EPTWCS Winter Championship to be held at IEM Katowice - Page 4
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
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Hoofit
United Kingdom128 Posts
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Swisslink
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On December 19 2015 02:55 Diabolique wrote: Nice, I already started to use the "WCS Welfare" circuit yesterday and will not do otherwise. The sad thing is that I am living quite close to Poland and I was planning to go to the IEM World championship this year to see the best SC2. OK, I will save the money. I am just sad that as there are some good Polish players, I am sure, the Polish crowd will support even this event, so IEM will not see, how they destroyed the viewership. So this means, there will not be any WCS Global Events, right? The worst nightmare is real. Thank you Blizzard, thank you IEM. We are lucky to have proleague, but I am sad, as watching Koreans in Korea playing Koreans is not exactly what I liked. I liked big offline events in the west with western production, interviews, casters ... Where best Koreans were playing the best Koreans, eventually foreign players, This was exactly what IEM was offering. Thank you Snute for your performance at IEM last year. But there will be no more reasonable IEM. Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you IEM. Fuck you Apollo and other "supporters". Fuck you all foreign players! Please, Dennis, find some new German sponsors and change Homestory cup's prize pool to 50k, to 75k, and do Korean qualifiers with lots of spots and cover at least partially their travel costs. I promise you, you will become the most watched event of the year 2016! And thank you very much, Team Liquid Writers, Moderators, Administrators, for not playing this artificial celebration wave, explaining to the world, how great this new system is. I understand, it is not easy not to celebrate the hand, that also feeds you. Thank you for being honest. Long live Team Liquid! Pretty much this. I have never wished for a IEM to fail, but the less viewers the IEM WC's gonna have, the better. Blizzard really fucked up as badly as they could. I'm so happy, Take.tv refused to be part of this. If this is what we'll get 2016, HSC is the only tournament remainig for me to watch. Korean times are normally hard to catch and the rest... Well... Whatever. | ||
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Wrath
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This is just pure retarded format but whatever happens, the twitch views won't get any less... | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12060 Posts
If even Katowice isn't one, we're not on the right path. Still no info so it's hard to say decisive things, but this doesn't look very good. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 19 2015 05:18 Nebuchad wrote: Let's be clear, the 2016 format is only good if there are enough WCS Global events. If even Katowice isn't one, we're not on the right path. Still no info so it's hard to say decisive things, but this doesn't look very good. Yep i agree completely. TB made a good point, the tournament organizers helped to make this system, they (probably) actually want foreigners only. Why do a global event then? :/ We should give the system (and the foreigners) a chance though. Maybe it will be interesting in the end. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Silvana
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On December 19 2015 05:29 Ansibled wrote: I hope that there will be an IEM global event next year, even if Katowice isn't one. Katowice is IEM World Championship. It's where they used to invite all last season champions and crown the WC. Now they downgraded it to Taipei and use Katowice to host a region locked tournament (Winter). So unless I understood something wrong I think this as a clear sign they don't have interest in having Koreans in their tournaments, hence I don't expect them to give us any other Global event besides Taipei. | ||
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Topin
Peru10045 Posts
On December 19 2015 05:53 Silvana wrote: Katowice is IEM World Championship. It's where they used to invite all last season champions and crown the WC. Now they downgraded it to Taipei and use Katowice to host a region locked tournament (Winter). So unless I understood something wrong I think this as a clear sign they don't have interest in having Koreans in their tournaments, hence I don't expect them to give us any other Global event besides Taipei. you met herO? im so jelly right now xD i believe Blizz make a Global event happen no matter what, we just have to wait... soon tm | ||
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[16thSq] Kuro
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I was at every IEM Katowice so far. I still remember as I watched the players walk on stage during opening ceremony and I thought "oh my god, they are real, they are standing right there". On IEM WC 2014 I saw herO play for the first time (I missed his games on previous events unfortunately), I was truly amazed by his playstyle and then by all the energy he brought to the audience. Then in 2015 the highlights of the event for me were the little things like high fiving Zest after he won the WC. I follow the Korean events as close as I can, I started exactly because I met all those great players at IEMs. But it's rather unlikely that I will ever be able to travel there, so IEM was always something I was waiting for, to finally see them live, maybe exchange a few words if I'm lucky. Of course I was happy to talk to Snute and I did have fun at WCS S3 Finals but now half of it is gone. I was already saving money for the premium ticket and looking out for volunteer application but now... I will probably come to hang out with friends but... I think I'd prefer if they just reverted IEM Katowice back to regular Open Bracket. Well, let's hope that there are still some fully international events in central/east Europe planned... | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18342 Posts
On December 19 2015 03:22 WrathSCII wrote: As much as I hate this, we all know that IEM Grand Finals won't be affected at all because on twitch at least, ESL shows in order and alert all channels to the current running finals. For example, this years finals, at the end of the CS:GO, the ESL channel gave a heads up that the SC2 final will be streamed and suddenly we get from 50K views to 100K+ views on twitch. This is just pure retarded format but whatever happens, the twitch views won't get any less... you just told us why they changed the format Viewer numbers were abysmal for IEM WC, why should they stick with the same format? | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 19 2015 07:35 sharkie wrote: you just told us why they changed the format Viewer numbers were abysmal for IEM WC, why should they stick with the same format? Not sure where exactly I said the reason why the view count is low... I'm not saying they should stick with the old system. In fact, I completely understand the reason they chose IEM WC to be WCS Winter. It is because WCS Winter is the first major WCS Circuit ever and they need the biggest momentum for it. Do I agree with them on this? Absolutely not! IEM system is doing multiple events around the world until the IEM WC at Katowice, where the winners in each event come and face each other to determine the best. What happened this year is that we are grouping those players and let them play each other in the basement for some coins and allow lesser players to compete at the world championship of IEM. I don't know if you agree with this or not. But for me, this sounds like a sick joke and more of an insult to those who trained their asses and when they reached the world championship, they are getting the middle finger and sent to the basement for a laughable prize pool I'm not against growing the foreign scene. But that does not mean you can go grow it by fucking over the Korean one. We got less seasons for GSL / SSL. Even SSL is becoming a KeSPA cup with higher prize pool. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
There are pros and cons to having Korean leagues on their own and essentially foreigner leagues on their own and then the finals include both. This will be a good tournament. Chill. I honestly don't like that they are separating the two because i believe that to become the best you need to have opportunities to play the best but maybe this will encourage teams to train against eachother so foreigners can get more practice vs koreans, who knows. It could work out well, just give it a chance. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
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NyxNax
United States227 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote: $150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing? $150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship. | ||
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