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RaymondFish
Profile Joined July 2012
United States42 Posts
December 22 2015 07:23 GMT
#101
Open to everyone but those pesky Koreans. What a joke WCS is.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 07:37:50
December 22 2015 07:31 GMT
#102
On December 22 2015 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Looks really good, I'm really looking forward to this.

Don't see why everyone is being so negative, there are plenty of Korean leagues if that's what you'd like to see.


4 a year. Ok.

Oh well. Time to go back watching BW since the best player i will see on WE tournament will be Lilbow or something.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Horiken
Profile Joined April 2013
Japan68 Posts
December 22 2015 07:37 GMT
#103
On December 22 2015 16:31 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Looks really good, I'm really looking forward to this.

Don't see why everyone is being so negative, there are plenty of Korean leagues if that's what you'd like to see.


4 a year. Ok.


Well then. Not watching anything that isn't a KR league will be : "not watching anything live" now.

Oh well. Time to go back on BW sincee the best player i will see on WE tournament will be Lilbow or something.


French can't watch Proleague? That's too bad...
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 07:41:08
December 22 2015 07:38 GMT
#104
On December 22 2015 16:37 Horiken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 16:31 FFW_Rude wrote:
On December 22 2015 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Looks really good, I'm really looking forward to this.

Don't see why everyone is being so negative, there are plenty of Korean leagues if that's what you'd like to see.


4 a year. Ok.


Well then. Not watching anything that isn't a KR league will be : "not watching anything live" now.

Oh well. Time to go back on BW sincee the best player i will see on WE tournament will be Lilbow or something.


French can't watch Proleague? That's too bad...


Monday and Tuesday at 10am. I have a thing called work. And watching French cast is like asking me to swallow a big full off spiders.

No KR at events is just plain stupid. I just don't get it.

Hey ! We don't like spanish. TOO STRONG !!! Hey Nadal ? You have French Residency ? No ? Then go fuck yourself for Rolland Garros.

Hey ! You dirty strangers ? French residecy ? Then shove your bike up your ass ! No tour de france for you..

Yup.. That sound about right. I wonder what people would say hum....

#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
evolsiefil
Profile Joined October 2015
143 Posts
December 22 2015 07:40 GMT
#105
No koreans = couldnt care less. Fu Blizzard u killed sc2 as a spectator sport.
Horiken
Profile Joined April 2013
Japan68 Posts
December 22 2015 07:59 GMT
#106
I'm so shocked that a lot of people thinks this Korean-dominated scene is healthy. I thouhg everyone think this should be fixed.
It is no doubt Korean is destroying the global scene and popularity of this game(of course, it's not Korean's fault, but Blizzard's bad 2013 WCS system). If you doubt, ask other e-sports title fan how do they think Korean-dominated scene. LoL fan was crazy about Korean vs Korean final, even though a lot of foreign team participates Worlds.

Blizzard finally start to fix this with this sysytem. This may lose a lot (Korean talent, viewers, possibly sponsors...) but this is what must be done someday. 8 WCS circuit player destroyed by WCS Korean player? What is the problem? In football worldcup, only Europe/south America team will win, but half of spot is given for Asia/Africa/North Amreica(14.5 or 15.5/32 ). Asian team rarely make good decision, but they have 4.5 spot. At least in Blizzcon, bottom 8 player will not appear, they appear only small studio 1 week before Blizzcon. I don't know what is the problem. You want 12-hour-long Bo5×8 day at the cost of this game's future?

You may think it's ok if SC2 becomes Korean local e-sports(just like BW), but at least Blizzard and some fan don't think so.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 08:02:03
December 22 2015 07:59 GMT
#107
The new WCS system has many problems. Yes, one of the problems is that we won't see Korean players at foreign events. Another issue is that it seems Korea can't host its own circuit events unless they are global events and then have to have qualifiers open to everyone even foreigners. Outside of Korea then there's no incentive for organisers to host global events as they get no prize pool help and support from Blizzard. Organisers because of this are then discouraged from hosting events with Koreans in as they can cut costs by not having them apart of the system.

Which brings me on to the main problem, WCS will have 11 tournaments this year restricted to foreigners, Korea will have 5 it remains to be seen whether there will be another. Therefore, there will be chances for up and coming foreigners because of all the support from Blizzard whether it be travel or prize pool. The Korean system on the other hand just works on a rich get richer system. If you're a new rookie starting out in Korea you have basically no chance to make it. There are limited tournaments a year and in it you'll face people who have specialised practice and have been playing the game for years. How can you succeed in a system that deliberately makes it difficult for you to get a chance? The current rookies share a similar problem as less tournaments mean less time to get yourself out there which means less opportunities to earn money which then encourages retirement. The chance of us seeing Guilty, SpeeD, Dynamite is greatly reduced. The new WCS system might help and support new foreigners but it stops the chance of us finding and seeing new Korean talent have a miracle run.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
December 22 2015 08:01 GMT
#108
I wanted to go there initially, but now I don't care anymore.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Fliparoni
Profile Joined February 2012
205 Posts
December 22 2015 08:03 GMT
#109
So anticlimactic. At first I was excited that a DH was taking place and then I remembered the new rules and saw the player lists. Such a shame.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
December 22 2015 08:23 GMT
#110
From what I see it is just residency which is required, Koreans are not locked out, they just have to commit to go longterm to a foreign country to play WCS, just as foreigners would have to commit to go to Korea to be able to have somewhat equal practice opportunities. So what's the big deal, they can just move.
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
December 22 2015 08:25 GMT
#111
Well, damn I guess sOs can no longer get WCS points through these events
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
December 22 2015 08:28 GMT
#112
this is not how real sports work. This is a joke.
Liquid`Bunny
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark145 Posts
December 22 2015 08:28 GMT
#113
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore
Team Liquid
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 22 2015 08:30 GMT
#114
On December 22 2015 16:59 Horiken wrote:
I'm so shocked that a lot of people thinks this Korean-dominated scene is healthy. I thouhg everyone think this should be fixed.
It is no doubt Korean is destroying the global scene and popularity of this game(of course, it's not Korean's fault, but Blizzard's bad 2013 WCS system). If you doubt, ask other e-sports title fan how do they think Korean-dominated scene. LoL fan was crazy about Korean vs Korean final, even though a lot of foreign team participates Worlds.

Blizzard finally start to fix this with this sysytem. This may lose a lot (Korean talent, viewers, possibly sponsors...) but this is what must be done someday. 8 WCS circuit player destroyed by WCS Korean player? What is the problem? In football worldcup, only Europe/south America team will win, but half of spot is given for Asia/Africa/North Amreica(14.5 or 15.5/32 ). Asian team rarely make good decision, but they have 4.5 spot. At least in Blizzcon, bottom 8 player will not appear, they appear only small studio 1 week before Blizzcon. I don't know what is the problem. You want 12-hour-long Bo5×8 day at the cost of this game's future?

You may think it's ok if SC2 becomes Korean local e-sports(just like BW), but at least Blizzard and some fan don't think so.


For the love of god when will people understand that our problem is not with helping foreign talents but it is with fucking over the Korean scene?!

You took away DH and IEM and any other premier possible tournament from the Koreans for the sake of foreigners. But what did they do to compensate? Absolutely nothing! instead, GSL and SSL got less seasons and SSL turned into a KeSPA cup with higher prize pool!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
December 22 2015 08:31 GMT
#115
On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore

Oh...
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
December 22 2015 08:32 GMT
#116
On December 22 2015 17:31 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore

Oh...

I couldn't tell if sarcasm or not
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 08:35:13
December 22 2015 08:34 GMT
#117


desRow's benefitting from the new system, isn't he.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
December 22 2015 08:36 GMT
#118
On December 22 2015 17:34 boxerfred wrote:
https://twitter.com/desRowfighting/status/678718933755539456

desRow's benefitting from the new system, isn't he.

Well it allows him to show his dislike of Koreans more easily than before
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
Growiel
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)363 Posts
December 22 2015 08:42 GMT
#119
On December 22 2015 17:34 boxerfred wrote:
https://twitter.com/desRowfighting/status/678718933755539456

desRow's benefitting from the new system, isn't he.


He's just looking for an easier time and money.
StarCraft II for ever.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 22 2015 08:44 GMT
#120
On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore


At least tell me snute is going....
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