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I think there is a big bridge in communication here. I don't think many, if any would've been that upset if Blizzard turned WCS into a foreigner only tournament.
It is the fact that they are forcing normal tournaments to conform to the exclusionary policy of one ethnicity for WCS Circuit support. Even this was somewhat fine, because there is supposed to be WCS Global right?
No, they made WCS Global an extremely difficult tournament to set up financially as well as create a large amount of requirements that are very difficult for tournaments to meet especially considering they will have to create without financial support.
If they made WCS Global a practically tournament to run, it would hardly be seen as a problem.
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On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 19:56 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 19:50 Liquid`Snute wrote:
As someone who usually would lose to the champion or someone KeSPA 2-3 in bracket stages of whatever DH/IEM Ro8 it's nice to see that a Ro8 finish here nets $500 more. but ... oh ... right ... lolol .... >_<
Massive money and support... I just hope there are opportunities for the best performing players somewhere down the line, more than once per year, to play vs Korean competition. EU-KR love all the way ~ You know, you are our hero. You brought us the amazing matches against the two protosses on IEM last year. These were the matches, we were looking forward to the whole year. Not to GSL, SSL ... not to WCS. And now, it is gone. There will be no opportunities to repeat it. At least, I hope, you will show good games in the RO16 group at BlizzCon. Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined.
It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything.
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On December 22 2015 17:44 WrathSCII wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore At least tell me snute is going.... 
He's a filthy foreigner, what do you care?
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On December 22 2015 22:35 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 19:56 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 19:50 Liquid`Snute wrote:
As someone who usually would lose to the champion or someone KeSPA 2-3 in bracket stages of whatever DH/IEM Ro8 it's nice to see that a Ro8 finish here nets $500 more. but ... oh ... right ... lolol .... >_<
Massive money and support... I just hope there are opportunities for the best performing players somewhere down the line, more than once per year, to play vs Korean competition. EU-KR love all the way ~ You know, you are our hero. You brought us the amazing matches against the two protosses on IEM last year. These were the matches, we were looking forward to the whole year. Not to GSL, SSL ... not to WCS. And now, it is gone. There will be no opportunities to repeat it. At least, I hope, you will show good games in the RO16 group at BlizzCon. Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined. It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything.
Copied from Diaboliques list:
1. IEM Taipei - herO, HyuN, Polt, Rain, Classic, Life, Soulkey, PartinG, Maru, TRUE, Hydra
2. IEM WC - 16 top Koreans
3. DH Tours - Rain, PartinG, MC, FanTaSy, GuMiho, MMA, TRUE, Hydra, HyuN
4. HSC XI - PartinG, Rain, GuMiho, HyuN
5. DH Valencia - Pigbaby, Terminator, HerO, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TaeJa, TRUE, HyuN, Leenock, Curious, Symbol
6. IEM Shenzhen - Losira, TY, SuperNova, Classic, Rain, YongHwa, herO, PartinG
7. IEM gamescom - soO, MMA, INnoVation, FanTaSy
8. MSI - INnoVation, Hydra, PartinG, HyuN, sOs, Solar, Jaedong, viOLet, Polt
9. DH Stockholm - HerO, Hurricane, sOs, Rain, FanTaSy, TRUE, Jaedong, Curious, Leenock, HyuN, Solar, Dark
Hurricane pretty much the only small name on the list.
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On December 22 2015 22:27 Nerchio wrote:
So there is only 2 spots for EU that are paid and the rest has to go for open qualifier at the place?
As I understood, there is no "Openqualifier".
There are a total of 96 slots in the tournament (just like every other D.H. Open.) , 3 Groupstages (where "Pros" just join the 2nd Groupstage, while not so famous ones start in the first one.) and then Playoffs from R016 onwoards.
The 8 Qualifierslots will give the qualified players total travel payment, while the other 88 player just travel to the event like last year at D.H. Valenca and other D.H. events.
Other then the payment, all qualified players are equal to the players who just travel to the event and play there.
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On December 22 2015 22:35 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 17:44 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore At least tell me snute is going.... He's a filthy foreigner, what do you care?
No, you are a filthy foreigner! Snute is already half Korean, regretting he cannot play other Koreans. When Blizzard finds it out, he will be banned from the tournaments as well ;-)
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On December 22 2015 22:35 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 17:44 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore At least tell me snute is going.... He's a filthy foreigner, what do you care?
He is special, he can play. I don't know what this "special" means though
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On December 22 2015 22:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:35 AWalker9 wrote:On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 19:56 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 19:50 Liquid`Snute wrote:
As someone who usually would lose to the champion or someone KeSPA 2-3 in bracket stages of whatever DH/IEM Ro8 it's nice to see that a Ro8 finish here nets $500 more. but ... oh ... right ... lolol .... >_<
Massive money and support... I just hope there are opportunities for the best performing players somewhere down the line, more than once per year, to play vs Korean competition. EU-KR love all the way ~ You know, you are our hero. You brought us the amazing matches against the two protosses on IEM last year. These were the matches, we were looking forward to the whole year. Not to GSL, SSL ... not to WCS. And now, it is gone. There will be no opportunities to repeat it. At least, I hope, you will show good games in the RO16 group at BlizzCon. Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined. It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything. Copied from Diaboliques list: Show nested quote +1. IEM Taipei - herO, HyuN, Polt, Rain, Classic, Life, Soulkey, PartinG, Maru, TRUE, Hydra
2. IEM WC - 16 top Koreans
3. DH Tours - Rain, PartinG, MC, FanTaSy, GuMiho, MMA, TRUE, Hydra, HyuN
4. HSC XI - PartinG, Rain, GuMiho, HyuN
5. DH Valencia - Pigbaby, Terminator, HerO, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TaeJa, TRUE, HyuN, Leenock, Curious, Symbol
6. IEM Shenzhen - Losira, TY, SuperNova, Classic, Rain, YongHwa, herO, PartinG
7. IEM gamescom - soO, MMA, INnoVation, FanTaSy
8. MSI - INnoVation, Hydra, PartinG, HyuN, sOs, Solar, Jaedong, viOLet, Polt
9. DH Stockholm - HerO, Hurricane, sOs, Rain, FanTaSy, TRUE, Jaedong, Curious, Leenock, HyuN, Solar, Dark Hurricane pretty much the only small name on the list.
Sorry. Soulkey, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TRUE, Pigbaby, Terminator, TaeJa, Leenock, Symbol, Losira, SuperNova, YongHwa, Hurricane ... Learn to count! :-)
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On December 22 2015 22:44 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 22 2015 22:35 AWalker9 wrote:On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 19:56 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 19:50 Liquid`Snute wrote:
As someone who usually would lose to the champion or someone KeSPA 2-3 in bracket stages of whatever DH/IEM Ro8 it's nice to see that a Ro8 finish here nets $500 more. but ... oh ... right ... lolol .... >_<
Massive money and support... I just hope there are opportunities for the best performing players somewhere down the line, more than once per year, to play vs Korean competition. EU-KR love all the way ~ You know, you are our hero. You brought us the amazing matches against the two protosses on IEM last year. These were the matches, we were looking forward to the whole year. Not to GSL, SSL ... not to WCS. And now, it is gone. There will be no opportunities to repeat it. At least, I hope, you will show good games in the RO16 group at BlizzCon. Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined. It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything. Copied from Diaboliques list: 1. IEM Taipei - herO, HyuN, Polt, Rain, Classic, Life, Soulkey, PartinG, Maru, TRUE, Hydra
2. IEM WC - 16 top Koreans
3. DH Tours - Rain, PartinG, MC, FanTaSy, GuMiho, MMA, TRUE, Hydra, HyuN
4. HSC XI - PartinG, Rain, GuMiho, HyuN
5. DH Valencia - Pigbaby, Terminator, HerO, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TaeJa, TRUE, HyuN, Leenock, Curious, Symbol
6. IEM Shenzhen - Losira, TY, SuperNova, Classic, Rain, YongHwa, herO, PartinG
7. IEM gamescom - soO, MMA, INnoVation, FanTaSy
8. MSI - INnoVation, Hydra, PartinG, HyuN, sOs, Solar, Jaedong, viOLet, Polt
9. DH Stockholm - HerO, Hurricane, sOs, Rain, FanTaSy, TRUE, Jaedong, Curious, Leenock, HyuN, Solar, Dark Hurricane pretty much the only small name on the list. Sorry. Soulkey, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TRUE, Pigbaby, Terminator, TaeJa, Leenock, Symbol, Losira, SuperNova, YongHwa, Hurricane ... Learn to count! :-)
These are the names, who do not have much chance to make it far in the 2 seasons of GSL / SSL. And can't compete anywhere else. Except for the one cup. OK are only those, who play Proleague.
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On December 22 2015 22:49 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:44 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 22:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 22 2015 22:35 AWalker9 wrote:On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 19:56 Diabolique wrote:
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You know, you are our hero. You brought us the amazing matches against the two protosses on IEM last year. These were the matches, we were looking forward to the whole year. Not to GSL, SSL ... not to WCS. And now, it is gone. There will be no opportunities to repeat it. At least, I hope, you will show good games in the RO16 group at BlizzCon. Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined. It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything. Copied from Diaboliques list: 1. IEM Taipei - herO, HyuN, Polt, Rain, Classic, Life, Soulkey, PartinG, Maru, TRUE, Hydra
2. IEM WC - 16 top Koreans
3. DH Tours - Rain, PartinG, MC, FanTaSy, GuMiho, MMA, TRUE, Hydra, HyuN
4. HSC XI - PartinG, Rain, GuMiho, HyuN
5. DH Valencia - Pigbaby, Terminator, HerO, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TaeJa, TRUE, HyuN, Leenock, Curious, Symbol
6. IEM Shenzhen - Losira, TY, SuperNova, Classic, Rain, YongHwa, herO, PartinG
7. IEM gamescom - soO, MMA, INnoVation, FanTaSy
8. MSI - INnoVation, Hydra, PartinG, HyuN, sOs, Solar, Jaedong, viOLet, Polt
9. DH Stockholm - HerO, Hurricane, sOs, Rain, FanTaSy, TRUE, Jaedong, Curious, Leenock, HyuN, Solar, Dark Hurricane pretty much the only small name on the list. Sorry. Soulkey, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TRUE, Pigbaby, Terminator, TaeJa, Leenock, Symbol, Losira, SuperNova, YongHwa, Hurricane ... Learn to count! :-) These are the names, who do not have much chance to make it far in the 2 seasons of GSL / SSL. And can't compete anywhere else. Except for the one cup. OK are only those, who play Proleague.
Soulkey is a GSL champion. He can always do well.
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On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore
Haha, this made me laugh xD
But those tweets from the full of salt North Americans didn't, really sad to see that. Backhanded compliment from iNcontrol as well.
IMO Blizzard should give the fans what they want, and clearly many people want to see Koreans at foreign events.
Half of the issue a lot of pro's seem to have is the Koreans that have the right to play like Polt don't play on their local ladders and therefore don't contribute to that community getting better. I know total Biscuit had some ideas about this he went over in a soundcloud piece.
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On December 22 2015 22:49 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:44 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 22:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 22 2015 22:35 AWalker9 wrote:On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 19:56 Diabolique wrote:
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You know, you are our hero. You brought us the amazing matches against the two protosses on IEM last year. These were the matches, we were looking forward to the whole year. Not to GSL, SSL ... not to WCS. And now, it is gone. There will be no opportunities to repeat it. At least, I hope, you will show good games in the RO16 group at BlizzCon. Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined. It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything. Copied from Diaboliques list: 1. IEM Taipei - herO, HyuN, Polt, Rain, Classic, Life, Soulkey, PartinG, Maru, TRUE, Hydra
2. IEM WC - 16 top Koreans
3. DH Tours - Rain, PartinG, MC, FanTaSy, GuMiho, MMA, TRUE, Hydra, HyuN
4. HSC XI - PartinG, Rain, GuMiho, HyuN
5. DH Valencia - Pigbaby, Terminator, HerO, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TaeJa, TRUE, HyuN, Leenock, Curious, Symbol
6. IEM Shenzhen - Losira, TY, SuperNova, Classic, Rain, YongHwa, herO, PartinG
7. IEM gamescom - soO, MMA, INnoVation, FanTaSy
8. MSI - INnoVation, Hydra, PartinG, HyuN, sOs, Solar, Jaedong, viOLet, Polt
9. DH Stockholm - HerO, Hurricane, sOs, Rain, FanTaSy, TRUE, Jaedong, Curious, Leenock, HyuN, Solar, Dark Hurricane pretty much the only small name on the list. Sorry. Soulkey, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TRUE, Pigbaby, Terminator, TaeJa, Leenock, Symbol, Losira, SuperNova, YongHwa, Hurricane ... Learn to count! :-) These are the names, who do not have much chance to make it far in the 2 seasons of GSL / SSL. And can't compete anywhere else. Except for the one cup. OK are only those, who play Proleague.
I came up with another funny solution for WCS 2016 to make everyone happy: once a player wins a tournament, he should be blocked from entering any other tournament until Blizzcon. That way more Koreans have a chance!
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On December 22 2015 22:52 Ve5pa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore Haha, this made me laugh xD But those tweets from the full of salt North Americans didn't, really sad to see that. Backhanded compliment from iNcontrol as well. IMO Blizzard should give the fans what they want, and clearly many people want to see Koreans at foreign events. Half of the issue a lot of pro's seem to have is the Koreans that have the right to play like Polt don't play on their local ladders and therefore don't contribute to that community getting better. I know total Biscuit had some ideas about this he went over in a soundcloud piece.
We acutally had Patience, Golden, HyuN, MC, First, Yoda, Jjakji, Stardust, Sacsri and ForGG playing all day on the Europen ladder. We kicked their asses back to korea.
Not to mention, that Fantasy and True were ready to move over. Even Rain. And the Invasion Esports Koreans. We shut the door right in their face.
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On December 22 2015 23:00 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:52 Ve5pa wrote:On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore Haha, this made me laugh xD But those tweets from the full of salt North Americans didn't, really sad to see that. Backhanded compliment from iNcontrol as well. IMO Blizzard should give the fans what they want, and clearly many people want to see Koreans at foreign events. Half of the issue a lot of pro's seem to have is the Koreans that have the right to play like Polt don't play on their local ladders and therefore don't contribute to that community getting better. I know total Biscuit had some ideas about this he went over in a soundcloud piece. We acutally had Patience, Golden, HyuN, MC, First, Yoda, Jjakji, Stardust, Sacsri and ForGG playing all day on the Europen ladder. We kicked their asses back to korea. Not to mention, that Fantasy and True were ready to move over. Even Rain. And the Invasion Esports Koreans. We shut the door right in their face.
Yeah it seems mainly an NA issue to be honest from what I hear. Your right I do believe most of the GEM players and mYi players would play on EU, this is probably why the EU scene seems to be a lot more competative than the NA scene.
I think the Koreans based in NA would just rather play on Korea server with higher ping, or so I gathered.
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On December 22 2015 23:05 Ve5pa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 23:00 Clonester wrote:On December 22 2015 22:52 Ve5pa wrote:On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore Haha, this made me laugh xD But those tweets from the full of salt North Americans didn't, really sad to see that. Backhanded compliment from iNcontrol as well. IMO Blizzard should give the fans what they want, and clearly many people want to see Koreans at foreign events. Half of the issue a lot of pro's seem to have is the Koreans that have the right to play like Polt don't play on their local ladders and therefore don't contribute to that community getting better. I know total Biscuit had some ideas about this he went over in a soundcloud piece. We acutally had Patience, Golden, HyuN, MC, First, Yoda, Jjakji, Stardust, Sacsri and ForGG playing all day on the Europen ladder. We kicked their asses back to korea. Not to mention, that Fantasy and True were ready to move over. Even Rain. And the Invasion Esports Koreans. We shut the door right in their face. Yeah it seems mainly an NA issue to be honest from what I hear. Your right I do believe most of the GEM players and mYi players would play on EU, this is probably why the EU scene seems to be a lot more competative than the NA scene. I think the Koreans based in NA would just rather play on Korea server with higher ping, or so I gathered.
Yeah, I agree. Unless there is a real incentive in playing local ladder, Koreans (I mean the majority or just the currently best ones) will never willingly play anywhere else than in their own region. I'm not even sure if money would fix that, as TB's solution proposed.
And to counter an argument that foreigners playing with foreigners will hurt the overall player-base skill-wise, wouldn't the situation where Koreans play foreigners hurt Korean skill level? Wouldn't the "pure" skill got worse if they weren't forced to compete that hard, while they would be the best in the region?
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On another note what is Blizzards stance on foreigners going to practice in Korea, am I right in understanding that under the new system someone like Harstem who has just been to Korea to practice would not be able to attend EU events untill he had been back living in EU for at least a month? This seems really strange and many foreigners go to Korea to practice but then barring them from events in EU when they get back until they had resided in EU for at least a month would surely negate much of the practice.
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On December 22 2015 23:10 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 23:05 Ve5pa wrote:On December 22 2015 23:00 Clonester wrote:On December 22 2015 22:52 Ve5pa wrote:On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore Haha, this made me laugh xD But those tweets from the full of salt North Americans didn't, really sad to see that. Backhanded compliment from iNcontrol as well. IMO Blizzard should give the fans what they want, and clearly many people want to see Koreans at foreign events. Half of the issue a lot of pro's seem to have is the Koreans that have the right to play like Polt don't play on their local ladders and therefore don't contribute to that community getting better. I know total Biscuit had some ideas about this he went over in a soundcloud piece. We acutally had Patience, Golden, HyuN, MC, First, Yoda, Jjakji, Stardust, Sacsri and ForGG playing all day on the Europen ladder. We kicked their asses back to korea. Not to mention, that Fantasy and True were ready to move over. Even Rain. And the Invasion Esports Koreans. We shut the door right in their face. Yeah it seems mainly an NA issue to be honest from what I hear. Your right I do believe most of the GEM players and mYi players would play on EU, this is probably why the EU scene seems to be a lot more competative than the NA scene. I think the Koreans based in NA would just rather play on Korea server with higher ping, or so I gathered. Yeah, I agree. Unless there is a real incentive in playing local ladder, Koreans will never willingly play anywhere else than in their own region. I'm not even sure if money would fix that, as TB's solution proposed. They should just offer WCS points to the top ladder player like they do in Hearthstone. Make it so that Koreans have incentive to get high rankings on whatever ladder they can. Maybe even offer double the points if they got high ranking on multiple ladders simultaneously.
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On December 22 2015 22:49 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:44 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 22:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 22 2015 22:35 AWalker9 wrote:On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 19:56 Diabolique wrote:
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You know, you are our hero. You brought us the amazing matches against the two protosses on IEM last year. These were the matches, we were looking forward to the whole year. Not to GSL, SSL ... not to WCS. And now, it is gone. There will be no opportunities to repeat it. At least, I hope, you will show good games in the RO16 group at BlizzCon. Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined. It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything. Copied from Diaboliques list: 1. IEM Taipei - herO, HyuN, Polt, Rain, Classic, Life, Soulkey, PartinG, Maru, TRUE, Hydra
2. IEM WC - 16 top Koreans
3. DH Tours - Rain, PartinG, MC, FanTaSy, GuMiho, MMA, TRUE, Hydra, HyuN
4. HSC XI - PartinG, Rain, GuMiho, HyuN
5. DH Valencia - Pigbaby, Terminator, HerO, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TaeJa, TRUE, HyuN, Leenock, Curious, Symbol
6. IEM Shenzhen - Losira, TY, SuperNova, Classic, Rain, YongHwa, herO, PartinG
7. IEM gamescom - soO, MMA, INnoVation, FanTaSy
8. MSI - INnoVation, Hydra, PartinG, HyuN, sOs, Solar, Jaedong, viOLet, Polt
9. DH Stockholm - HerO, Hurricane, sOs, Rain, FanTaSy, TRUE, Jaedong, Curious, Leenock, HyuN, Solar, Dark Hurricane pretty much the only small name on the list. Sorry. Soulkey, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TRUE, Pigbaby, Terminator, TaeJa, Leenock, Symbol, Losira, SuperNova, YongHwa, Hurricane ... Learn to count! :-) These are the names, who do not have much chance to make it far in the 2 seasons of GSL / SSL. And can't compete anywhere else. Except for the one cup. OK are only those, who play Proleague.
So giving money to not top tier players is good for the sceene? I might be having a dejavu, but i think i have heard of a system that tries to do exactly that.
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On December 22 2015 23:05 Ve5pa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 23:00 Clonester wrote:On December 22 2015 22:52 Ve5pa wrote:On December 22 2015 17:28 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I was gonna go but now with no koreans i don't care anymore Haha, this made me laugh xD But those tweets from the full of salt North Americans didn't, really sad to see that. Backhanded compliment from iNcontrol as well. IMO Blizzard should give the fans what they want, and clearly many people want to see Koreans at foreign events. Half of the issue a lot of pro's seem to have is the Koreans that have the right to play like Polt don't play on their local ladders and therefore don't contribute to that community getting better. I know total Biscuit had some ideas about this he went over in a soundcloud piece. We acutally had Patience, Golden, HyuN, MC, First, Yoda, Jjakji, Stardust, Sacsri and ForGG playing all day on the Europen ladder. We kicked their asses back to korea. Not to mention, that Fantasy and True were ready to move over. Even Rain. And the Invasion Esports Koreans. We shut the door right in their face. Yeah it seems mainly an NA issue to be honest from what I hear. Your right I do believe most of the GEM players and mYi players would play on EU, this is probably why the EU scene seems to be a lot more competative than the NA scene. I think the Koreans based in NA would just rather play on Korea server with higher ping, or so I gathered.
The NA Koreans werent even in NA. There was just no reason. WCS NA was played on NA server, but you could connect from Kr with decent ping to them. So they played Qualifier, Challanger and Ro32 from Kr and just took a flight for Ro16 and onowards. They never had a reason to actually go to NA. And when they went to NA, like Polt or later Hydra 2015, they connected to the Kr server and played there. (Something, that alot of NA foreigners could do too).
In WCS EU, you had a harsh time playing qualifier, challanger and Ro32, because the ping from Kr to EU is just way to high (if you arent extremly lucky). Thats why EU players cant play on Kr. So most of the players, who wanted to play in WCS EU, moved over. Also EU had the infrastructure and teams/orgs, who payed these players, gave them a teamhouse and thus a home. A.I. with Patience and Golden, mYi with Sacsri, Jjakji and Stardust, GEM with HyuN (who lived in Germany but played WCS AM), MC, First and Yoda as also Millenium with ForGG (tho he lived alone). The only player in 2014, who didnt live in EU but played in the league, was San. And 2015, with the 2014 system, True, Fantasy and some of the Invasion esports guys would have moved to EU. As maybe also Rain (but maybe not).
From EU perspective, I liked WCS 2014 the most. Yeah, Koreans didnt have 2 star Leagues, but they did not need em, GSL gave more money but also Koreans could leave korea and move to EU, where they only played on EU server. NA was fucked, because the Koreans neither had to move to NA nor to play on that server once they had a NA master account. But this was a NA problem. Togeather with giving Challanger and Ro32 more money, I think 2015 could have been that year for the EU scene. Instead we lost all koreans on our ladder.
Just forgot, MMA was acutally also living in Germany 2014, at least for months.
When you say, Koreans will lose their skill by playing EU or NA ladder, thats only true when you got only one or 2 there. But we had over 10 Koreans on EU ladder, that should be enough to maintain the skill of the koreans and give the Foreigners a daily based competition with the Koreans and improve them.
And the koreans didnt lose that much skill. MMA looked strong in GSL 2015, Patience slaughtered his way through the korean qualifier of IEM Kato 2015. HyuN made it into SSL and GSL. There were enough koreans in Europe to maintain there skill while giving foreigners a daily competion.
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On December 22 2015 22:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 22:49 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 22:44 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 22:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 22 2015 22:35 AWalker9 wrote:On December 22 2015 22:13 p4ch1n0 wrote:On December 22 2015 20:57 Diabolique wrote:On December 22 2015 20:42 aQuaSC wrote:On December 22 2015 20:13 WrathSCII wrote:On December 22 2015 20:05 aQuaSC wrote:
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Wow it's your first post that I see when you don't shit on a foreigner lol Snute is kinda special. Ah, I understand. Sorry Diabolique if you felt insulted. I just couldn't help but see that you "shit" on foreigners stating that foreigner scene is irrelevant at all and only Korea (along with those that don't hold achievements) with foreigners who achieved something significant during last five years are the people that community should focus on. And only these are important to you. I can understand that obviously, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a big football fan and Champions League was resized all of a sudden to hold less champion-caliber teams for few that don't always qualify because of the barrier they need to break. And again - to me the worst thing about this system is the fact that it was introduced too late, after Koreans were let all over the world for the money to grab therefore extremely shrinking foreign scene. I said in other thread, that with the last systems to really break out in a non-WCS tournament to gain visibility you needed to be very lucky or incredibly good out of nothing - not having access to practice with Koreans on regular basis and be able to beat few of the KeSPA guys. Basically perform a miracle. But I am not shitting on any foreigners. Maybe Desrow, maybe Mana when they started to celebrate the new system. Snute is a good guy, I never saw any tweet "celebrating" the new system from him. And his comment was awesome, saying, how he would be happy to have the opportunity to still compete with the Koreans somewhere. I am even not saying that foreigners are bad. I am even not the kind of guy, who would just follow the highest level of SC2 only. Without the casters, I would be unable to recognize it. I even do not like that much GSL and SSL, in fact, I want to watch them only when my favorite player, sOs is playing. And with this new system, there is a big probability, he will not be playing any of them (= he will not qualify). I am angry, because this is not justice! This is injustice! Banning the best players from ALL international tournaments, reducing their own local events, this is significantly reducing their life options. How can people exist, who support this? This huge injustice! They could have created a new WCS circuit, they could have stolen DreamHack, it was anyway 99% foreigners and a few B-class Koreans always ... But cancelling it all? That is bad. OK, maybe, at the end, somebody will organize ONE INTERNATIONAL EVENT. So the Koreans will have this one event and BlizzCon. Were I a Korean pro, I would retire. Were I a young Korean, trying to become a pro, I would stop. Because the market is now too small for so many good players. This is fucking bad! Damaging the Korean scene is the way, they want to bring Koreans and foreigners closer. Yes i'm sad that we won't see koreans play at foreign tournaments. But it's not like these top koreans who went to foreign tournaments will starve to death without the money. They make a good living regardles. Also gsl rewards 100k$ more and Blizzcon 250k more than 2015. That is more money than the prizepool of dh and iem combined. It's really bad for B-tier and up and coming Koreans though as there's less opportunities to earn money and get noticed and earn anything. Copied from Diaboliques list: 1. IEM Taipei - herO, HyuN, Polt, Rain, Classic, Life, Soulkey, PartinG, Maru, TRUE, Hydra
2. IEM WC - 16 top Koreans
3. DH Tours - Rain, PartinG, MC, FanTaSy, GuMiho, MMA, TRUE, Hydra, HyuN
4. HSC XI - PartinG, Rain, GuMiho, HyuN
5. DH Valencia - Pigbaby, Terminator, HerO, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TaeJa, TRUE, HyuN, Leenock, Curious, Symbol
6. IEM Shenzhen - Losira, TY, SuperNova, Classic, Rain, YongHwa, herO, PartinG
7. IEM gamescom - soO, MMA, INnoVation, FanTaSy
8. MSI - INnoVation, Hydra, PartinG, HyuN, sOs, Solar, Jaedong, viOLet, Polt
9. DH Stockholm - HerO, Hurricane, sOs, Rain, FanTaSy, TRUE, Jaedong, Curious, Leenock, HyuN, Solar, Dark Hurricane pretty much the only small name on the list. Sorry. Soulkey, FanTaSy, GuMiho, TRUE, Pigbaby, Terminator, TaeJa, Leenock, Symbol, Losira, SuperNova, YongHwa, Hurricane ... Learn to count! :-) These are the names, who do not have much chance to make it far in the 2 seasons of GSL / SSL. And can't compete anywhere else. Except for the one cup. OK are only those, who play Proleague. Soulkey is a GSL champion. He can always do well.
He can, of course he can. And sOs is a triple world champion. And I am afraid, he will not do well with 4 possibilities in a year, where he already lost one.
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