to find more money. This is nothing which makes it more unlikely or likely that he fixed games/was involved in it. We will see what KESPA and the local law enforcment will tell us about this, but all this "he has the money, he doesnt need/wouldnt fix for money!" is straight out not right. When you want more money, you use your options to aquire more money.
yeah this so much. I can never believe how people think being rich prevents you from doing evil deeds. If anything it makes you more prone for doing it because poor people dont know what it means to have money anyway. rich people know the feeling and want to keep the power
On January 29 2016 22:17 MasterCynical wrote: Honestly if i'm allowed to be politically incorrect here...
Why are you guys so surprised? With the state that sc2 sponsorship is in korea, you'd have to be at least consistently getting high into tournament brackets just to make a decent salary...
Not surprised with the high rate of match fix and shady things going on in the scene.
Because it's not Prime this time, but motherfucking Life?
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Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
What is better then alot of cash? Even more cash!
Missing cash might be a strong factor in commiting such a crime, but having cash does not prevent it from happening. Even if you "dont have any need to fix", fixing is always an option to find more money. This is nothing which makes it more unlikely or likely that he fixed games/was involved in it. We will see what KESPA and the local law enforcment will tell us about this, but all this "he has the money, he doesnt need/wouldnt fix for money!" is straight out not right. When you want more money, you use your options to aquire more money.
Of course. I'm just reaaaally don't want it to be anything because that would kill my interest in SC2 super hard, so I gotta find reasons!
ahahaha oh man, i love life and if this is turns out bad then that really sucks and it'll probably depress me away from sc2 a bit
but honestly, the tears will be hilarious. truly truly hilarious. i love watching people overreact to this stuff. my life is over because a teenager in korea cheated for money!
Maybe.. They're saying he was actually arrested though, not just questioned. Seems a little more serious.
I can't take this.
Hoping we get more info quickly. I tend to agree with what you said though, Life is making loads of cash, he didn't have any need to fix like Prime did, so hopefully it's just some strange betting lines or something
savior had no need either..
I will wait for an official announcement until i form my opinion about this.
but jumping onto the savior-train: a reason for good players to match-fix could be, that they think they´re safe, because nobody expects that kind of fraud from them...
even if life is not guilty, his name is up for debate now and i hope in case of not being guilty, life can shove this off his shoulders and perform like he did before - or better!
On January 29 2016 22:18 RiSkysc2 wrote: I don't know if the Korean scene can survive this if he is charged.
Very worrying.
Are we going to let one players shitty behavior kill something we love? I for sure wont. Now lets try to keep eachother calm until we get some more information on the subject.
I guess it needs to be said at this point that we should not all go crazy in this thread. Stay calm and wait for news. Don't crucify anyone yet until we actually know they actually deserve it.
It's the same guys who busted Prime? Back then they immediately came out with an investigation report, no prior rumors or anything. This is an unfortunate course of action for Life.
Then again, where would matchfixing allegations come from all of a sudden? He's been mostly winning for the last few months.
It also could just be Life having done something stupid like driving under the influence on his birthday -.-
On January 29 2016 22:18 RiSkysc2 wrote: I don't know if the Korean scene can survive this if he is charged.
Very worrying.
Are we going to let one players shitty behavior kill something we love? I for sure wont. Now lets try to keep eachother calm until we get some more information on the subject.
true - those playing fair are the ones who are damaged the most by those who play dirty. problem is: this is not the first case looking at what happened with prime not so long ago.
On January 29 2016 22:21 lichter wrote: I guess it needs to be said at this point that we should not all go crazy in this thread. Stay calm and wait for news. Don't crucify anyone yet until we actually know they actually deserve it.
As far as I'm concerned, they will release a statement soon where they thank Life for his cooperation and award him a medal for being crucial in fighting matchfixing in korea.
On January 29 2016 22:21 lichter wrote: I guess it needs to be said at this point that we should not all go crazy in this thread. Stay calm and wait for news. Don't crucify anyone yet until we actually know they actually deserve it.
As far as I'm concerned, they will release a statement soon where they thank Life for his cooperation and award him a medal for being crucial in fighting matchfixing in korea.
On January 29 2016 22:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: I doubt anything will come out of this and I'm sure life will come out of this absolutely fine, if not a bit jaded by the incident.
I hope your words won't be become a meme like Apollo's words regarding the Korean scene.
Just occured to me, wasn't one of the Prime matches they were accused of matchfixing Yoda vs. Life? Maybe he's called on to testify to that specific match, or if maybe he knew something.
exactly that, hes not arrested but rather in custody until investigation is done.
arrested means that there is actual meaningful evidence to support it.
In my country if you are in custody, then it's because there is evidence to support a custody. You can be arrested and not put into custody. So that doesn't really help me
The kespa statement doesnt exactly give off positive vibe though, saying that they wont withhold information if its revealed to be matchfixing/gambling ect. Seems defensive and cautious of situation.
On January 29 2016 22:26 Sakat wrote: Just occured to me, wasn't one of the Prime matches they were accused of matchfixing Yoda vs. Life? Maybe he's called on to testify to that specific match, or if maybe he knew something.
You are correct. Life vs YoDa in GSL on February 13, 2015, was one of the matches YoDa was in fact accused of matchfixing in. Though this questioning sounds a bit more dramatic. I mean, they could have told KeSPA if that was the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:26 Sakat wrote: Just occured to me, wasn't one of the Prime matches they were accused of matchfixing Yoda vs. Life? Maybe he's called on to testify to that specific match, or if maybe he knew something.
You are correct. Life vs YoDa in GSL on February 13, 2015, was one of the matches YoDa was in fact accused of matchfixing in. Though this questioning sounds a bit more dramatic. I mean, they could have told KeSPA if that was the reason.
Wouldn't think it'd be anything to do with that though would you? All the Yoda/Prime stuff should have already been investigated and sorted out.
I don't think it's just "being put in custody". I mean, the word "체포"'s dictionary definition is "police or prosecution detaining a suspect after an issue of warrant"
It's really hard to believe Life would be involved in anything, as he has another quite efficient way of making money through SC2, it's called winning the fucking GSL. Maybe the police should operate a little more discreetly with publicly known people ...
In Czech Republic> Put in custody means they have a suspicion and they don't want him to talk to anybody out there before they can talk with him so he cannot be influenced or prepared. There has to be a reason for this = there's some evidence pointing at Life and things can settle both ways(prosecution/innocence).
An arrest means that they have enough evidence to actually prosecute him.
I am not sure if Korea has the same system but I would guess so.
The real difference is - we don't know what's happening but my guess is that he's there in custody because otherwise KeSPA would be shitting all over him(remember the quick bans and shitstorm over Prime boys?).
Also a man can be put into custody so he's protected from harm. But I don't think he's there for protection, that would be horrible(fact that someone wants to hurt this kid so badly...)
On January 29 2016 22:34 opisska wrote: It's really hard to believe Life would be involved in anything, as he has another quite efficient way of making money through SC2, it's called winning the fucking GSL. Maybe the police should operate a little more discreetly with publicly known people ...
On January 29 2016 22:26 Sakat wrote: Just occured to me, wasn't one of the Prime matches they were accused of matchfixing Yoda vs. Life? Maybe he's called on to testify to that specific match, or if maybe he knew something.
You are correct. Life vs YoDa in GSL on February 13, 2015, was one of the matches YoDa was in fact accused of matchfixing in. Though this questioning sounds a bit more dramatic. I mean, they could have told KeSPA if that was the reason.
Wouldn't think it'd be anything to do with that though would you? All the Yoda/Prime stuff should have already been investigated and sorted out.
It's not very likely, no, and KeSPA seems a bit too defensive for it to be something that harmless. We'll learn soon enough what it's about, however. Keep in mind Prime was busted in one fell swoop, one day to another, without any prior warning to us, complete with a full investigation report. Already different than this. And I'm not sure that's a good thing.
So... Artosis said Life's Code A match will be next Friday, is that a reason for us to calm down just a little bit, or should we further increase our panic levels?
On January 29 2016 22:26 Sakat wrote: Just occured to me, wasn't one of the Prime matches they were accused of matchfixing Yoda vs. Life? Maybe he's called on to testify to that specific match, or if maybe he knew something.
You are correct. Life vs YoDa in GSL on February 13, 2015, was one of the matches YoDa was in fact accused of matchfixing in. Though this questioning sounds a bit more dramatic. I mean, they could have told KeSPA if that was the reason.
Wouldn't think it'd be anything to do with that though would you? All the Yoda/Prime stuff should have already been investigated and sorted out.
It's not very likely, no, and KeSPA seems a bit too defensive for it to be something that harmless. We'll learn soon enough what it's about, however. Keep in mind Prime was busted in one fell swoop, one day to another, without any prior warning to us, complete with a full investigation report. Already different than this. And I'm not sure that's a good thing.
I'm just trying to stay positive since Life is my favourite Korean Zerg to watch since JD stopped being top-tier
They should be more careful with the arrest. That will only make interest in sc2 dwindle more. Interest of those who play the community drama and news, not the game ofc
On January 29 2016 22:39 Elentos wrote: So... Artosis said Life's Code A match will be next Friday, is that a reason for us to calm down just a little bit, or should we further increase our panic levels?
I'm sure it's just because they can't say anything else. You can't just kick him out of Code A in case it's nothing, so just postpone it until the investigation is sorted.
It makes no sense for Life to match fix. It's not the money he earned, it's his future earning potential. Not to mention his GOAT reputation. Why risk it all for a quick cash? Then again, athletes in "real sports" have done dumber things.
On January 29 2016 22:43 TRaFFiC wrote: It makes no sense for Life to match fix. It's not the money he earned, it's his future earning potential. Not to mention his GOAT reputation. Why risk it all for a quick cash? Then again, athletes in "real sports" have done dumber things.
On January 29 2016 22:44 AWalker9 wrote: Wolf did talk about people should expect the worst when it was found what Prime were doing before he re-dacted his statement.
Lol yeah, didn't he say there was lots of big names going to be involved and stuff too? He said he saw some list or something? Prophet Wolf.
On January 29 2016 22:43 TRaFFiC wrote: It makes no sense for Life to match fix. It's not the money he earned, it's his future earning potential. Not to mention his GOAT reputation. Why risk it all for a quick cash? Then again, athletes in "real sports" have done dumber things.
On January 29 2016 22:44 AWalker9 wrote: Wolf did talk about people should expect the worst when it was found what Prime were doing before he re-dacted his statement.
Lol yeah, didn't he say there was lots of big names going to be involved and stuff too? He said he saw some list or something? Prophet Wolf.
On January 29 2016 22:43 TRaFFiC wrote: It makes no sense for Life to match fix. It's not the money he earned, it's his future earning potential. Not to mention his GOAT reputation. Why risk it all for a quick cash? Then again, athletes in "real sports" have done dumber things.
GOAT?
Greatest of all time.
Well it was to be expected. BboongBboong lost a game to Flash so i assume Flash talked to the police. There was a game with Bogus too. i just forgot life was in there too.
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It makes no sense to us, that doesn't change. Though that doesn't mean he's innocent at the same time
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
On January 29 2016 22:44 AWalker9 wrote: Wolf did talk about people should expect the worst when it was found what Prime were doing before he re-dacted his statement.
Lol yeah, didn't he say there was lots of big names going to be involved and stuff too? He said he saw some list or something? Prophet Wolf.
He took it back because he didn't see anything official aside from the Prime thing and didn't want to damage anyone with his statements.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Errr.....I don't think thats equivalent
They definitely arent however the man still has a point. Rapers rape for plenty of other reasons than "too ugly to get some" just like how someone who earns plenty of money still might do illegal things which will result in even more money for him/her, even if its not about needing the money per se.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Errr.....I don't think thats equivalent
... it's exactly equivalent
"life didn't fix because he already has legitimate money so he has no need to risk on illegitimate betting" "celebrity didn't rape because he already has female fans who would consent to sex so he has no need to risk committing rape"
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
and there are lots of people who aren't short on women to have consensual sex with, yet still commit rape? what do you not understand?
i'm not bringing this up randomly, it's extremely common as a defense of stars accused of sexual assault, like ben roethlisberger in american football, and people are doing the same thing here
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
So? High-level players have matchfixed before. The voided Pinnacle bets even suggested a couple of other high-level players matchfixed. When the information was released, I was surprised B4 and Yoda were paid so much to throw games, I imagine someone like Life would have been paid waaaaaaaay more.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.
Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
On January 29 2016 22:52 lichter wrote: let's not turn this into an idiotic "rape" thread please
lol ok lichter. esports stars being defended by fans who don't want to believe they did something bad has no connection to sports stars or celebrities being defended by fans who don't want to believe they did something bad even when they're using equivalent logic which is flawed for the same reason
but sure, i get your point that we don't want to sidetrack the thread into something about rape, but i'm not guilty of that. i was making a logically valid point. but if you want to hallucinate that i'm trying to bait some kind of rapechat then mod how you gonna mod ;D
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.
Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.
On January 29 2016 22:55 Thouhastmail wrote: This is ridiculous - even SaviOr or Prime guys did not arrested. Korean prosecutors hardly issue warrants unless the suspect disobeys summons.
On January 29 2016 22:55 aQuaSC wrote: They just did it to take away people's attention from how awful new WCS is for the longevity of the game!
In the meantime Korean scene is strangling itself.
Yeah, they want to make sure THEY kill the scene not the WCS
I didn't think of that, maybe Life did something malicious to kill legitimacy of the Korean scene and therefore sacrifice himself so the others are not blamed for their errors? Hmm.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.
Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:53 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.
Hmm, it seems you're making the same mistake you accuse others of now. Things like this are actually more prevalent when people lack/ need money.
On January 29 2016 22:56 brickrd wrote: but sure, i get your point that we don't want to sidetrack the thread into something about rape, but i'm not guilty of that. i was making a logically valid point. but if you want to hallucinate that i'm trying to bait some kind of rapechat then mod how you gonna mod ;D
i know it wasn't a bait, but it's a sensitive issue that will definitely derail the thread and make it a lot worse than it has to be. doesn't matter who started it, it just needed to end.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
It sounds like slandering players might be acceptable in the future
We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
It sounds like slandering players might be acceptable in the future
We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
It sounds like slandering players might be acceptable in the future
Yeah, once we have more information, we may slander the shit out of them, even TL staff may help with this haha
On January 29 2016 22:44 Lumi wrote: I hope he sues for defamation when cleared
in what insane lewis carroll universe would life have any grounds to sue anyone here?
I think you're a funny person because, as I've seen throughout this thread, you're capable of expecting people to give you the time of day when you stink of disrespect from across the world.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.
Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:53 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.
Hmm, it seems you're making the same mistake you accuse others of now. Things like this are actually more prevalent when people lack/ need money.
that's not how probability works. he's under investigation which in itself makes him an isolated case.
if life were NOT being investigated, then you could say that he is less likely in a predictive sense to do such a thing based on demographic data (assuming such data actually indicates less success increases those odds, which is believable, but i don't have those numbers)
but once he's accused, if for example he were on trial it would not make any sense to try to defend him by saying "well, he's successful, so why would he do it?" sure, his lawyer would probably try to insinuate exactly that, just like lawyers of rich white people try to argue that they're successful and respected in their communities. but it's not real logic. you can't argue that someone robbed a bank because they're poor and poor people need money, and it doesn't make sense in reverse either
this is all assuming there is legitimate evidence of something and that there's no crazy conspiracy to frame life, which is possible as far as i know. but if there is legit evidence, that affects him as a data point, and it becomes a question of did he do something, yes or no, not "would he" do something
all that said, we still don't know all of this. but people are talking, and one of the things they're saying is that he wouldn't do it because he's rich, which is very very very silly.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.
Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:53 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.
Hmm, it seems you're making the same mistake you accuse others of now. Things like this are actually more prevalent when people lack/ need money.
that's not how probability works. he's under investigation which in itself makes him an isolated case.
if life were NOT being investigated, then you could say that he is less likely in a predictive sense to do such a thing based on demographic data (assuming such data actually indicates less success increases those odds, which is believable, but i don't have those numbers)
but once he's accused, if for example he were on trial it would not make any sense to try to defend him by saying "well, he's successful, so why would he do it?" sure, his lawyer would probably try to insinuate exactly that, just like lawyers of rich white people try to argue that they're successful and respected in their communities. but it's not real logic. you can't argue that someone robbed a bank because they're poor and poor people need money, and it doesn't make sense in reverse either
this is all assuming there is legitimate evidence of something and that there's no crazy conspiracy to frame life, which is possible as far as i know. but if there is legit evidence, that affects him as a data point, and it becomes a question of did he do something, yes or no, not "would he" do something
all that said, we still don't know all of this. but people are talking, and one of the things they're saying is that he wouldn't do it because he's rich, which is very very very silly.
True. If anything, it's more understandable (less bad?) when poor people commit an economic crime
But I don't think Musicus said "he wouldn't do it because he's rich"
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.
Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:53 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.
Hmm, it seems you're making the same mistake you accuse others of now. Things like this are actually more prevalent when people lack/ need money.
that's not how probability works. he's under investigation which in itself makes him an isolated case.
if life were NOT being investigated, then you could say that he is less likely in a predictive sense to do such a thing based on demographic data (assuming such data actually indicates less success increases those odds, which is believable, but i don't have those numbers)
but once he's accused, if for example he were on trial it would not make any sense to try to defend him by saying "well, he's successful, so why would he do it?" sure, his lawyer would probably try to insinuate exactly that, just like lawyers of rich white people try to argue that they're successful and respected in their communities. but it's not real logic. you can't argue that someone robbed a bank because they're poor and poor people need money, and it doesn't make sense in reverse either
this is all assuming there is legitimate evidence of something and that there's no crazy conspiracy to frame life, which is possible as far as i know. but if there is legit evidence, that affects him as a data point, and it becomes a question of did he do something, yes or no, not "would he" do something
all that said, we still don't know all of this. but people are talking, and one of the things they're saying is that he wouldn't do it because he's rich, which is very very very silly.
True. If anything, it's more understandable (less bad?) when poor people commit an economic crime
But I don't think Musicus said "he wouldn't do it because he's rich"
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote: Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.
It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?
kt has great coaching, infrastructure etc. Infact kt is just the best team overall and anyone going there can become good (look at spped), but Life is a prodigy, he doesnt do much for months, he slacks off he gets distracted and enjoys his life, and then for a few months a year he puts his back into it, regains his passion and becomes an absolute god
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote: Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.
It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?
kt has great coaching, infrastructure etc. Infact kt is just the best team overall and anyone going there can become good (look at spped), but Life is a prodigy, he doesnt do much for months, he slacks off he gets distracted and enjoys his life, and then for a few months a year he puts his back into it, regains his passion and becomes an absolute god
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
It does not mean he is innocent, but it makes it less likely still. It's not prove, but still relevant. It makes you question his motives.
Worst case scenario it's just greed, a base motive. But often that's just not the case. Most human beings have a reason for doing bad stuff. When the Prime case was made public, nobody was surprised, because everybody could guess the reason.
On January 29 2016 22:53 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
As I wrote earlier - that doesn't mean he's innocent.
I does not, but it does make this case weird.
it does not make it any less likely at all, and if you truly believe that then you're a starstruck fan not using proper critical thinking.
Hmm, it seems you're making the same mistake you accuse others of now. Things like this are actually more prevalent when people lack/ need money.
that's not how probability works. he's under investigation which in itself makes him an isolated case.
if life were NOT being investigated, then you could say that he is less likely in a predictive sense to do such a thing based on demographic data (assuming such data actually indicates less success increases those odds, which is believable, but i don't have those numbers)
but once he's accused, if for example he were on trial it would not make any sense to try to defend him by saying "well, he's successful, so why would he do it?" sure, his lawyer would probably try to insinuate exactly that, just like lawyers of rich white people try to argue that they're successful and respected in their communities. but it's not real logic. you can't argue that someone robbed a bank because they're poor and poor people need money, and it doesn't make sense in reverse either
this is all assuming there is legitimate evidence of something and that there's no crazy conspiracy to frame life, which is possible as far as i know. but if there is legit evidence, that affects him as a data point, and it becomes a question of did he do something, yes or no, not "would he" do something
all that said, we still don't know all of this. but people are talking, and one of the things they're saying is that he wouldn't do it because he's rich, which is very very very silly.
brickrd, that's not how probability works either.
For example, if you take a mammography and it comes out positive, are you likely to have breast cancer? Intuitively you might think yes, but actually since the test has false positives and cancer rates are low, it's about as likely that the test gave a false answer than that you have cancer. You would be wise to gather more evidence because of this uncertainty.
Similarly, given players have a low chance of being match-fixers. A player getting arrested/questioned increases that chance significantly, but it doesn't somehow magically make the overall low rate disappear or "not count", nor does it remove additional factors that make him unlikely to fix matches. So we really have no good information either way, but factors that reduced probability before continue to reduce probability.
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote: Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.
It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?
kt has great coaching, infrastructure etc. Infact kt is just the best team overall and anyone going there can become good (look at spped), but Life is a prodigy, he doesnt do much for months, he slacks off he gets distracted and enjoys his life, and then for a few months a year he puts his back into it, regains his passion and becomes an absolute god
He probably wanted his old Life and friends back!
KT seemed to have taken away his smile
Yup while the first part about kt beeing the greatest wasnt meant too seriously, the second part defenitely is.
He seemed to have way more fun in the lax StarTale
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers.
Don't just call people naive. Maybe he was on a powertrip (sAviOr)
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers.
Also if you want to do something bad to get some passion from evil deeds. you can dismantle Lego buildings of others and then throw the lego parts all over the floor so others can step on it! THAT'S EVIL!!!
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers.
Also if you want to do something bad to get some passion from evil deeds. you can dismantle Lego buildings of others and then throw the lego parts all over the floor so others can step on it! THAT'S EVIL!!!
Lol, indeed worse than matchfixing, that must be painful to see.
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote: Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.
It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?
Didn't like KT?
That's what I think, but why do it so suddenly? Also why the fuck did he participate in the PL photoshoot for KT then?
edit: agreed with poster above but the same questions apply
Maybe he stopped doing well in practice and was falling behind his teammates. Then he got unhappy and talked to some of the Afreeca guys. Then Legend went to Mr. Chae, and Legend said "We need an ace player". And Mr. Chae spoke "You can have one, we have eSports money." And Legend said "We want Life." And Mr. Chae said "You shall get him." And they offered the Leenocktopus in return, and KT Rolster said "Okay."
On January 29 2016 23:16 Silvana wrote: Let's try to deviate the attention to something not painful.
It was confirmed that it was Life who requested the transfer from KT to Freecs. Why do you think he did that?
Didn't like KT?
That's what I think, but why do it so suddenly? Also why the fuck did he participate in the PL photoshoot for KT then?
edit: agreed with poster above but the same questions apply
Maybe he stopped doing well in practice and was falling behind his teammates. Then he got unhappy and talked to some of the Afreeca guys. Then Legend went to Mr. Chae, and Legend said "We need an ace player". And Mr. Chae spoke "You can have one, we have eSports money." And Legend said "We want Life." And Mr. Chae said "You shall get him." And they offered the Leenocktopus in return, and KT Rolster said "Okay."
This is how I remember Real Madrid 10 years back(more or less). Coach was pointing at random players and he received them all
It was known that a lot of fixing was going on, but I didn't expect it from such a star player :o, if it turns out to be true. Idc about Life but I hope that the scene can survive, that and the new WCS...
Somehow connected question - can you bet on foreigner events too? I am not into betting so I don't know how to properly search it and I am at work anyway so I shouldn't
On January 29 2016 23:39 deacon.frost wrote: Somehow connected question - can you bet on foreigner events too? I am not into betting so I don't know how to properly search it and I am at work anyway so I shouldn't
Pinnacle offers odds for big "foreigner events" too, e.g. for the last dreamhack. Don't know about other sites though.
On January 29 2016 23:39 deacon.frost wrote: Somehow connected question - can you bet on foreigner events too? I am not into betting so I don't know how to properly search it and I am at work anyway so I shouldn't
Pinnacle offers odds for big "foreigner events" too, e.g. for the last dreamhack. Don't know about other sites though.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table.
I didn't say only for boredom, but we did get figures of what they were paid to throw matches, and it's shit. Nothing compared to what you'd make by going far in a StarLeague let alone their salary...
Please teach me more about a scene I've been following for over 10 years.
Pinnacle Sports just cancelled the results in the Code A match between Super and RagnaroK.
[Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
Just before the match started the odds for map 1 changed a lot. Someone put a lot of money on RagnaroK on map 1 and Pinnacle obviously belive map 1 was rigged.
Pisses me off because i bet on Super for match and all maps.
On January 29 2016 23:56 ShizzK wrote: Pinnacle Sports just cancelled the results in the Code A match between Super and RagnaroK.
[Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
Just before the match started the odds for map 1 changed a lot. Someone put a lot of money on RagnaroK on map 1 and Pinnacle obviously belive map 1 was rigged.
Pisses me off because i bet on Super for match and all maps.
I think Super had suspicious betting pattens on one of his matches before.
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
you wouldn't be worried about him doing coke in public? lol
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
you wouldn't be worried about him doing coke in public? lol
On January 29 2016 23:56 ShizzK wrote: Pinnacle Sports just cancelled the results in the Code A match between Super and RagnaroK.
[Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
Just before the match started the odds for map 1 changed a lot. Someone put a lot of money on RagnaroK on map 1 and Pinnacle obviously belive map 1 was rigged.
Pisses me off because i bet on Super for match and all maps.
I think Super had suspicious betting pattens on one of his matches before.
Super vs INnoVation had a cancelled bet, albeit on a map Super won.
Also I just found this one:
On July 10 2015 20:55 ShizzK wrote: Pinnacle Sports cancel bets on Life vs aLive
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[E Sport] [Starcraft 2 - Starcraft 2 StarLeague] [kamp] Life vs aLive. [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
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I did not watch the match tho, so I am not sure why. Anyone?
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.
I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.
I hope he's not involved. But all of those 'illegal betting scandals' are just a testament to what happens when someone gets too invested in something that hardly brings any money.
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table.
I didn't say only for boredom, but we did get figures of what they were paid to throw matches, and it's shit. Nothing compared to what you'd make by going far in a StarLeague let alone their salary...
Please teach me more about a scene I've been following for over 10 years.
I am out of this argument with you, it is not relevant for me anymore, and fyi I have been following, playing, and.. RTS since 1999, do your math guy. hf cya gl
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.
I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.
Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way
"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.
I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.
Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way
"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"
Yeah, wouldn't hurt the scene at all, I'm sure.
If someone would actually be sentenced to prison for just taking drugs, it won't shed bad light on esport, but on the legal system of the country in question. Because that's absolutely ridiculous - and also quite off topic.
On January 29 2016 23:56 ShizzK wrote: Pinnacle Sports just cancelled the results in the Code A match between Super and RagnaroK.
[Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
Just before the match started the odds for map 1 changed a lot. Someone put a lot of money on RagnaroK on map 1 and Pinnacle obviously belive map 1 was rigged.
Pisses me off because i bet on Super for match and all maps.
I think Super had suspicious betting pattens on one of his matches before.
Super vs INnoVation had a cancelled bet, albeit on a map Super won.
On July 10 2015 20:55 ShizzK wrote: Pinnacle Sports cancel bets on Life vs aLive
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[E Sport] [Starcraft 2 - Starcraft 2 StarLeague] [kamp] Life vs aLive. [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
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I did not watch the match tho, so I am not sure why. Anyone?
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.
I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.
Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way
"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"
Yeah, wouldn't hurt the scene at all, I'm sure.
If someone would actually be sentenced to prison for just taking drugs, it won't shed bad light on esport, but on the legal system of the country in question. Because that's absolutely ridiculous - and also quite off topic.
you may be logically right, but you are socially wrong. moral panic, especially relating to kids, modern hobbies and drugs, is extremely potent and such a thing could absolutely cause hostility toward esports. people aren't thinking about causality when they freak out about their kids being "corrupted"
As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)
He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor. And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%
This news sucks for esport and sc2, but somehow I am also a bit excited about what the hell this is about. Never liked Life but I would never have thought he would do matchfixing. Its probably something else, the trade between Afreeca and Kt is a bit fishy though. Why did he want to go so sudden and why did KT let him go? Maybe KT had noticed something.
Can someone with a good grasp on the situation give a decent summary of what's going on here? Facts only please, if speculation please call it as such.
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.
I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.
Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way
"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"
Yeah, wouldn't hurt the scene at all, I'm sure.
If someone would actually be sentenced to prison for just taking drugs, it won't shed bad light on esport, but on the legal system of the country in question. Because that's absolutely ridiculous - and also quite off topic.
Unfortunately, that's not how people work. Your view of the thing is rational, but the reactions to such a scandal wouldn't be. Every time there's a school shooting in Germany, what people talk about is video games - mostly shooters like Call of Duty - if the culprit played them regularly. What people don't talk about is the kid's social life, upbringing etc.
On January 30 2016 00:19 Incognoto wrote: What's up?
Can someone with a good grasp on the situation give a decent summary of what's going on here? Facts only please, if speculation please call it as such.
nobody really knows anything about his arrest as far as i can tell, but if the native korean guy with 1 post on the last page is correct, the situation looks really bad for life already
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)
He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor. And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%
As he's arrested by prosecutor it obviously means that his arrest is part of some running case, right? I mean it's kind of common sense that it could be about match fixing, but it's not known, no official statement was made yet. I wish people could stay away from assumptions, they damage truth and honesty in public opinion far too much nowadays...
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table.
I didn't say only for boredom, but we did get figures of what they were paid to throw matches, and it's shit. Nothing compared to what you'd make by going far in a StarLeague let alone their salary...
Please teach me more about a scene I've been following for over 10 years.
I am out of this argument with you, it is not relevant for me anymore, and fyi I have been following, playing, and.. RTS since 1999, do your math guy. hf cya gl
Can't argue with the facts so try to stage a "cool" exit huh?
And if you insist on comparing dicks, I've been following and playing RTS since whenever WarCraft 1 came out.
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)
He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor. And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%
A conviction rate of 98%? There seems to be something wrong with the justice system in Korea then as well. That seems comically high.
On January 30 2016 00:19 Shuffleblade wrote: This news sucks for esport and sc2, but somehow I am also a bit excited about what the hell this is about. Never liked Life but I would never have thought he would do matchfixing. Its probably something else, the trade between Afreeca and Kt is a bit fishy though. Why did he want to go so sudden and why did KT let him go? Maybe KT had noticed something.
Or maybe he had good reason to leave KT since it was his will? Like running away from something.
It's night in Korea, any chance of getting any official word anytime soon?
On January 29 2016 23:56 ShizzK wrote: Pinnacle Sports just cancelled the results in the Code A match between Super and RagnaroK.
[Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
Just before the match started the odds for map 1 changed a lot. Someone put a lot of money on RagnaroK on map 1 and Pinnacle obviously belive map 1 was rigged.
Pisses me off because i bet on Super for match and all maps.
I think Super had suspicious betting pattens on one of his matches before.
Super vs INnoVation had a cancelled bet, albeit on a map Super won.
On July 10 2015 20:55 ShizzK wrote: Pinnacle Sports cancel bets on Life vs aLive
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[E Sport] [Starcraft 2 - Starcraft 2 StarLeague] [kamp] Life vs aLive. [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.]
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I did not watch the match tho, so I am not sure why. Anyone?
... hoping it was just a fakeout by gamblers.
Super vs Inno the problem was on Inno's side, had to lose the 1st map.
On January 30 2016 00:19 Shuffleblade wrote: This news sucks for esport and sc2, but somehow I am also a bit excited about what the hell this is about. Never liked Life but I would never have thought he would do matchfixing. Its probably something else, the trade between Afreeca and Kt is a bit fishy though. Why did he want to go so sudden and why did KT let him go? Maybe KT had noticed something.
Both teams stated that they were unaware of this situation at the time of the transfer.
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.
I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.
Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way
"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"
On January 29 2016 23:56 suicideyear wrote: i'm hoping it was just some shit like life doing rails of coke in public and that this was all some misunderstanding and he didn't throw any games
Yeah that's even worse though.
You'll actually get YEARS in jail in SK for doing drugs other than tobacco/alcohol.
Though it wouldn't hurt SC2 scene.
I am personally hoping for some Life's personal shit too. And something crazy - like driving some expensive car(Ferrari etc.) and crashing into something. Or driving without license and not cooperating with Police or something.
Also I hope this ends well. Life finds a way
"This just in: greatest Starcraft 2 player of all time sentenced to 3 years of prison for drug abuse. Has eSports gone too far? Is your child consuming more than just games?"
Yeah, wouldn't hurt the scene at all, I'm sure.
In a scene where stephano is a super star...
but stephano being a "bad boy" isn't likely to get attention outside of the scene, whereas arguably the top korean player in one of the top esports could attract headlines that would reach korean parents in the media and suggest that there could be some kind of sinister, criminal element to the scene
of course this is all speculation, but it's been proven time and time again that this is how sensationalism and moral panic in the media functions
Doesn't seem likely that Life would be match fixing. He wasn't mentioned in the pinnacle bets, so that would mean he would be part of some other unrelated organisation... It's not impossible but I'd be surprised.
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)
He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor. And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%
A conviction rate of 98%? There seems to be something wrong with the justice system in Korea then as well. That seems comically high.
Thats more a rate I would expect above the 38th degree of latitude
On January 30 2016 00:29 Nebuchad wrote: Doesn't seem likely that Life would be match fixing. He wasn't mentioned in the pinnacle bets, so that would mean he would be part of some other unrelated organisation... It's not impossible but I'd be surprised.
Some pages back somebody quoted examples of matches that were voided by Pinnacle that Life was involved in.
On January 29 2016 21:56 Quateras wrote: I cant believe Life would do that...however if this turns out to be true, i think I'm done with watching korean games for a while, holy shit man >_>
You can't believe Life would do what? Nobody said he did anything, he is under investigation for something.
Scary news, and so little information. I should be doing something productive instead of lurking around here waiting for official news.... Hoping for the best. I like how many people refrain from judging Life before we get more information. Just wish more people had done so when it was MarineKing... *sigh*
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)
He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor. And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%
A conviction rate of 98%? There seems to be something wrong with the justice system in Korea then as well. That seems comically high.
oh god please no that would end all my interest in sc2.. life is my fav player of all time and the only reason im still watching sc2. this is gonna be a long weekend of f5 and anxiety.
On January 30 2016 00:38 Makro wrote: everybody here needs to CHILL
TL is gonna send their best agent who is Shellshock and life's gonna be OK (plus he's gonna save the korean scene)
honestly i'm surprised how chill the reaction is so far, considering life is probably the worst possible person for this headline. as much as people freaking out, i think a lot of us are just really interested to find out what happens next. the mystery is sexy (note: my tablet autocorrected sexy to "zest"... bad omens...)
On January 30 2016 00:29 Nebuchad wrote: Doesn't seem likely that Life would be match fixing. He wasn't mentioned in the pinnacle bets, so that would mean he would be part of some other unrelated organisation... It's not impossible but I'd be surprised.
Some pages back somebody quoted examples of matches that were voided by Pinnacle that Life was involved in.
One match. I made a list back then of all people those Pinnacle voids would make suspect and Life wasn't on it. Doesn't mean much ofc.
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)
He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor. And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%
A conviction rate of 98%? There seems to be something wrong with the justice system in Korea then as well. That seems comically high.
Thats more a rate I would expect above the 38th degree of latitude
This conviction rate of 98% have 2 reasons. 1. Prosecutors should not arrest suspect without obvious proof(=easily) If he is innocent, investigation and custody and trial can be heavy burden to his life.
2. real world is different from comic book Criminal cannot hide proof in most case, and police can find proof in most case
On January 30 2016 00:17 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I explain serious point for you guys (forgive my awkward engilish sentences)
He's arrested by prosecutor, not by police This means Life can be involved in serious crime, not misdemeanor. And considering winning rate of prosecutors in korean court, Life is guilty more than 98%
A conviction rate of 98%? There seems to be something wrong with the justice system in Korea then as well. That seems comically high.
However, for patronising westerners, I would mention that Europe and USA`s rate of conviction is over 90% too.
Well, that makes sense. Say you robbed a store, police will not arrest you until they find the security camera recordings. And at that point, it would be hard to dodge a convinction. Just an example.
I realize that I am literally close to crying. I was embarassed about this at first, then I realized how much joy Life gave to me. I don't know what is going on but I damn hope and pray that he is innocent. Zealously, I remember that LR where Life won and you went out and danced on the street. Keep your head up.
On January 30 2016 00:35 Mekare wrote: Scary news, and so little information. I should be doing something productive instead of lurking around here waiting for official news.... Hoping for the best. I like how many people refrain from judging Life before we get more information. Just wish more people had done so when it was MarineKing... *sigh*
I dunno about you, MKP is dead to me since that incident. I don't care he was found not guilty. But that's my personal opinion.
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
Probably wanted to get rid of association as soon as possible.
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
The trade involved Life and Leenock though, what Losira has to do with this?
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
It was Leenock. And the statement says that both teams involved in the trade were unaware of these allegations, and that Life asked for KT to allow the trade.
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
Probably wanted to get rid of association as soon as possible.
well both teams claim they had no knowledge of this, and frankly if afreeca found out KT knew he was under investigation and didn't divulge, couldn't the trade be nullified by kespa? like in american sports i believe you have to disclose injuries to players you're trying to trade
On January 30 2016 00:52 Ppjack wrote: I hope it is something gaming related and not really big serious. Ending your career is nothing compared to fucking up your life by going to jail.
maybe he was a North Korean spy and can be exchanged for another spy?
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
The trade involved Life and Leenock though, what Losira has to do with this?
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
it was life vs leenock. and as yoda and bbongbbong, coach got banned and arrestet, someone said there will be more coming up soon, about matchfixing in korea.
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
Probably wanted to get rid of association as soon as possible.
well both teams claim they had no knowledge of this, and frankly if afreeca found out KT knew he was under investigation and didn't divulge, couldn't the trade be nullified by kespa? like in american sports i believe you have to disclose injuries to players you're trying to trade
life will play next friday. thats what they said on todays GSL stream.
Well this thread is more interesting than my thesis, sure. I just hope that some clarification will arrive rather sooner than later so that I can continue to study and ppl can chill.
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
They traded him for Leenock and it's also not really all that strange if you know KT Rolster, they are a team that value Proleague above Individual League's. Life was never the best player in Proleague (52% win rate with 12-11 in games, 0-1 in ace match last proleague) or GSTL generally. Leenock on the other hand had a much better winrate in Proleague last season (61% with 11-7 in games, 1-1 in ace match). Hence why for KT, Leenock is looking better then Life for their win chance in Proleague.
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
Probably wanted to get rid of association as soon as possible.
well both teams claim they had no knowledge of this, and frankly if afreeca found out KT knew he was under investigation and didn't divulge, couldn't the trade be nullified by kespa? like in american sports i believe you have to disclose injuries to players you're trying to trade
life will play next friday. thats what they said on todays GSL stream.
kespa can't know that he will play unless the police inform kespa that he isn't being charged, and if that were the case kespa would have said in their statement "he is not being charged" instead of being defensive about the possibility of fixing
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
The trade involved Life and Leenock though, what Losira has to do with this?
tbh i mix up leenock and losira all the time
... one is called cat zerg and has like 1500 APM, the other has purple hair, easy to tell them apart
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
Probably wanted to get rid of association as soon as possible.
well both teams claim they had no knowledge of this, and frankly if afreeca found out KT knew he was under investigation and didn't divulge, couldn't the trade be nullified by kespa? like in american sports i believe you have to disclose injuries to players you're trying to trade
While that might be true, we don't really know the details of the deal. Could be something weird that would lead to just Life joining Afreeca would be nullified.
Though if KT knew, KeSPA knew, and KeSPA should have interfered back then, theoretically.
I believe, innocent until proven otherwise. Also listening to Don't Stop Believing might be a good thing right now And I'm surprised with how calm I am right now, 5 hours after reading this... ahh... but I'm also very afraid
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
i don't think it's stupid, i think about this possibility a lot. it's possible that the entire scene is just dominated by this sort of thing and that "clean" players are less common than we think. no way for us to prove this from our bedrooms, but i think it's naive to not even CONSIDER it. the whole system could be fucked as far as i know
On January 30 2016 00:50 SC2Towelie wrote: Pure speculation on my part here, but isn't it a little weird that KT traded Life, one of the greatest zerg players of all time, for Losira? And the trade occurred just before this news...
Probably wanted to get rid of association as soon as possible.
well both teams claim they had no knowledge of this, and frankly if afreeca found out KT knew he was under investigation and didn't divulge, couldn't the trade be nullified by kespa? like in american sports i believe you have to disclose injuries to players you're trying to trade
life will play next friday. thats what they said on todays GSL stream.
STX also said that they will continue to sponsor SC2 teams after they won PL but we all know what happened afterwards.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
i don't think it's stupid, i think about this possibility a lot. it's possible that the entire scene is just dominated by this sort of thing and that "clean" players are less common than we think. no way for us to prove this from our bedrooms, but i think it's naive to not even CONSIDER it. the whole system could be fucked as far as i know
much of the reasoning about how easy it is to matchfix tennis applies to SC2. and because it pays so much less players are far more vulnerable to corruption.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
Is it really necessary to keep him locked up though? I mean, he's not a danger to other people nor a mafioso i assume. They must have some very solid evidence to do this.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
On January 30 2016 01:10 Sapphire.lux wrote: Is it really necessary to keep him locked up though? I mean, he's not a danger to other people nor a mafioso i assume. They must have some very solid evidence to do this.
is it confirmed by korean speakers that he is under arrest and being kept in holding? i didn't fully understand the debate about "brought in/questioned/under arrest". do we know for sure he's sleeping in jail?
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
probably changes a lot because it's a reference to the fact that he's speculating and posting personal feelings. if i post "half the fuckers in Washington are probably corrupt" would you find that disrespectful? because there's reason to believe that too
you have a point that he was a bit disrespectful, but if he's angry about corruption in a scene he follows i think you can easily forgive some disrespect. but we aren't mods, so there isn't much left to say on this outside of the feedback forum
On January 30 2016 01:10 Sapphire.lux wrote: Is it really necessary to keep him locked up though? I mean, he's not a danger to other people nor a mafioso i assume. They must have some very solid evidence to do this.
is it confirmed by korean speakers that he is under arrest and being kept in holding? i didn't fully understand the debate about "brought in/questioned/under arrest". do we know for sure he's sleeping in jail?
That's what i understand from the OP, especially from the spoiler comment.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
Dude, I'm well aware of what Rekrul said. Look up the Pinnacle threads and you'd find I was very active in them while expressing my scepticism about the Korean scene. I just don't think what Tiaraju9 said was appropriate
Man this would be so bad. The Prime match fixing thing sucked, but it was Prime. They were broke and it was at least semi-understandable (even though it's still not forgivable) but Life? Dude has won GSLs and Blizzcon wtf
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
Hope it's just an interrogation, and not any accusations. It might just be a poor way of saying that the investigators want to hear what life knows about the issue.
On January 30 2016 01:10 Sapphire.lux wrote: Is it really necessary to keep him locked up though? I mean, he's not a danger to other people nor a mafioso i assume. They must have some very solid evidence to do this.
is it confirmed by korean speakers that he is under arrest and being kept in holding? i didn't fully understand the debate about "brought in/questioned/under arrest". do we know for sure he's sleeping in jail?
Well, if KeSPA has prohibited him from playing games on TV until the matter is resolved, it seems like he's not really under arrest and can move freely? I don't know what kind of penal system Korea has, but appearing on televised Starcraft matches from jail strikes me as highly unlikely.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
On January 30 2016 01:23 cheekymonkey wrote: Hope it's just an interrogation, and not any accusations. It might just be a poor way of saying that the investigators want to hear what life knows about the issue.
It's been already said that it's not very likely that it's a case where he's taken for questioning. He was arrested by prosecutor not by police.
On January 30 2016 01:10 Sapphire.lux wrote: Is it really necessary to keep him locked up though? I mean, he's not a danger to other people nor a mafioso i assume. They must have some very solid evidence to do this.
is it confirmed by korean speakers that he is under arrest and being kept in holding? i didn't fully understand the debate about "brought in/questioned/under arrest". do we know for sure he's sleeping in jail?
Well, if KeSPA has prohibited him from playing games on TV until the matter is resolved, it seems like he's not really under arrest and can move freely? I don't know what kind of penal system Korea has, but appearing on televised Starcraft matches from jail strikes me as highly unlikely.
Even if he was arrested and accused, I think it would be unlikely that they would contain him until he is sentenced anyway.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote: saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi
Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT.
Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world.
Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed.
You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table.
I didn't say only for boredom, but we did get figures of what they were paid to throw matches, and it's shit. Nothing compared to what you'd make by going far in a StarLeague let alone their salary...
Please teach me more about a scene I've been following for over 10 years.
I am out of this argument with you, it is not relevant for me anymore, and fyi I have been following, playing, and.. RTS since 1999, do your math guy. hf cya gl
Can't argue with the facts so try to stage a "cool" exit huh?
And if you insist on comparing dicks, I've been following and playing RTS since whenever WarCraft 1 came out.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
Just wait and see. Maybe it will turn out nothing. Maybe it will turn out bad. Don't get your head down for stuff we don't know yet. Rekrul did just a snark remark. Worry only if he write a full detail post.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
Where are you getting that from? Zealously is just saying that rekrul hasn't provided us with useful information on match fixing since BW. And his vague or weird remarks ever since don't count as breaking accurate information.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
"pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true.
if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them.
remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza?
if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
Precisely. And like the time when olimoley had a breakdown on Twitter and implied that a whole bunch of players were known to be matchfixing, fairly little has come of the claim that matchfixing is more rampant than ever. If someone who isn't (as far as I know) very involved with the scene and the players knows, why has so little been proven and so few convicted?
He has, regardless of my personal opinion, broken very little or no new (unique) information pertaining to anything SC2-related (matchfixing especially) that was later proven. Subtract hyperbole and maybe, but hyperbole is hardly appropriate if your intent is to deliver information.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
Precisely. And like the time when olimoley had a breakdown on Twitter and implied that a whole bunch of players were known to be matchfixing, fairly little has come of the claim that matchfixing is more rampant than ever. If someone who isn't (as far as I know) very involved with the scene and the players knows, why has so little been proven and so few convicted?
hopefully, because the system is based on innocent until proven guilty.
when Declan Hill's "The Fix" was published in 2010 there was no match fixing in european football. look where we are now and look at how Mr. Hill was treated when the book came out... and how that book is regarded now.
SC2 will remain very vulnerable as long as betting on the games is a far bigger payoff than actually you know... like.. playing the game at the top level.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
"pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true.
if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them.
remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza?
if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
Nice attitude. So basically, if your chosen profession is not very profitable it's okay to take criminal advantage of your position? You don't even see how this affects other players and teams, especially their sponsor based funding. Its such a self-contradictory position you present.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
"pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true.
if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them.
remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza?
if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
Nice attitude. So basically, if your chosen profession is not very profitable it's okay to take criminal advantage of your position? You don't even see how this affects other players and teams, especially their sponsor based funding. Its such a self-contradictory position you present.
Not to mention the fact that it undermines the integrity of competition in general...
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
out of curiousity apart from the first matchfixing what else has he been a source for?
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
Precisely. And like the time when olimoley had a breakdown on Twitter and implied that a whole bunch of players were known to be matchfixing, fairly little has come of the claim that matchfixing is more rampant than ever. If someone who isn't (as far as I know) very involved with the scene and the players knows, why has so little been proven and so few convicted?
hopefully, because the system is based on innocent until proven guilty.
when Declan Hill's "The Fix" was published in 2010 there was no match fixing in european football. look where we are now and look and how Mr. Hill was treated when the book came out... and how that book is regarded now.
SC2 will remain very vulnerable as long as betting on the games is a far bigger payoff than actually you know... like.. playing the game at the top level.
Realistically there's match fixing in the foreign scene as well if there is enough betting going on. It's naive to assume it happens on a big scale in football and tennis but not in sc2
In all seriousness, if Life is found guilty of anything related to SC2 at all, I don't think the game can recover. It's got a foot in the grave already.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
"pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true.
if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them.
remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza?
if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
I presume that if a poorely paid waitress copied your card information when you paid and stole all your money you wouldn't get angry. If the waitress stole thousands from the cashier you wouldn't find that wrong in the least, the person is after all poorly paid and therefor allowed to steal. Your values are frankly peculiar, we were probably raised very differently, you and I.
As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
"pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true.
if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them.
remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza?
if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
Nice attitude. So basically, if your chosen profession is not very profitable it's okay to take criminal advantage of your position? You don't even see how this affects other players and teams, especially their sponsor based funding. Its such a self-contradictory position you present.
how much of this funding actually ends up being paid to the player? what do you think is the median net worth of the players ranked 90th to 110th? it looks to me like its "not much".
there is no contradiction. its naked greed. and it happens in competitive sports that pay far more than SC2. However, the lack of cash paid to SC2 players makes them even more vulnerable.
if my prime earning years were as few in # as theirs and i were getting paid what they were getting paid i'd be tempted to matchfix... and 95% of the people who claim they would not be tempted is just lying to themselves.
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
Thanks a lot for this information, very interesting to know! =) Lets hope its wrong though
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Is there no update on this? Like is he currently in a cell or what? It's 2AM in Korea... Was he allowed to leave the police station after interrogations?
On January 30 2016 01:51 Solar424 wrote: Why does SC2 attract the shadiest people in eSports? Its almost like people looting a dying corpse...
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
That's what I thought/ think about that as well.
Wouldn't it be possible the prosecution did this to all people who got voided bets on their matches btw? Only this time it became public because Life had to play. Wolf's tweet seems to suggest that.
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
interesting
Very.
I would hate to think that it's true, but i agree with a 0 tolerance attitude for this sort of thing.
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
interesting
Very.
I would hate to think that it's true, but i agree with a 0 tolerance attitude for this sort of thing.
Yeah sadly if this was proven true sympathy is difficult since matchfixing kinda kills the point of competition.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably "
A modicum of respect is usually expected.
Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that...
the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make.
i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
"pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true.
if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them.
remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza?
if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
I presume that if a poorely paid waitress copied your card information when you paid and stole all your money you wouldn't get angry. If the waitress stole thousands from the cashier you wouldn't find that wrong in the least, the person is after all poorly paid and therefor allowed to steal. Your values are frankly peculiar, we were probably raised very differently, you and I.
you're missing the point a little bit. yes, people who engage in illegitimate criminal activity are responsible for it. i don't think jimmyraynor is saying they're "innocent" but that there are circumstances which affect the way you judge people.
the better analogy with your waitress point is if the owner of the restaurant was running a scam to collect customers' info and using his waitresses as agents. yes, the waitresses are doing wrong, but you have to ask - are they being blackmailed for their jobs by the owner? are they doing it because they're greedy opportunists or have they truly lost hope for taking care of themselves and their kids if they don't do something drastic and stupid?
it's not the same, and there's speculation involved here, but the point is sometimes the bad guy isn't the kid selling drugs on the street but the supplier who came along and gave them the opportunity to make money and make a life that way. SOME match fixers, i'm sure, are just amoral and do it because they feel like it, just like any criminal. but sometimes you can find sympathy depending on the circumstances of a person's poor choices
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
That's pretty much it.
I know for sure what happened to a player that was on my team that was propositioned to match fix, but it's our words against his because it happened verbally. We can't take that shit to court, even though we know he was engaging in that illicit behavior, nor can Blizzard do anything about it.
Does anyone remember any game he played that might look like an obvious throw?? I don't think I do.. Maybe his shit results in PL? I don't watch a lot of PL matches, precisely cause they are BO1's..
He's by far my favorite SC2 player of all time, and I had really high hopes for him in LotV with the fast games, the buffed lings and the added units favoring different strats & tech switches..
I really can't believe he threw games for $
If I couldn't see Life play my interest in watching SC2 would be mostly gone..
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
LOL OLIMO
First name Olimo, last name Ley.
I seriously considered blaming my phone's auto correct, but full disclosure, I mostly know Olimoley through Olimoleague and I just subtracted the League. Sry Olivia.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
Conclusions/Assertions only work when premises/proofs are sufficient. Plus, the onus of proof is on her, because it was her who claimed the issue.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
That's what I thought/ think about that as well.
Wouldn't it be possible the prosecution did this to all people who got voided bets on their matches btw? Only this time it became public because Life had to play. Wolf's tweet seems to suggest that. https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/693066347845029888
Sounds like other people got investigated too and were found innocent. So far too early to tell life is guilty
On January 30 2016 02:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: At the prosecutors office: "Dude, there's noway that the french dude would lose to a six pool three times in a row".
It was a pretty sad thread until this post. Now I can't stop laughing.
Anyone knows how long you can be in custody before having legal charges made public in Korea?
In france it's 24hours in most case, then the prosecutor has to wether free you or lead you to a court that will will decide what happens next for you.
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
That's what I thought/ think about that as well.
Wouldn't it be possible the prosecution did this to all people who got voided bets on their matches btw? Only this time it became public because Life had to play. Wolf's tweet seems to suggest that. https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/693066347845029888
Sounds like other people got investigated too and were found innocent. So far too early to tell life is guilty
On January 30 2016 02:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: Oh dear God, this is not good... I sincerely hope it turns out he did nothing wrong.
I'm going to leave it at this as well. No need to speculate until more information is gathered.
That's why we're here though :p
Wolf's comment is important though. There have no doubt been other cases of investigation where the players were cleared, but did not become public. This one did, apparently because an explanation was needed for SPL.
But being detained, boy, it does not look good at all. I'm not familiar with Korean low but this usually means there is significant evidence on the table.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
LOL OLIMO
First name Olimo, last name Ley.
I seriously considered blaming my phone's auto correct, but full disclosure, I mostly know Olimoley through Olimoleague and I just subtracted the League. Sry Olivia.
No worries! Just poking fun, it doesn't actually offend me.
On January 30 2016 02:32 Gwavajuice wrote: Anyone knows how long you can be in custody before having legal charges made public in Korea?
In france it's 24hours in most case, then the prosecutor has to wether free you or lead you to a court that will will decide what happens next for you.
A prosecutor has to get a detention warrant within 48 hours, but after that the police has 10 days and the prosecutor has 10 days (with possible 10 day extension) before having to file an indictment. I am not a lawyer, but that's how I understood it.
I think its safe to assume many players have been called to the office recently, and obviously not found guilty for now (probably called mostly to help with investigations), its not absurd, if you won a match-fixed match, played in a team that match fixed, was contacted by brokers... you got the idea, many people is involved even if they have their hands clean.
Maybe "some shady guys" called Life and tried to make a deal? Only natural if he is under investigation afterwards, and i would be surprised if he was never contacted to lose a game. Meh... i would never suspect him. edit: warrant eh? goddamit...
On January 30 2016 02:34 Incognoto wrote: It would be so hilarious if they were questioning him about his match vs Lilbow though.
I am still hopeful. I do not think that Life would throw a match. What match would that have even been, had he done so? It just doesn't add up.
it's really weird since he's prolly the most successful sc2 player history so it;s hard to believe (of course it's not yet confirmed)
The only problem with this logic is that saviOr was in a very similiar position in BW - in his time he was surely the greatest zerg to date. I am only now getting a remote idea how much of a shock that revelation must have been for BW fans back then, because it just does not make sense, for exactly the same reasons why Life matchfixing wouldn't. But I still believe this is just a regular police work randomly blown out of proportions for some procedural reasons.
edit: btw. my wife's reaction to the fixing accusation was golden: "...and Life ever lost something?!"
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
Conclusions/Assertions only work when premises/proofs are sufficient. Plus, the onus of proof is on her, because it was her who claimed the issue.
Otherwise, it is nothing but a conspiracy.
Onus of proof? This is neither a court of law nor a thesis, if Olimoley - or anyone - knows about possible wrongdoing I would HOPE that they do whatever they can about it.
Anyway at this point we're talking about the entire scene, not individuals. You can't slander a scene.
On January 30 2016 02:32 Gwavajuice wrote: Anyone knows how long you can be in custody before having legal charges made public in Korea?
In france it's 24hours in most case, then the prosecutor has to wether free you or lead you to a court that will will decide what happens next for you.
In general case, prosecutor give suspect a phone call or mail or whatever and says "you are now suspected of certain crime. Come to prosecutors office" This procedure does not need warrant This is an ordinary situation in investigating serious crimes.
But this case is different. Life is arrested 'by prosecutor' with 'warrant'. This means prosecutor must have a proof because warrant is not allowed by judge without obvious proof
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
LOL OLIMO
First name Olimo, last name Ley.
I seriously considered blaming my phone's auto correct, but full disclosure, I mostly know Olimoley through Olimoleague and I just subtracted the League. Sry Olivia.
No worries! Just poking fun, it doesn't actually offend me.
On a happier note, when are you and CranK getting married?
On January 30 2016 02:34 Incognoto wrote: It would be so hilarious if they were questioning him about his match vs Lilbow though.
I am still hopeful. I do not think that Life would throw a match. What match would that have even been, had he done so? It just doesn't add up.
it's really weird since he's prolly the most successful sc2 player history so it;s hard to believe (of course it's not yet confirmed)
The only problem with this logic is that saviOr was in a very similiar position in BW - in his time he was surely the greatest zerg to date. I am only now getting a remote idea how much of a shock that revelation must have been for BW fans back then, because it just does not make sense, for exactly the same reasons why Life matchfixing wouldn't. But I still believe this is just a regular police work randomly blown out of proportions for some procedural reasons.
Uhm i didn't follow bw that time but i've read from some article here i can't remember which one stating that he was losing his form like before he was caught matchfixing. Like he was not the best anymore, maybe still good but not good enough.
There's also JD in bw too who's probably bigger than him, so yeah it's the same in a sense but a bit different cause life may literally be the best zerg of sc2 ever.
On January 30 2016 02:51 BisuDagger wrote: I didn't realize destroying so many people in Starcraft 2 was a crime. The crime lab will have plenty of evidence of this. GG.
On January 30 2016 02:32 Gwavajuice wrote: Anyone knows how long you can be in custody before having legal charges made public in Korea?
In france it's 24hours in most case, then the prosecutor has to wether free you or lead you to a court that will will decide what happens next for you.
In general case, prosecutor give suspect a phone call or mail or whatever and says "you are now suspected of certain crime. Come to prosecutors office" This procedure does not need warrant This is an ordinary situation in investigating serious crimes.
But this case is different. Life is arrested 'by prosecutor' with 'warrant'. This means prosecutor must have a proof because warrant is not allowed by judge without obvious proof
Damn... So he is indeed arrested? and they do indeed have proof of some wrong doing?
I'm just trying to separate what has been reported and what is being speculated.
MKP made sense, he was in the bottom of sc2 scene, but Life? It's hard to believe, i hope it's nothing at the end, i have always loved this kid crazy game
On January 30 2016 03:22 ubikz wrote: MKP made sense, he was in the bottom of sc2 scene, but Life? It's hard to believe, i hope it's nothing at the end, i have always loved this kid crazy game
nay, it is known that MKP`s family is bloody rich.
Still, I would bet 1% that he(Life) is innocent. There were so many issues, not this time.
On January 30 2016 02:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: Oh dear God, this is not good... I sincerely hope it turns out he did nothing wrong.
I'm going to leave it at this as well. No need to speculate until more information is gathered.
That's why we're here though :p
Wolf's comment is important though. There have no doubt been other cases of investigation where the players were cleared, but did not become public. This one did, apparently because an explanation was needed for SPL.
But being detained, boy, it does not look good at all. I'm not familiar with Korean low but this usually means there is significant evidence on the table.
Wolf's done quite the 180 since his drunken stream about the list of match fixers and the names that will shock you!
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
out of curiousity apart from the first matchfixing what else has he been a source for?
Rekrul broke the story that Catz was too busy with a groupie to play against JulyZerg and that's why he was DQ-ed after Catz tried to make it out as MLG having stupid rules lol.
Does that count as important news?
More pertinently, Rekrul was pretty wrong about the disbanding of TSL but he posted about that too (iirc he seemed to just repeat what the disgruntled players were saying rather than actually knowing what really happened).
So he still has contacts with people in SC2, but if they're still meaningful, I don't know.
On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote: The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious.
bye
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
LOL OLIMO
First name Olimo, last name Ley.
I seriously considered blaming my phone's auto correct, but full disclosure, I mostly know Olimoley through Olimoleague and I just subtracted the League. Sry Olivia.
No worries! Just poking fun, it doesn't actually offend me.
On January 30 2016 02:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: Oh dear God, this is not good... I sincerely hope it turns out he did nothing wrong.
I'm going to leave it at this as well. No need to speculate until more information is gathered.
That's why we're here though :p
Wolf's comment is important though. There have no doubt been other cases of investigation where the players were cleared, but did not become public. This one did, apparently because an explanation was needed for SPL.
But being detained, boy, it does not look good at all. I'm not familiar with Korean low but this usually means there is significant evidence on the table.
Wolf's done quite the 180 since his drunken stream about the list of match fixers and the names that will shock you!
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
out of curiousity apart from the first matchfixing what else has he been a source for?
Rekrul broke the story that Catz was too busy with a groupie to play against JulyZerg and that's why he was DQ-ed after Catz tried to make it out as MLG having stupid rules lol.
Does that count as important news?
More pertinently, Rekrul was pretty wrong about the disbanding of TSL but he posted about that too (iirc he seemed to just repeat what the disgruntled players were saying rather than actually knowing what really happened).
So he still has contacts with people in SC2, but if they're still meaningful, I don't know.
Broken clock is right twice a day
Anyways I agree with op. Ive never seen 체포 being used in any situation other than arrest really. A lot of people seem hopeful that it may mean different due to the tweet but I wouldn't bet on it. He may be released innocent but 체포 is arrest, no means around it
On January 30 2016 03:22 ubikz wrote: MKP made sense, he was in the bottom of sc2 scene, but Life? It's hard to believe, i hope it's nothing at the end, i have always loved this kid crazy game
User was warned for this post
a warning? maybe it's just that my english is bad, but i didn't want to offend anyone, i just wanted to express that Life matchfixing is something irracional for me. only this. i wasn't saying that MKP was guilty of anything, only that for me that Life thing is beyond sense
I was debating about putting life on my anti-team, he was never that good in teamleagues and if he indeed match-fixed that would've meant mad skrilla for me (cuz he can't destroy my points without playing obviously)
I came to the conclusion that it would be a bad thing to tho
I really really really hope that he comes out innocent and then wrecks nerds next friday :0
On January 30 2016 02:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: Oh dear God, this is not good... I sincerely hope it turns out he did nothing wrong.
I'm going to leave it at this as well. No need to speculate until more information is gathered.
That's why we're here though :p
Wolf's comment is important though. There have no doubt been other cases of investigation where the players were cleared, but did not become public. This one did, apparently because an explanation was needed for SPL.
But being detained, boy, it does not look good at all. I'm not familiar with Korean low but this usually means there is significant evidence on the table.
Wolf's done quite the 180 since his drunken stream about the list of match fixers and the names that will shock you!
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
out of curiousity apart from the first matchfixing what else has he been a source for?
Rekrul broke the story that Catz was too busy with a groupie to play against JulyZerg and that's why he was DQ-ed after Catz tried to make it out as MLG having stupid rules lol.
Does that count as important news?
More pertinently, Rekrul was pretty wrong about the disbanding of TSL but he posted about that too (iirc he seemed to just repeat what the disgruntled players were saying rather than actually knowing what really happened).
So he still has contacts with people in SC2, but if they're still meaningful, I don't know.
On January 30 2016 03:54 ilikeredheads wrote: wait a minute? was he arrested or brought in for questioning? because those are completely different things.
On January 30 2016 03:54 ilikeredheads wrote: wait a minute? was he arrested or brought in for questioning? because those are completely different things.
Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
On January 30 2016 03:56 MMT wrote: He might be there to testify against KT.
That would explain why he wanted to switch teams, and explain the strange losses KT suffered in proleague in 2015.
I'm pretty sure you are wrong, a lot of their players were slumping in general so the losses weren't that strange, but even so, damn that would be fucking scary if kt was doing that shit never gonna happen but still
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
life was the only reason i'm still watching sc2. I have not seen any gsl/ssl game this year.
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy?
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
He would be far from the only player to have disparate proleague / individual league results (July won an OSL when he wasn't even good enough to be fielded for proleague iirc). Not to mention Korean style long-running tournaments versus weekend lans.
So I really wouldn't put any stock into this line of thinking.
Whatever the issue (even if a 'sorry, false alert' would obviously be more than welcome), I especially hope that everything will be fully explain, all the who, what and hows. Next hours/days/(weeks? é_è) will be hard
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy?
Quitting SC2 and quitting life are very very different
It's not a rational thing - sports fandom is very emotional. When you get heartbroken like that, sometimes it's best to take a break
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
life was the only reason i'm still watching sc2. I have not seen any gsl/ssl game this year.
You are missing out then, check TY games from Code A, those were freaking amazing, especially the last game
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy?
Quitting SC2 and quitting life are very very different
It's not a rational thing - sports fandom is very emotional. When you get heartbroken like that, sometimes it's best to take a break
I don't know, man. If houses in my neighborhood were getting burgled every few weeks (as in bets getting voided on Pinnacle), I'd probably consider moving.
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
On January 30 2016 03:54 ilikeredheads wrote: wait a minute? was he arrested or brought in for questioning? because those are completely different things.
He got arrested with warrant
Source? And direct translation please since you're Korean. I don't really see that mentioned :/
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
Y'know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
If you look at Life's career he has always been like that tho, he has never played all that great in team leagues, and for individual leagues he always does nothing for a few months, and then he just decides to get good against and stomp everyone, its super weird
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
Y'know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
Not really. I can't remember his other matches at Blizzcon but he beat INno because INno played like a complete doofus. His run could have easily stopped in the ro8
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
Y'know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ?
Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people.
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy?
Quitting SC2 and quitting life are very very different
It's not a rational thing - sports fandom is very emotional. When you get heartbroken like that, sometimes it's best to take a break
I don't know, man. If houses in my neighborhood were getting burgled every few weeks (as in bets getting voided on Pinnacle), I'd probably consider moving.
Of course it has a link to the infamous Davydenko match where the betting was so fishy that people did go on the record saying it must have been fixed despite lack of corroborating evidence. So don't get me wrong, I'm just saying it's not as concrete as conventional wisdom around here has been saying.
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy?
this the silliest comparison ive ever heard. i give you 5/7
my sc2 interest sloped off when idra retired, i know fully what that guy meant
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
Y'know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ?
Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people.
No one is saying player can't go into slumps. No one was even suspicious of Life at all last season because of that fact. All I'm saying is in light of today's news, I would not be surprised if it is for SPL games from last season. Again we give life the benefit of the doubt I'm just saying there is some smoke here.
On January 30 2016 03:54 ilikeredheads wrote: wait a minute? was he arrested or brought in for questioning? because those are completely different things.
He got arrested with warrant
Source? And direct translation please since you're Korean. I don't really see that mentioned :/
This sentence is title of offical statement of KeSPA which is announced to media. If Life is just brought in for questioning, we use the term 소환 조사, 소환(summoning) 조사(investigation)
Summon to 소환 is general translation used in fantasy games. yes that's right, Magic
Reading the comments, people don't seem to realize that Life is just another young boy (with great skillz). He wouldnt be the first nor the last to be stuck in a stupid money story. Hopefully we still get to see him.
I'm not toooooo worried, I mean Life makes enough money already, so the chances of the allegations coming true are much slimmer than in the case of B-teamers or ex-Prime players.
If anything, Life was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, the zero tolerance policy of Kespa is gunna hurt Life no matter what.
On January 30 2016 03:52 Nirel wrote: I really hope he has nothing to do with match fixing. i'd probably stop watching sc2 for a long time if it were the case.
So if a thief burgles a house, would you stop living in this world? What kind of logic is that to stop sc2 for just one guy?
Quitting SC2 and quitting life are very very different
It's not a rational thing - sports fandom is very emotional. When you get heartbroken like that, sometimes it's best to take a break
I don't know, man. If houses in my neighborhood were getting burgled every few weeks (as in bets getting voided on Pinnacle), I'd probably consider moving.
Of course it has a link to the infamous Davydenko match where the betting was so fishy that people did go on the record saying it must have been fixed despite lack of corroborating evidence. So don't get me wrong, I'm just saying it's not as concrete as conventional wisdom around here has been saying.
But to keep the comparison going, even if it isn't straight up burglary that's causing things to go missing from these houses, it's still indicative of some other problem that may be less serious, but is still a problem. Moving could be an ok precautionary measure to take if you think the benefits outweigh the costs of moving. At this point, I'm way too invested to leave regardless of the outcome, but I'd prefer to be in a somewhat teeming community as opposed to an empty neighborhood.
On January 30 2016 04:25 EngrishTeacher wrote: I'm not toooooo worried, I mean Life makes enough money already, so the chances of the allegations coming true are much slimmer than in the case of B-teamers or ex-Prime players.
If history is anything to go by, how much money a player is making/made has little to do with the likelihood of the player being involved in matchmaking.
On January 30 2016 02:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: Oh dear God, this is not good... I sincerely hope it turns out he did nothing wrong.
I'm going to leave it at this as well. No need to speculate until more information is gathered.
That's why we're here though :p
Wolf's comment is important though. There have no doubt been other cases of investigation where the players were cleared, but did not become public. This one did, apparently because an explanation was needed for SPL.
But being detained, boy, it does not look good at all. I'm not familiar with Korean low but this usually means there is significant evidence on the table.
Wolf's done quite the 180 since his drunken stream about the list of match fixers and the names that will shock you!
Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago.
I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it.
Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"?
:-S
It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant.
I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh...
Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
out of curiousity apart from the first matchfixing what else has he been a source for?
Rekrul broke the story that Catz was too busy with a groupie to play against JulyZerg and that's why he was DQ-ed after Catz tried to make it out as MLG having stupid rules lol.
Does that count as important news?
More pertinently, Rekrul was pretty wrong about the disbanding of TSL but he posted about that too (iirc he seemed to just repeat what the disgruntled players were saying rather than actually knowing what really happened).
So he still has contacts with people in SC2, but if they're still meaningful, I don't know.
Rekrul is a boss with friends/connections in many facets of eSports. He rarely says shit... but when he does, my advice would be to listen.
On January 30 2016 03:54 ilikeredheads wrote: wait a minute? was he arrested or brought in for questioning? because those are completely different things.
He got arrested with warrant
Source? And direct translation please since you're Korean. I don't really see that mentioned :/
This sentence is title of offical statement of KeSPA which is announced to media. If Life is just brought in for questioning, we use the term 소환 조사, 소환(summoning) 조사(investigation)
Summon to 소환 is general translation used in fantasy games. yes that's right, Magic
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
Y'know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ?
Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people.
On January 30 2016 04:25 EngrishTeacher wrote: I'm not toooooo worried, I mean Life makes enough money already, so the chances of the allegations coming true are much slimmer than in the case of B-teamers or ex-Prime players.
If anything, Life was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, the zero tolerance policy of Kespa is gunna hurt Life no matter what.
one wonders what would have happened had Idra gg-ed out of a game where he had a clear lead under Kespa's suspicious eye?
On January 30 2016 02:34 Incognoto wrote: It would be so hilarious if they were questioning him about his match vs Lilbow though.
I am still hopeful. I do not think that Life would throw a match. What match would that have even been, had he done so? It just doesn't add up.
it's really weird since he's prolly the most successful sc2 player history so it;s hard to believe (of course it's not yet confirmed)
The only problem with this logic is that saviOr was in a very similiar position in BW - in his time he was surely the greatest zerg to date. I am only now getting a remote idea how much of a shock that revelation must have been for BW fans back then, because it just does not make sense, for exactly the same reasons why Life matchfixing wouldn't. But I still believe this is just a regular police work randomly blown out of proportions for some procedural reasons.
Uhm i didn't follow bw that time but i've read from some article here i can't remember which one stating that he was losing his form like before he was caught matchfixing. Like he was not the best anymore, maybe still good but not good enough.
There's also JD in bw too who's probably bigger than him, so yeah it's the same in a sense but a bit different cause life may literally be the best zerg of sc2 ever.
savior was really bad when he got arrested and had been mediocre at best for over a year before that
On January 30 2016 02:34 Incognoto wrote: It would be so hilarious if they were questioning him about his match vs Lilbow though.
I am still hopeful. I do not think that Life would throw a match. What match would that have even been, had he done so? It just doesn't add up.
it's really weird since he's prolly the most successful sc2 player history so it;s hard to believe (of course it's not yet confirmed)
The only problem with this logic is that saviOr was in a very similiar position in BW - in his time he was surely the greatest zerg to date. I am only now getting a remote idea how much of a shock that revelation must have been for BW fans back then, because it just does not make sense, for exactly the same reasons why Life matchfixing wouldn't. But I still believe this is just a regular police work randomly blown out of proportions for some procedural reasons.
Uhm i didn't follow bw that time but i've read from some article here i can't remember which one stating that he was losing his form like before he was caught matchfixing. Like he was not the best anymore, maybe still good but not good enough.
There's also JD in bw too who's probably bigger than him, so yeah it's the same in a sense but a bit different cause life may literally be the best zerg of sc2 ever.
savior was really bad when he got arrested and had been mediocre at best for over a year before that
I mean his last few games actually looked more promising in that he looked super fierce and invested, go look at the camera shots of his face (also he was playing better again than during his slump, people actually favored him vs Bisu at that time), he probably knew he was gonna be arrested soon and wanted to make it his last hurrah
On January 30 2016 02:34 Incognoto wrote: It would be so hilarious if they were questioning him about his match vs Lilbow though.
I am still hopeful. I do not think that Life would throw a match. What match would that have even been, had he done so? It just doesn't add up.
it's really weird since he's prolly the most successful sc2 player history so it;s hard to believe (of course it's not yet confirmed)
The only problem with this logic is that saviOr was in a very similiar position in BW - in his time he was surely the greatest zerg to date. I am only now getting a remote idea how much of a shock that revelation must have been for BW fans back then, because it just does not make sense, for exactly the same reasons why Life matchfixing wouldn't. But I still believe this is just a regular police work randomly blown out of proportions for some procedural reasons.
Uhm i didn't follow bw that time but i've read from some article here i can't remember which one stating that he was losing his form like before he was caught matchfixing. Like he was not the best anymore, maybe still good but not good enough.
There's also JD in bw too who's probably bigger than him, so yeah it's the same in a sense but a bit different cause life may literally be the best zerg of sc2 ever.
savior was really bad when he got arrested and had been mediocre at best for over a year before that
He also never fixed matches himself iirc? At least officially?
if life was arrested because of something unrelated to sc2, like DUI, would that also affect his gaming career or does kespa not care about stuff outside of sc2?
Holy shit, Flash and Jaedong were investigated for match fixing too?! Please tell me that they were not involved as well. This is really sad moment for the entire SC2 scene.
On January 30 2016 05:33 Loccstana wrote: Holy shit, Flash and Jaedong were investigated for match fixing too?! Please tell me that they were not involved as well. This is really sad moment for the entire SC2 scene.
Flash and JD were questioned years ago because of the BW matchfixing scandal, they were completely innocent.
On January 30 2016 05:33 Loccstana wrote: Holy shit, Flash and Jaedong were investigated for match fixing too?! Please tell me that they were not involved as well. This is really sad moment for the entire SC2 scene.
On January 30 2016 05:33 Loccstana wrote: Holy shit, Flash and Jaedong were investigated for match fixing too?! Please tell me that they were not involved as well. This is really sad moment for the entire SC2 scene.
That was a looooooooong time ago during BW, almost everybody was investigated I guess.
If it's for fixing, this is quite possibly a bigger deal than even sAviOr. However, this is a MASSIVE "if". If it isn't, then it's almost certainly something we have no need to concern ourselves as fans with.
On January 30 2016 05:27 RuiBarbO wrote: Is it confirmed/is there substantial reason to believe he was arrested for match-fixing? Or is KeSPA just reacting this way as a precaution?
Since the korean article states, that the arrest was conducted by the office of Changwon it is very likely it has something to do with esports. He is living in Seoul I assume and if his arrest gets ordered from a guy in Changwon that would be like you getting arrested in New York from an office in Miami or so. I don't know any details, but it seems this Changwon office handles the fishy stuff in esports as the OP stated. Otherwise a Seoul district office would have handled the issue. (e.g. in case of theft) Also: Korean commenters on the original article assume that he is involved in some illegal betting, too.
But why would life need to throw games to match fix?
There are other types of matchfixing, like you know convincing the other and then split the money, or get other people to match fix si the results would benefit him or whatever.
I'm not saying he did that, I'm just saying there are other types of matchfixing.
Altough honestly I feel this might be unrelated to StarCraft, or at least I hope. At the end of the day for all we know he could be totally inocent in both real life and esports related stuff..
On January 30 2016 06:11 FlaShFTW wrote: hasnt he been slumping recently? maybe theres a link?
He almost won blizzcon a moment ago.
can they arrest him for fixing games in cali :o
Not for the games themselves, but they can arrest him for manipulating the online betting sites in order to make money/help others making money. The serious part here is not simply losing on purpose, it's doing it in a context where money is involved.
Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
1) Korean progamers don't have time during the day to engage in any criminal activity outside of the games they play.
2) More seriously, it seems hardly coincidental that this happens immediately before he was supposed to play his Code A match. That strongly suggests it's SC2-related.
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
1) Korean progamers don't have time during the day to engage in any criminal activity outside of the games they play.
2) More seriously, it seems hardly coincidental that this happens immediately before he was supposed to play his Code A match. That strongly suggests it's SC2-related.
3) Arrested by the same out of town office that's known to handle sports corruption (including the recent case against Gerrard / Prime).
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
1) Korean progamers don't have time during the day to engage in any criminal activity outside of the games they play.
2) More seriously, it seems hardly coincidental that this happens immediately before he was supposed to play his Code A match. That strongly suggests it's SC2-related.
3) Arrested by the same out of town office that's known to handle sports corruption (including the recent case against Gerrard / Prime).
While the (2) is too coincidental for me, the (3) is legit, I didn't know that.
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
1) Korean progamers don't have time during the day to engage in any criminal activity outside of the games they play.
2) More seriously, it seems hardly coincidental that this happens immediately before he was supposed to play his Code A match. That strongly suggests it's SC2-related.
3) Arrested by the same out of town office that's known to handle sports corruption (including the recent case against Gerrard / Prime).
While the (2) is too coincidental for me, the (3) is legit, I didn't know that.
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
Also first sentence in the OP
Kespa announced that Life arrested at the same district prosecutors' office (Changwon) that Prime guys were
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
That is just not right. He got arrested and send to a investigator 400km away from Seoul and this investigator is specialised on Esport-related crime. So we know more then he could snort some coce, drive his lambo into a wall or stalking Gyuri.
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
On January 30 2016 07:40 Incognoto wrote: Well it's almost 8 am in SK now.
lol come back tomorrow. They're not going to release that quickly.
Kespa must have a vital interest in informing as fast as they can. This shit is a very hot topic and people are asking serious question and are questioning the complete Kespa leaded SPL. The more they wait, the more they lose control of the situation. Even when in the end nothing happend an Life was false accused by (add random programer who hates life), the longer the fans and public sit there without information, the more harm the league could potentially take.
On January 30 2016 07:11 OtherWorld wrote: Why is everyone getting mad over matchfixing? All we know is that he was arrested. For all we know he could have been snorting cocaïne, getting into a brawl at the exit of a nightclub, selling a sextape of Zest and Gyuri or simply participating lightly in a crime commited by old friends of him.
1) Korean progamers don't have time during the day to engage in any criminal activity outside of the games they play.
2) More seriously, it seems hardly coincidental that this happens immediately before he was supposed to play his Code A match. That strongly suggests it's SC2-related.
3) Arrested by the same out of town office that's known to handle sports corruption (including the recent case against Gerrard / Prime).
While the (2) is too coincidental for me, the (3) is legit, I didn't know that.
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
On January 30 2016 07:40 Incognoto wrote: Well it's almost 8 am in SK now.
lol come back tomorrow. They're not going to release that quickly.
Kespa must have a vital interest in informing as fast as they can. This shit is a very hot topic and people are asking serious question and are questioning the complete Kespa leaded SPL. The more they wait, the more they lose control of the situation. Even when in the end nothing happend an Life was false accused by (add random programer who hates life), the longer the fans and public sit there without information, the more harm the league could potentially take.
Spouting false informations could be even more damaging. Like saying there is undeniable proof that life matchfixed and in the end he turns out to be innocent. Better waiting then risking ruining his reputation for nothing
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
When duckdeok retired* Duck^2 gave us both the happiest and the saddest day of SC2
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
Y'know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ?
Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people.
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
I don't think Mvp is officially retired to this date. So that one's still out.
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
I don't think Mvp is officially retired to this date. So that one's still out.
I'm not entirely sure what to make of this. Life's been arrested with a warrant, what does that mean? Does it necessarily mean that life is a suspect? Did other players, who were actually guilty, also get arrested with a warrant, or were they arrested together with a announcement that they were accused or suspected as well? Also, have other players been arrested with a warrant and subsequently been found innocent?
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
I don't think Mvp is officially retired to this date. So that one's still out.
wow if Life would really be a part of matchfixing it'll be the the 2nd biggest shock to the scene right after Savior himself. No good news for Sc2 actually.
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
Not sure if the power of the King of Mankind and the Creator of the Universe is strong enough to help us by then if this is true...
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
NOOOOOOOO NOOOOWAAY Really?
Could this be the return of the King?
I'm tempted to just link LotR here, but I feel like it wouldn't be received very well...
On January 30 2016 03:57 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Life was really mediocre in SPL all season, and then all of a sudden was his old self at Blizzcon. Hopefully that is just coincidence but could also be the reason he dropped more games then expected.
Y'know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
It makes no sens at all lol. So every good player is always at the stop and can't come back after they have a moment down ?
Like why don't you go and say that MVP vs Adelscott was in TSL3 was a fixed game. Jeez people.
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
How does this not have its own thread yet?
Threads about life will always lead to the one and only IMMVP!
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
If you can get a source video/quote/article we could start a positive thread to counter this thread
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
On January 30 2016 08:36 swissman777 wrote: In the show after the GSL, both Mvp and Nestea promised to attend the next gsl qualitfier, so Mvp is not yet retired.
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
On January 30 2016 08:10 Foki wrote: Please not... I don't really like Life but he's a great player and if this is true... Would be the sadest day of SC2...
the sadest day of sc2 actually happened, it was when Mvp retired
When duckdeok retired*
When Flash retired*
duck's retirement was way worse than Flash's
Saddest sc2 day was when sangho stopped showing up in televised matches.
Man, the more I think about the timing of this the more it makes me wonder. Why wait until basically the last minute going into a weekend? Are they just hoping everyone forgets about it over the weekend or something? I don't know why else you would wait for that kind of timing.
In any case, I don't think we'll hear anything more concrete until at least Monday morning Korea time at best.
Life is in second place for winnings in Starcraft 2, at $468,469. For some of the poorer, less successful players, I can at least understand why they would match fix. In Life's case, I really couldn't understand. Let's hope that he is cleared during this investigation!
On January 30 2016 10:21 alexanderzero wrote: Life is in second place for winnings in Starcraft 2, at $468,469. For some of the poorer, less successful players, I can at least understand why they would match fix. In Life's case, I really couldn't understand. Let's hope that he is cleared during this investigation!
He wants to pull a savior and be remembered as a legend?
oh. I thought people had stopped making those Life puns years ago.
On January 30 2016 10:20 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Man, the more I think about the timing of this the more it makes me wonder. Why wait until basically the last minute going into a weekend? Are they just hoping everyone forgets about it over the weekend or something? I don't know why else you would wait for that kind of timing.
In any case, I don't think we'll hear anything more concrete until at least Monday morning Korea time at best.
There hasn't been any official statements, so I think the timing is just a product of when the journalists learned about Life's arrest.
On January 30 2016 10:21 alexanderzero wrote: Life is in second place for winnings in Starcraft 2, at $468,469. For some of the poorer, less successful players, I can at least understand why they would match fix. In Life's case, I really couldn't understand. Let's hope that he is cleared during this investigation!
he is young and grew the last 4-5 years in a progaming house. A progaming house is a good place to improve the level of progamers, not necessarily a good place to make a social and logic person for the real world.
young people is easily tempted and manipulated. last year he was a naive 18 years old boy. I'm still hoping he isn't involved in matchfixing.
On January 30 2016 10:21 alexanderzero wrote: Life is in second place for winnings in Starcraft 2, at $468,469. For some of the poorer, less successful players, I can at least understand why they would match fix. In Life's case, I really couldn't understand. Let's hope that he is cleared during this investigation!
Correct me if I am wrong, but it is not uncommon for starcraft pros to donate a portion of their tournament money to their teams.
On January 30 2016 05:04 Kaizor wrote: It took the South Korean Prosecutors long enough to finally suspect Life's loss to Sjow.
SjoW had a lot of really unusual timings and anti-timings. and he did a lot of blind countering. if Life had never seen SjoW play before and was in the middle of 1 of those giant MLG events its plausible he could lose to SjoW.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote: As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris. But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing. Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
On January 30 2016 10:21 alexanderzero wrote: Life is in second place for winnings in Starcraft 2, at $468,469. For some of the poorer, less successful players, I can at least understand why they would match fix. In Life's case, I really couldn't understand. Let's hope that he is cleared during this investigation!
Correct me if I am wrong, but it is not uncommon for starcraft pros to donate a portion of their tournament money to their teams.
Incorrect, usually players retain their earned money and give it to their family to manage. In general, if the player is a bit older, money is given back to the parents for education/other purposes as well. I forget who it was, but maybe puma or something a long time ago?? said they gave like $30k to their parents or something for education.
As far as I know, there is no Korean team that takes %s of player earnings other than some of the early ESF teams who needed assistance staying afloat, and I believe, only at the agreement of the player.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
Yes but this way the integrity of his accomplishments and the integrity of SC2 competitions are unharmed.
I'm done watching GSL/SSL if this is true. I mean, a few B, C, or D level Koreans doing some match fixing is one thing. But a legend like Life? I would have a very hard time trusting the legitimacy of any one game after such an event, which is a shame, because watching Korean SC2 is one of my greatest pleasures.
I'm done watching GSL/SSL if this is true. I mean, a few B, C, or D level Koreans doing some match fixing is one thing. But a legend like Life? I would have a very hard time trusting the legitimacy of any one game after such an event, which is a shame, because watching Korean SC2 is one of my greatest pleasures.
I'm done watching GSL/SSL if this is true. I mean, a few B, C, or D level Koreans doing some match fixing is one thing. But a legend like Life? I would have a very hard time trusting the legitimacy of any one game after such an event, which is a shame, because watching Korean SC2 is one of my greatest pleasures.
Because only Koreans can matchfix, ok got it.
Well not all matchfixers are equal. We expect the highest quality games from Koreans so if the top koreans matchfix, that's no bueno.
On January 29 2016 22:11 FFW_Rude wrote: As a zerg, I had an idol in BW. I have an idol in SC2.
I really hope they won't both break my heart.
Let's wait out the investigation. I'm really at unease. This can't be happening..... I'm sure this is something that he played against a matchfixer and they want to know if he was aware of the situation.
I really do applaud the powers that be on the site for choosing not to news this while we still have insufficient information and this entire thread is little more than speculation and doomsday scenarios. (Warranted based on the strength of the circumstancial evidence, but still.)
I'm done watching GSL/SSL if this is true. I mean, a few B, C, or D level Koreans doing some match fixing is one thing. But a legend like Life? I would have a very hard time trusting the legitimacy of any one game after such an event, which is a shame, because watching Korean SC2 is one of my greatest pleasures.
Because only Koreans can matchfix, ok got it.
It's certainly happening with enough frequency/severity to be actively detrimental to their local scene so...that's why it's such a big deal.
On January 30 2016 14:59 Circumstance wrote: I really do applaud the powers that be on the site for choosing not to news this while we still have insufficient information and this entire thread is little more than speculation and doomsday scenarios. (Warranted based on the strength of the circumstancial evidence, but still.)
Community News Life arrested/taken into custody and under investigation 678
On January 30 2016 14:59 Circumstance wrote: I really do applaud the powers that be on the site for choosing not to news this while we still have insufficient information and this entire thread is little more than speculation and doomsday scenarios. (Warranted based on the strength of the circumstancial evidence, but still.)
It's still news even if we don't know exactly what's happening. Life has been arrested for some reason or other.
Also they mentioned that they wish there won't be any spreading of unconfirmed information or inappropriate assumption, so no innocent unrelated victim is made.
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
While I don't personally think Life would be the type of player to match fix, there's been plenty of in-prime players who matchfix and cheat in BW, other esports, and sports in general.
I'm done watching GSL/SSL if this is true. I mean, a few B, C, or D level Koreans doing some match fixing is one thing. But a legend like Life? I would have a very hard time trusting the legitimacy of any one game after such an event, which is a shame, because watching Korean SC2 is one of my greatest pleasures.
Because only Koreans can matchfix, ok got it.
Well not all matchfixers are equal. We expect the highest quality games from Koreans so if the top koreans matchfix, that's no bueno.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm going to guess that no one, or at least a very small minority of viewers, thought that Life had been matchfixing in any of his games. What that means is that the games, though farcical in nature, were of high enough quality to deceive the majority of viewers and players. In other words, the game quality is not in jeopardy, only its integrity (I'm assuming by quality you meant gameplay).
Nuclease complained about the potential for a lack of legitimacy, which is understandable. Quality, not so much. For him it may ruin the experience of watching Korean StarCraft, but Koreans are not the only ones capable of matchfixing and he should have no reason to believe foreigners are somehow above that temptation. Therefore, he should just stop watching StarCraft altogether if this is his position.
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
Actually, that's exactly when you stand to make the most money.
Hyun, who won the WCS World Championship in 2014 and came in a close second in 2015, is far and away the highest-profile pro player to be caught up in the unhappily persistent problem of match-fixing.
Hyun too?? Oh wait... He never got WCS champion on 2014... Bad article is bad.
Hyun, who won the WCS World Championship in 2014 and came in a close second in 2015, is far and away the highest-profile pro player to be caught up in the unhappily persistent problem of match-fixing.
Hyun too?? Oh wait... He never got WCS champion on 2014... Bad article is bad.
They are using Life´s real name in the article also. Because of Hyun the player it is pretty confusing
Hyun, who won the WCS World Championship in 2014 and came in a close second in 2015, is far and away the highest-profile pro player to be caught up in the unhappily persistent problem of match-fixing.
Hyun too?? Oh wait... He never got WCS champion on 2014... Bad article is bad.
It might feel like it defies logic but since there have been plenty of sportsmen who have done illegal things (throwng, insider information, betting on games, whatever) with a lot more $$$ it's not an impossibility.
I hope he's not guilty of anything or if he is it is relating to general gambling offenses (Korea bans gambling afaik) than to him being match fixer or aiding and abetting match-fixing
to purely go off in unfair speculation, what if he did something like "oh this player hasn't been playing well against me when he asked me for help with practice, let me bet against him". It's not telling someone to throw a match nor throwing his own matches, but would not be surprised to see young men do some questionable stuff legally or ethically thinking they can make a quick extra buck.
Hyun, who won the WCS World Championship in 2014 and came in a close second in 2015, is far and away the highest-profile pro player to be caught up in the unhappily persistent problem of match-fixing.
Hyun too?? Oh wait... He never got WCS champion on 2014... Bad article is bad.
Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
? I think you misunderstand. I meant just betting in general, not on his own matches or even on Starcraft. Betting is illegal in South Korea.
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
sAviOr
He wasn't in his prime when he match fixed.
How far from it was he? Or how far from whatever would compare to Life's last world topping results? Just curious.
Far from it. Granted he was on the way up again when the news broke, but he was hardly a contender for multiple Starleagues at the time. I would say his career was at a similar point to what Life's has been in the past (say mid-2015 or ~Sep 2014). Not a perfect analogy, but it puts into perspective how far away he still was.
I'm done watching GSL/SSL if this is true. I mean, a few B, C, or D level Koreans doing some match fixing is one thing. But a legend like Life? I would have a very hard time trusting the legitimacy of any one game after such an event, which is a shame, because watching Korean SC2 is one of my greatest pleasures.
youre going to stop with one of your greatest pleasures because of one kids shitty behaviour?
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
? I think you misunderstand. I meant just betting in general, not on his own matches or even on Starcraft. Betting is illegal in South Korea.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
? I think you misunderstand. I meant just betting in general, not on his own matches or even on Starcraft. Betting is illegal in South Korea.
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
sAviOr
He wasn't in his prime when he match fixed.
How far from it was he? Or how far from whatever would compare to Life's last world topping results? Just curious.
Far from it. Granted he was on the way up again when the news broke, but he was hardly a contender for multiple Starleagues at the time. I would say his career was at a similar point to what Life's has been in the past (say mid-2015 or ~Sep 2014). Not a perfect analogy, but it puts into perspective how far away he still was.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
sAviOr
He wasn't in his prime when he match fixed.
How far from it was he? Or how far from whatever would compare to Life's last world topping results? Just curious.
Far from it. Granted he was on the way up again when the news broke, but he was hardly a contender for multiple Starleagues at the time. I would say his career was at a similar point to what Life's has been in the past (say mid-2015 or ~Sep 2014). Not a perfect analogy, but it puts into perspective how far away he still was.
I didn't follow BW but from liquipedia it seems that the match fixing scandal was confirm in may 2010 at that point sAviOr was 2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 champion and his last top 3 was 2007 GOMTV MSL Season 3 in november 2007. He then went out 3 times in Ro32 of MSL, made a Ro 8, out 2 times out of top 32 and didn't qualify for his last one before the scandal so out of 7 MSL 5 ro32 finished, one top 8 and one no qualification In OSL after november 2007 he went Ro 8, Ro 16, Ro 24 and then didn't qualify 5 times in a row. In Proleague he had a sub 50% winrate.
Like I say I wasn't into BW at all so I might saying crap, but from liquipedia it seems that at that point sAviOr was pretty subpar.
On January 30 2016 20:41 Poopi wrote: Assuming he fixed games, which ones, except vs SjoW?
You guys have to realize that losing on purpose isn't the only way to "fix games for money". There are other means to do this as well, like fixing the game time, etc. Not saying this is the case here, but it WOULD be possible.
I hope that Life didn't do anything wrong though, would be incredibly frustrating and worse than that, how could people believe in the intergrity of korean sc2 if someone like Life (star player atm) would be involved :/
Maybe Life has bribed other players to let him win against them? It's just pure speculation but it doesn't have to be him throwing matches to be it matchfixing you know.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
What are the evidences that he is held in a place solely investigating match-fixing except a poster with 10 posts?
On January 30 2016 20:55 Makro wrote: still no news ?
time to go back playing tomb raider
It's weekend. Wait to (at least) monday probably.
Like what? Police says "ok it's the week end, we're going home, see you monday and don't feel too alone in your cell!"?
seems wierd to me, an investigation can't stay on stand by like this, can it?
Not sure how Korean law does it, but most places I know can detain you 48-72 hours before you must be arraigned, and when you get arraigned you can post bail.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
What are the evidences that he is held in a place solely investigating match-fixing except a poster with 10 posts?
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
What are the evidences that he is held in a place solely investigating match-fixing except a poster with 10 posts?
Again if you haven't even read the article you might not want to comment.
On January 30 2016 20:55 Makro wrote: still no news ?
time to go back playing tomb raider
It's weekend. Wait to (at least) monday probably.
Like what? Police says "ok it's the week end, we're going home, see you monday and don't feel too alone in your cell!"?
seems wierd to me, an investigation can't stay on stand by like this, can it?
Not sure how Korean law does it, but most places I know can detain you 48-72 hours before you must be arraigned, and when you get arraigned you can post bail.
In japan it is a number of days, then they must provide some sort of reason, if that can be supplied it can last to 30 days i believe... and from there if they prove some standard of evidence i believe it can be indefinite... >.>
that said, i really hope they postpone his match if it comes to it. In the event he is found to be innocent it would be horrendous to have f'ed him over on his matches @_@
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
What are the evidences that he is held in a place solely investigating match-fixing except a poster with 10 posts?
Again if you haven't even read the article you might not want to comment.
The article is in Korean and pretty sure yesterday the OP didn't talk about Changwon and stuff.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
What are the evidences that he is held in a place solely investigating match-fixing except a poster with 10 posts?
Again if you haven't even read the article you might not want to comment.
The article is in Korean and pretty sure yesterday the OP didn't talk about Changwon and stuff.
There is no edit on the post, so yes he did. And even simple google translate is enough to pick up on what is being reiterated in this thread by multiple native Korean speakers.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
What are the evidences that he is held in a place solely investigating match-fixing except a poster with 10 posts?
Again if you haven't even read the article you might not want to comment.
The article is in Korean and pretty sure yesterday the OP didn't talk about Changwon and stuff.
There is no edit on the post, so yes he did. And even simple google translate is enough to pick up on what is being reiterated in this thread by multiple native Korean speakers.
So he is indeed possibly in deep troubles and people are defending him like madmen, nice double standards (compared to MK)
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
What are the evidences that he is held in a place solely investigating match-fixing except a poster with 10 posts?
Again if you haven't even read the article you might not want to comment.
The article is in Korean and pretty sure yesterday the OP didn't talk about Changwon and stuff.
There is no edit on the post, so yes he did. And even simple google translate is enough to pick up on what is being reiterated in this thread by multiple native Korean speakers.
So he is indeed possibly in deep troubles and people are defending him like madmen, nice double standards (compared to MK)
Don't generalize. Most people are just expressing their worries.
Friday arrests are often done to artificially extend the allowable time the detainee can be put in jail. Say, you can only keep him for 36 hrs unless you file a case. But your case isn't ready yet/you're still gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses. Then you make the arrest on a Friday afternoon. That way, you add basically 2 full days to that 36 hr limit.
I remember i was banned 1 month for saying Life was involced in match fixing when soulkey was acused. That was nearly 1 year ago. Now times give me the reason
On January 30 2016 22:57 TheAnarchy wrote: I remember i was banned 1 month for saying Life was involced in match fixing when soulkey was acused. That was nearly 1 year ago. Now times give me the reason
On January 30 2016 22:57 TheAnarchy wrote: I remember i was banned 1 month for saying Life was involced in match fixing when soulkey was acused. That was nearly 1 year ago. Now times give me the reason
On January 30 2016 22:57 TheAnarchy wrote: I remember i was banned 1 month for saying Life was involced in match fixing when soulkey was acused. That was nearly 1 year ago. Now times give me the reason
Sure, what proof did you present?
I had my proof but it was to early to make it public. I sent mails to the authorities and betting webs. I thought they woudnt investigate but they did respond to my call of justice
On January 30 2016 23:16 neurego7647 wrote: Followings are what canata said in his streaming today
1. I don't want to swear now. I already used so many swear words yesterday.
2. Yesterday, we(SPL commentators) talk about this incident for a long time. We got so angry
3. Please don't chat the word dog. It irritates me (% Dog is one of the famous nickname of life in korea becuase of his zergling play)
4. I guess his charge is match-fixing, but I hope my expectation is wrong
fuck
casters and players are extremely passionate about the scene and they get mad at even just allegations, I'm not brushing off what canata is saying, but it sounds more like hes annoyed than knowing what exactly is going on.
On January 30 2016 23:16 neurego7647 wrote: Followings are what canata said in his streaming today
1. I don't want to swear now. I already used so many swear words yesterday.
2. Yesterday, we(SPL commentators) talk about this incident for a long time. We got so angry
3. Please don't chat the word dog. It irritates me (% Dog is one of the famous nickname of life in korea becuase of his zergling play)
4. I guess his charge is match-fixing, but I hope my expectation is wrong
fuck
casters and players are extremely passionate about the scene and they get mad at even just allegations, I'm not brushing off what canata is saying, but it sounds more like hes annoyed than knowing what exactly is going on.
exactly. i don't see any news here. personally I wouldn't be surprised if the allegations are true, but as it's still entirely possible that they are not, I'm just gonna keep quiet for now.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
Don't know why you are directing this at me, I agree with you. This is a serious situation.
But how about not spreading lies or made up information that makes it sound more serious than it is?
We know that Life has been arrested and is being held atm. That is ALL we know, we can theorize that the place he is held at means that its because of matchfixing but none of us know exactly how the police department in Changwon works. Apparently its close to his home, maybe he was at home when he was arrested for a whole different crime and is being held there due to proximity. Thats how many police departments work after all, if the crime is made in their jurisdiction they arrest and hold the criminal.
I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW.
Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information.
Nobody here actually knows what is going on. Yes it is a serious situation, but assuming you just know what it's about is stupid. Being investigated obviously doesn't mean being guilty and we don't even know what the investigation is for...
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
Don't know why you are directing this at me, I agree with you. This is a serious situation.
But how about not spreading lies or made up information that makes it sound more serious than it is?
We know that Life has been arrested and is being held atm. That is ALL we know, we can theorize that the place he is held at means that its because of matchfixing but none of us know exactly how the police department in Changwon works. Apparently its close to his home, maybe he was at home when he was arrested for a whole different crime and is being held there due to proximity. Thats how many police departments work after all, if the crime is made in their jurisdiction they arrest and hold the criminal.
I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW.
Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information.
you're very very right
I think KeSPA is just guessing like us about the match-fixing stuff when they read the article, which fuels up all this talk right now. Whatever it is, I hope that Life is innocent, or at least, it's nothing SCII-related
On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player.
I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone.
I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW.
Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information.
And even Kespa doesn't know, otherwise they would have kicked him out instead of postponing his match.....
On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player.
I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone.
agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though)
On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player.
I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone.
agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though)
That's the old debate about "Can you be a fan of someone's work when he is a 'bad human being'?" I think you can appreciate aspects of someone, even if he did things you cannot agree with. You just have to seperate the human and his work imo.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this.
Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not)
Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal.
Don't know why you are directing this at me, I agree with you. This is a serious situation.
But how about not spreading lies or made up information that makes it sound more serious than it is?
We know that Life has been arrested and is being held atm. That is ALL we know, we can theorize that the place he is held at means that its because of matchfixing but none of us know exactly how the police department in Changwon works. Apparently its close to his home, maybe he was at home when he was arrested for a whole different crime and is being held there due to proximity. Thats how many police departments work after all, if the crime is made in their jurisdiction they arrest and hold the criminal.
I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW.
Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information.
It also could be something SC2 related without having to do with matchfixing. This could explain why it's the police department in Changwon since they're experienced with esport-players. But that's also speculation like almost everything in this thread
On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player.
I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone.
agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though)
That's the old debate about "Can you be a fan of someone's work when he is a 'bad human being'?" I think you can appreciate aspects of someone, even if he did things you cannot agree with. You just have to seperate the human and his work imo.
the word fan means an emotional connection to me. I mean you can appriciate the good work of an awful human being but being a fan is different.
I really hope it's just some minor alcohol/drug thing or refusing military (although a bit early - would open the Muhammad Ali possibility though...) related. However I came to think about his keyboard problems in 2014 (incl vs sjow iirc) when tons of banes just detonated randomly :/ really hope it's something non sc2 related and not serious
On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player.
I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone.
agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though)
That's the old debate about "Can you be a fan of someone's work when he is a 'bad human being'?" I think you can appreciate aspects of someone, even if he did things you cannot agree with. You just have to seperate the human and his work imo.
the word fan means an emotional connection to me. I mean you can appriciate the good work of an awful human being but being a fan is different.
But i am a fan of the work, no? Nobody here knows the players on a real personal level, i simply CANNOT be a fan of the human being because i don't really know the person. But sure if i know he did something inherently wrong i wouldn't call me a fan of the character, but i still can be a fan of his work imo (or do word it differently, appreciate the work). I think i can seperate these things.
This news has left me feeling drained and lifeless. Anyone tried that yet?
It does not look good because of the prefecture involved being known for game fixing investigations. But let's hope that it is not game fixing as that would be catastrophic considering it is Life that is involved.
Athletics, Tennis and Cycling have hit the news regarding fixing of various sorts - seems nothing sport related is immune to such malfeasance.
On January 31 2016 04:55 NrT.RuSH wrote: I have full faith in the Manitowoc Police Department to resolve this case.
I loled IRL
I doubt there is something serious like they got proof of matchfixing, if so they would have came out and said it? Dont you think, or atleast let Afreeca know whats going on and they tell us we have nothing to worry about etc
On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player.
I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone.
agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though)
That's the old debate about "Can you be a fan of someone's work when he is a 'bad human being'?" I think you can appreciate aspects of someone, even if he did things you cannot agree with. You just have to seperate the human and his work imo.
the word fan means an emotional connection to me. I mean you can appriciate the good work of an awful human being but being a fan is different.
But i am a fan of the work, no? Nobody here knows the players on a real personal level, i simply CANNOT be a fan of the human being because i don't really know the person. But sure if i know he did something inherently wrong i wouldn't call me a fan of the character, but i still can be a fan of his work imo (or do word it differently, appreciate the work). I think i can seperate these things.
I would just word it differently, like you do in your last sentence; appriciate his gameplay. With casters trying to tie emotional bands to players and their gameplay in order to make them stick out more and create stories, it feels weird to be a fan of an awful human being(s work))
On January 31 2016 04:55 NrT.RuSH wrote: I have full faith in the Manitowoc Police Department to resolve this case.
I loled IRL
I doubt there is something serious like they got proof of matchfixing, if so they would have came out and said it? Dont you think, or atleast let Afreeca know whats going on and they tell us we have nothing to worry about etc
No they wouldn't just come out and say it even if they had 100% proof that Life did anything.
Because if he did something they need to keep him and investigate exactly who else was linked to it; and before they know everything for sure they won't disclose any information and rightfully so because it could give time to people involved to react / leave.
And giving info so "we have nothing to worry about" is a very naive statement, they should not give a shit about whatever anyone is worried about. They will communicate on what is going on once they are done with the case.
I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW.
Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information.
And even Kespa doesn't know, otherwise they would have kicked him out instead of postponing his match.....
To be fair Kespa may know and just don't want to say it yet because the investigation is still going on. They'll keep it as "Business as usual" as they can till they have to make a move, it wouldn't surprise me if come next weekend it's "postponed" again
Kespa's previous statement regarding this was that anyone who is NAMED, REGARDLESS of whether they are convicted, gets BANNED FOR LIFE. So if this has anything it do with matchfixing, I trust Kespa will promptly ban Life without further ado.
On January 31 2016 07:42 Doodsmack wrote: Kespa's previous statement regarding this was that anyone who is NAMED, REGARDLESS of whether they are convicted, gets BANNED FOR LIFE. So if this has anything it do with matchfixing, I trust Kespa will promptly ban Life without further ado.
Do you?
Or are you just pointing out the inevitable hypocrisy?
Why do progamers are more likely to be arrested and involve in criminal activities?
Is this the consequences of players outwitting each other in a strategy game? People consistently using their will to outplay should only be inside the circle of SC2 and should not be apply into real life scenarios imo.
On January 31 2016 07:34 bo1b wrote: Zealousy currently on suicide watch.
On January 31 2016 08:15 TriaD wrote: Why do progamers are more likely to be arrested and involve in criminal activities?
Is this the consequences of players outwitting each other in a strategy game? People consistently using their will to outplay should only be inside the circle of SC2 and should not be apply into real life scenarios imo.
On January 31 2016 07:34 bo1b wrote: Zealousy currently on suicide watch.
Count me in.
I think its entirely unlikely that pro gamers are more likely to be involved in criminal activity than other civilians. It just so happens that, especially in our worlds (or mine at least), we are more likely to hear about and remember it because they are semi-famous. I could open up the newspaper to the police blotter section now and pull out 20 instances of civilians be arrested in my local region yesterday alone; and these were only the ones they decided to use. After all they're people like anyone else and they're bound to make mistakes.
On January 31 2016 08:15 TriaD wrote: Why do progamers are more likely to be arrested and involve in criminal activities?
Is this the consequences of players outwitting each other in a strategy game? People consistently using their will to outplay should only be inside the circle of SC2 and should not be apply into real life scenarios imo.
On January 31 2016 07:34 bo1b wrote: Zealousy currently on suicide watch.
Count me in.
I think its entirely unlikely that pro gamers are more likely to be involved in criminal activity than other civilians. It just so happens that, especially in our worlds (or mine at least), we are more likely to hear about and remember it because they are semi-famous. I could open up the newspaper to the police blotter section now and pull out 20 instances of civilians be arrested in my local region yesterday alone; and these were only the ones they decided to use. After all they're people like anyone else and they're bound to make mistakes.
Good point, I guess the diminishing of SC2 player did not create a cause and effect in criminal activities. It's interesting to know that this game - the players and the coaches are generally more likely to get into the police station than the others. Funny how pro gamer's decision is on point but they make mistakes in life.
I guess it demonstrates that most of the pro gamers in this game learned in the hard way by gathering experiences. Being book smart helps you a lot to a certain level on this game until you need to acquire experience to improve your game play.
I mean I can understand the motivation for a player in a game thats pro scene is contracting to want to look for a way to make more money. I mean it happened in BW when the scene was far healthier than sc2's scene is in korean right now.
On January 31 2016 08:15 TriaD wrote: Why do progamers are more likely to be arrested and involve in criminal activities?
Is this the consequences of players outwitting each other in a strategy game? People consistently using their will to outplay should only be inside the circle of SC2 and should not be apply into real life scenarios imo.
On January 31 2016 07:34 bo1b wrote: Zealousy currently on suicide watch.
Count me in.
I think its entirely unlikely that pro gamers are more likely to be involved in criminal activity than other civilians. It just so happens that, especially in our worlds (or mine at least), we are more likely to hear about and remember it because they are semi-famous. I could open up the newspaper to the police blotter section now and pull out 20 instances of civilians be arrested in my local region yesterday alone; and these were only the ones they decided to use. After all they're people like anyone else and they're bound to make mistakes.
Good point, I guess the diminishing of SC2 player did not create a cause and effect in criminal activities. It's interesting to know that this game - the players and the coaches are generally more likely to get into the police station than the others. Funny how pro gamer's decision is on point but they make mistakes in life.
I guess it demonstrates that most of the pro gamers in this game learned in the hard way by gathering experiences. Being book smart helps you a lot to a certain level on this game until you need to acquire experience to improve your game play.
Well that kind of depends doesn't it, its bad decision making if you get caught, good if you don't (life wise) so depending on how many matchfixers hasn't been caught kind of decides that. Lifes seem to be faulty however =P
On January 31 2016 08:15 TriaD wrote: Why do progamers are more likely to be arrested and involve in criminal activities?
Is this the consequences of players outwitting each other in a strategy game? People consistently using their will to outplay should only be inside the circle of SC2 and should not be apply into real life scenarios imo.
On January 31 2016 07:34 bo1b wrote: Zealousy currently on suicide watch.
Count me in.
I think its entirely unlikely that pro gamers are more likely to be involved in criminal activity than other civilians. It just so happens that, especially in our worlds (or mine at least), we are more likely to hear about and remember it because they are semi-famous. I could open up the newspaper to the police blotter section now and pull out 20 instances of civilians be arrested in my local region yesterday alone; and these were only the ones they decided to use. After all they're people like anyone else and they're bound to make mistakes.
Good point, I guess the diminishing of SC2 player did not create a cause and effect in criminal activities. It's interesting to know that this game - the players and the coaches are generally more likely to get into the police station than the others. Funny how pro gamer's decision is on point but they make mistakes in life.
I guess it demonstrates that most of the pro gamers in this game learned in the hard way by gathering experiences. Being book smart helps you a lot to a certain level on this game until you need to acquire experience to improve your game play.
Well that kind of depends doesn't it, its bad decision making if you get caught, good if you don't (life wise) so depending on how many matchfixers hasn't been caught kind of decides that. Lifes seem to be faulty however =P
Sacrificing integrity for money isn't always a good life decision, regardless of if you get caught or not.
On January 31 2016 10:14 aXa wrote: But don't you need to lose to match fix ? Life is not known for losing a lot
There are other ways to fix a match, I recall proleague(?) removed gametimers from their broadcasts so you can't fix matches to last under/over 10 mins for example. So let's say you want to fix a match that way, just make some kind of all-in rush. Win or lose doesn't matter, it will end in x mins if you go heavy all-in.
On January 31 2016 10:14 aXa wrote: But don't you need to lose to match fix ? Life is not known for losing a lot
There are other ways to fix a match, I recall proleague(?) removed gametimers from their broadcasts so you can't fix matches to last under/over 10 mins for example. So let's say you want to fix a match that way, just make some kind of all-in rush. Win or lose doesn't matter, it will end in x mins if you go heavy all-in.
And there's the answer to "Why did Life 6 pool Lilbow 3 straight times?"
On January 31 2016 10:14 aXa wrote: But don't you need to lose to match fix ? Life is not known for losing a lot
There are other ways to fix a match, I recall proleague(?) removed gametimers from their broadcasts so you can't fix matches to last under/over 10 mins for example. So let's say you want to fix a match that way, just make some kind of all-in rush. Win or lose doesn't matter, it will end in x mins if you go heavy all-in.
And there's the answer to "Why did Life 6 pool Lilbow 3 straight times?"
Just in case anyone's not aware, that's a joke
he didn't 6 pool him 3 times. It was one 6 pool, one baneling bust and one backdoor rock speedling allin.
On January 31 2016 10:37 aXa wrote: Meh, gambling on sc2 should be banned.
In Korea any sort of gambling is banned. These games are not fixed by using betting sides outside of korea. The ouside websides like pinnicle are used secoundary by people wanting to even make more money out of their fix. The real bets are staged in the illegal korean betting scene. You cant ban illegal betting, because it is already illegal.
On January 31 2016 08:15 TriaD wrote: Why do progamers are more likely to be arrested and involve in criminal activities?
Is this the consequences of players outwitting each other in a strategy game? People consistently using their will to outplay should only be inside the circle of SC2 and should not be apply into real life scenarios imo.
On January 31 2016 07:34 bo1b wrote: Zealousy currently on suicide watch.
Count me in.
I think its entirely unlikely that pro gamers are more likely to be involved in criminal activity than other civilians. It just so happens that, especially in our worlds (or mine at least), we are more likely to hear about and remember it because they are semi-famous. I could open up the newspaper to the police blotter section now and pull out 20 instances of civilians be arrested in my local region yesterday alone; and these were only the ones they decided to use. After all they're people like anyone else and they're bound to make mistakes.
Good point, I guess the diminishing of SC2 player did not create a cause and effect in criminal activities. It's interesting to know that this game - the players and the coaches are generally more likely to get into the police station than the others. Funny how pro gamer's decision is on point but they make mistakes in life.
I guess it demonstrates that most of the pro gamers in this game learned in the hard way by gathering experiences. Being book smart helps you a lot to a certain level on this game until you need to acquire experience to improve your game play.
Well that kind of depends doesn't it, its bad decision making if you get caught, good if you don't (life wise) so depending on how many matchfixers hasn't been caught kind of decides that. Lifes seem to be faulty however =P
Sacrificing integrity for money isn't always a good life decision, regardless of if you get caught or not.
On January 31 2016 12:50 evolsiefil wrote: it will turn out that life is completely innocent and someone falsely accused him in order to hurt his reputation. you heard it here first.
haha, at that point the pitch forks are coming out for sure.
On January 31 2016 12:50 evolsiefil wrote: it will turn out that life is completely innocent and someone falsely accused him in order to hurt his reputation. you heard it here first.
haha, at that point the pitch forks are coming out for sure.
On January 31 2016 14:24 Shady Sands wrote: Wow this sucks. When Savior was caught, it really marked the beginning of the end for BW as an eSport. Not sure if Life will do the same for SC2.
Can we wait for the slightest evidence before we say shit like this ok great thanks
If they had a team for people held in the military in BW, could they make a team for people held in prison in SC2. The numbers are slowly getting there!
On January 31 2016 16:21 opisska wrote: If they had a team for people held in the military in BW, could they make a team for people held in prison in SC2. The numbers are slowly getting there!
And the team uniform would be black-white stripes sponsored by... KeSPA Jail... Love it
On January 31 2016 16:21 opisska wrote: If they had a team for people held in the military in BW, could they make a team for people held in prison in SC2. The numbers are slowly getting there!
And the team uniform would be black-white stripes sponsored by... KeSPA Jail... Love it
First place is early parole. I wonder how much practice they'd get then.
On January 31 2016 16:21 opisska wrote: If they had a team for people held in the military in BW, could they make a team for people held in prison in SC2. The numbers are slowly getting there!
And the team uniform would be black-white stripes sponsored by... KeSPA Jail... Love it
First place is early parole. I wonder how much practice they'd get then.
Well its just about to be monday in KR so if anything in a few hours we could possibly see something , but the investigation could be waiting till they have something conclusive befor making any annoucement.
How much do people actually gamble on matches? As in, how big is the overall market and how much is typically on the line for a regular match vs a high-profile one?
God, I know everyone is all "innocent until proven guilty", but I don't think anyone has ever been cleared of wrongdoing after formally accused by the prosecution.
On January 31 2016 10:14 aXa wrote: But don't you need to lose to match fix ? Life is not known for losing a lot
There are other ways to fix a match, I recall proleague(?) removed gametimers from their broadcasts so you can't fix matches to last under/over 10 mins for example. So let's say you want to fix a match that way, just make some kind of all-in rush. Win or lose doesn't matter, it will end in x mins if you go heavy all-in.
And there's the answer to "Why did Life 6 pool Lilbow 3 straight times?"
Just in case anyone's not aware, that's a joke
6-pool......I'd forgotten that was actually a thing. Can't do it anymore.
On January 31 2016 17:44 lestye wrote: God, I know everyone is all "innocent until proven guilty", but I don't think anyone has ever been cleared of wrongdoing after formally accused by the prosecution.
Ya it just doesn't look any good right now, prosecution do not just arrest anybody without any proof on hand.
On January 31 2016 17:44 lestye wrote: God, I know everyone is all "innocent until proven guilty", but I don't think anyone has ever been cleared of wrongdoing after formally accused by the prosecution.
Ya it just doesn't look any good right now, prosecution do not just arrest anybody without any proof on hand.
Yup, and that's the same case in Korea.
The arrest pretty much meant that prosecution had enough evidence and felt overwhelmingly confident that Life committed a crime. The question was what it was for, and they announced the brief details today.
On January 31 2016 17:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: I don't understand. He was a Blizzcon Champion, royal roader, and earned hundreds of thousands of dollars the RIGHT way.
On January 31 2016 17:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: I don't understand. He was a Blizzcon Champion, royal roader, and earned hundreds of thousands of dollars the RIGHT way.
people said that about savior and look how that turned out
On January 31 2016 17:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: I don't understand. He was a Blizzcon Champion, royal roader, and earned hundreds of thousands of dollars the RIGHT way.
On January 31 2016 17:44 lestye wrote: God, I know everyone is all "innocent until proven guilty", but I don't think anyone has ever been cleared of wrongdoing after formally accused by the prosecution.
Remember the thing back then when YoDa was found out involved in match-fixing? The first time maybe it was greed, Life was young and by no mean matured yet, and then he might get blackmailed to do more like YoDa case. I don't know, we should just wait for official news.
After MC retirement, Life is my only favorite player left. Sad to read about this.
On January 31 2016 18:04 MoonFan wrote: Remember the thing back then when YoDa was found out involved in match-fixing? The first time maybe it was greed, Life was young and by no mean matured yet, and then he might get blackmailed to do more like YoDa case. I don't know, we should just wait for official news.
After MC retirement, Life is my only favorite player left. Sad to read about this.
MC isn't really retired, he's playing at IEM taipei!
On January 31 2016 18:04 MoonFan wrote: Remember the thing back then when YoDa was found out involved in match-fixing? The first time maybe it was greed, Life was young and by no mean matured yet, and then he might get blackmailed to do more like YoDa case. I don't know, we should just wait for official news.
After MC retirement, Life is my only favorite player left. Sad to read about this.
MC isn't really retired, he's playing at IEM taipei!
He is really retired, and he's playing at IEM. Well, at least MC himself insists that he's retired.
On January 31 2016 17:44 lestye wrote: God, I know everyone is all "innocent until proven guilty", but I don't think anyone has ever been cleared of wrongdoing after formally accused by the prosecution.
Life has not been formally accused of anything.
He hasn't been charged. He's certainly been accused since he's been arrested.
On January 31 2016 18:04 MoonFan wrote: Remember the thing back then when YoDa was found out involved in match-fixing? The first time maybe it was greed, Life was young and by no mean matured yet, and then he might get blackmailed to do more like YoDa case. I don't know, we should just wait for official news.
After MC retirement, Life is my only favorite player left. Sad to read about this.
MC isn't really retired, he's playing at IEM taipei!
He is really retired, and he's playing at IEM. Well, at least MC himself insists that he's retired.
What kind of retired player takes an invitation to a very competitive tournament?
On January 31 2016 18:04 MoonFan wrote: Remember the thing back then when YoDa was found out involved in match-fixing? The first time maybe it was greed, Life was young and by no mean matured yet, and then he might get blackmailed to do more like YoDa case. I don't know, we should just wait for official news.
After MC retirement, Life is my only favorite player left. Sad to read about this.
MC isn't really retired, he's playing at IEM taipei!
He is really retired, and he's playing at IEM. Well, at least MC himself insists that he's retired.
What kind of retired player takes an invitation to a very competitive tournament?
On January 31 2016 18:04 MoonFan wrote: Remember the thing back then when YoDa was found out involved in match-fixing? The first time maybe it was greed, Life was young and by no mean matured yet, and then he might get blackmailed to do more like YoDa case. I don't know, we should just wait for official news.
After MC retirement, Life is my only favorite player left. Sad to read about this.
MC isn't really retired, he's playing at IEM taipei!
He is really retired, and he's playing at IEM. Well, at least MC himself insists that he's retired.
What kind of retired player takes an invitation to a very competitive tournament?
EPT
I hope this investigation does not end bad
