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On December 22 2015 22:52 Ve5pa wrote:


Haha, this made me laugh xD

But those tweets from the full of salt North Americans didn't, really sad to see that. Backhanded compliment from iNcontrol as well.

IMO Blizzard should give the fans what they want, and clearly many people want to see Koreans at foreign events.

Half of the issue a lot of pro's seem to have is the Koreans that have the right to play like Polt don't play on their local ladders and therefore don't contribute to that community getting better. I know total Biscuit had some ideas about this he went over in a soundcloud piece.

On December 22 2015 23:10 aQuaSC wrote:


Yeah, I agree. Unless there is a real incentive in playing local ladder, Koreans (I mean the majority or just the currently best ones) will never willingly play anywhere else than in their own region. I'm not even sure if money would fix that, as TB's solution proposed.

And to counter an argument that foreigners playing with foreigners will hurt the overall player-base skill-wise, wouldn't the situation where Koreans play foreigners hurt Korean skill level? Wouldn't the "pure" skill got worse if they weren't forced to compete that hard, while they would be the best in the region?

On December 22 2015 23:14 p4ch1n0 wrote:

So giving money to not top tier players is good for the sceene? I might be having a dejavu, but i think i have heard of a system that tries to do exactly that.

On December 22 2015 23:25 Diabolique wrote:

Well, the not top tier Koreans were going to the DH events, where the top tier ones were not going. And that helped them to get the confidence and also some money. That was good for them.

On December 22 2015 23:25 Diabolique wrote:

Well, the not top tier Koreans were going to the DH events, where the top tier ones were not going. And that helped them to get the confidence and also some money. That was good for them.

On December 22 2015 23:43 Ve5pa wrote:
It's really sad that Blizzard has made some of these changes, encouraging the best players to come to EU or NA and compete their seems like a good thing to me. Imagine this in football (soccer for the yanks) if south americans were banned because they were too OP, imagine no Messi or Aguerro.

Also if you think eSports can't be compared to 'real sports' you could look at League of Legends, NA was/is shit so they imported Europeans and a few Koreans, their NA LCS has gotten better, well more entertaining to watch at least. In EU they also allow imports, the team that utilised those imports most effectively, Fnatic, got to semi finals of the world championship, Origen didn't have any Koreans but they sure practiced against them and teams with Koreans on in scrims and they got to the semi finals as well. imports are limited to 2 per team of 5 for those unfamiliar with LoL.

On December 23 2015 00:01 Clonester wrote:


It is not just residency, we had residency.
You need either a student, working or sports visa. Taking for example germany:

The koreans often left school with 15 to become a progamer and cannot just go to a university. They also dont want to study here, but want to be a full time pro in Germany, thus student visa does not work.
E-Sport-Pros do not get sports visa in Germany.
Working visa: Extremly complicated. As progamers are no sports athlets in germany, someone has to actually pay them like normal workers. But then the gouvernment checks if there arent any german unemployed people who could also do the job. And then you have to pay per month a large amount of payment to the progamer or it could also be illegal.

There is a reason why all residency koreans live in America while nobody lives europe. ForGG was only there due to the ForGG rule in the WCS handbook.

Residency like Patience, Golden, HyuN, MC, First, Yoda, Sacsri, Jjakji and Stardust have been made impossible.
So stop saying residency is the only requirement and they could just move their home here.

On December 23 2015 01:12 aQuaSC wrote:


Although I know that your proposition is just a loose way of pointing out direction which Blizzard should take, I believe making a requirement like that is not a good idea, since:

1. it could only be achieved if all of the regions played connected to each other with equal latency (this could actually solve everything, or let's make sc2 turn-based - or make Blizzard put good servers in-between EU and Korea), and
2. you can't guarantee that Koreans will try-hard these games outside of KR like they do on their own server. And this try-harding is what other regions need.

Basically KR tryhards practice full-time with each other and come for international tournaments (often they were, or still are invited) to secure most of the top 16 spots. That is what hurts everyone but Koreans. I wish this was not the case from the beginning, to invite Koreans to international tournaments as a tourist attraction to see how good infrastructure Korea has compared to other countries... now it feels like hurting Korea - their possibilites vastly expanded over possibilities of foreigners and now suddenly they are stopped.

What puzzles me is why Korean expansion over international scene was always viewed by majority as a good thing, while it was silently hurting every try of creating an infrastructure outside of it. Now everyone is amazed how unfairly Korea is treated in the new system. Imagine how every non-Korean player felt, pro or committed to becoming pro, with a fact that to be considered good you have to beat at least few super-competitive Koreans with nothing close to their infrastructure in what was officially seen as a local competition. Otherwise you are mediocre. DreamHack, IEM, you name it.

To some people 90% Koreans with 10% of lucky or "foreign hopes" was an objectively good thing. I also wish we never had a need to create a term "foreign hope". To me it never was a good thing. Instead of becoming professional and competitive you were doing your best to be a "foreign hope". But - everyone has their own truth.

On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:


Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break.

And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle.