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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 16:04 GMT
#41
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 18 2015 16:04 GMT
#42
On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Basically from what I take from it the IEM WC is now a "Invitational" at IEM Taipei.
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 16:07 GMT
#43
On December 19 2015 00:48 barbaTossa wrote:
Show nested quote +
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.

If they'd really be convinced of that they should not be representative casters of Professional starcraft.

Maybe we could introduce some new terminology to Starcraft.
Professional Starcraft -> Highest level, includes Koreans
Amateur Starcraft -> High Drama Content, No Koreans allowed!!!
WCS 2016 -> WCS Welfare
World Championship Series -> WCS Slaughterhouse

Just to avoid confusion
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 18 2015 16:12 GMT
#44
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 18 2015 16:13 GMT
#45
...

Fuck...

...
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 18 2015 16:14 GMT
#46
On December 19 2015 01:12 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.


No, you have to give that spot to the foreigner that provided the best Twitter drama over the year
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 18 2015 16:14 GMT
#47
On December 18 2015 23:10 messioso wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499071-iem-s10-world-championship-is-not-sc2#18




"Chill"... For real?!

Having no StarCraft at all is better than this joke...
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy831 Posts
December 18 2015 16:16 GMT
#48
On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Guess there will be Polt, viOLet, Hydra and JaeDong (maybe StarDust?)
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55583 Posts
December 18 2015 16:17 GMT
#49
On December 19 2015 01:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Basically from what I take from it the IEM WC is now a "Invitational" at IEM Taipei.

With half the players and one fifth the prize money.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 18 2015 16:17 GMT
#50
On December 19 2015 01:14 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:12 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.


No, you have to give that spot to the foreigner that provided the best Twitter drama over the year


What if best drama is made by best foreign player? Alot of top foreigner have been know for exessive drama and problematic personality. Maybe it is a law? Foreigners can only be on top, if they have challenging personality.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 18 2015 16:22 GMT
#51
On December 19 2015 01:17 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Basically from what I take from it the IEM WC is now a "Invitational" at IEM Taipei.

With half the players and one fifth the prize money.


I hope Koreans will Boycott this. It is really an unacceptable joke
Scythe.
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland261 Posts
December 18 2015 16:37 GMT
#52
Viewership last year was very low. They were pressured to try something different or get rid of SC2 completely.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 16:55:04
December 18 2015 16:47 GMT
#53
So, basically Polt and Hydra are gonna get really fucking rich this year. The foreigner still won't win jackshit because the Koreans with visa still crush them under normal circumstances and the Korean scene is pretty much fucked. Europe/NA gets charity events with lots of money on the line for Polt/Hydra and Korea gets 4 seasons for 32 players.

All this to have a Blizzcon tournament, where ~8 players (maybe 6, considering Polt/Hydra are going to be there as foreigners) will get crushed in the first round, without winning a map.

Sorry, I really hate these changes. And I really doubt, it's gonna help the foreign scene. And Blizzcon 2016 is probably gonna be the worst ever.

The changes are mainly good for people like Stephano etc. They don't need to be professionals anymore in order to gain some money. All the strong players are gone anyway
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 18 2015 17:00 GMT
#54
Can someone from IEM explain what the server qualifier is?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 18 2015 17:36 GMT
#55
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

I also want you to be a billionaire :-) Great salty idea :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
SmykuToronto
Profile Joined October 2014
Poland269 Posts
December 18 2015 17:50 GMT
#56
On December 19 2015 01:14 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:12 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.


No, you have to give that spot to the foreigner that provided the best Twitter drama over the year


I don't think Nani would accept a spot for tourney held in Poland though.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 18:02:47
December 18 2015 17:55 GMT
#57
On December 19 2015 01:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 00:48 barbaTossa wrote:
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.

If they'd really be convinced of that they should not be representative casters of Professional starcraft.

Maybe we could introduce some new terminology to Starcraft.
Professional Starcraft -> Highest level, includes Koreans
Amateur Starcraft -> High Drama Content, No Koreans allowed!!!
WCS 2016 -> WCS Welfare
World Championship Series -> WCS Slaughterhouse

Just to avoid confusion

Nice, I already started to use the "WCS Welfare" circuit yesterday and will not do otherwise.

The sad thing is that I am living quite close to Poland and I was planning to go to the IEM World championship this year to see the best SC2. OK, I will save the money. I am just sad that as there are some good Polish players, I am sure, the Polish crowd will support even this event, so IEM will not see, how they destroyed the viewership.

So this means, there will not be any WCS Global Events, right? The worst nightmare is real. Thank you Blizzard, thank you IEM. We are lucky to have proleague, but I am sad, as watching Koreans in Korea playing Koreans is not exactly what I liked. I liked big offline events in the west with western production, interviews, casters ... Where best Koreans were playing the best Koreans, eventually foreign players, This was exactly what IEM was offering. Thank you Snute for your performance at IEM last year. But there will be no more reasonable IEM.

Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you IEM. Fuck you Apollo and other "supporters". Fuck you all foreign players!

Please, Dennis, find some new German sponsors and change Homestory cup's prize pool to 50k, to 75k, and do Korean qualifiers with lots of spots and cover at least partially their travel costs. I promise you, you will become the most watched event of the year 2016!

And thank you very much, Team Liquid Writers, Moderators, Administrators, for not playing this artificial celebration wave, explaining to the world, how great this new system is. I understand, it is not easy not to celebrate the hand, that also feeds you. Thank you for being honest. Long live Team Liquid!

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achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
December 18 2015 17:57 GMT
#58
Well, we will see whether this will increase or decrease viewership. If it does end up dramatically decreasing, I wonder what IEM and DH will do next.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
December 18 2015 18:02 GMT
#59
This might be the first weekend tournament in a long time that I'm actively not going to watch. I just can't support this.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 18 2015 18:03 GMT
#60
On December 19 2015 02:55 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:48 barbaTossa wrote:
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.

If they'd really be convinced of that they should not be representative casters of Professional starcraft.

Maybe we could introduce some new terminology to Starcraft.
Professional Starcraft -> Highest level, includes Koreans
Amateur Starcraft -> High Drama Content, No Koreans allowed!!!
WCS 2016 -> WCS Welfare
World Championship Series -> WCS Slaughterhouse

Just to avoid confusion

Nice, I already started to use the "WCS Welfare" circuit yesterday and will not do otherwise.

The sad thing is that I am living quite close to Poland and I was planning to go to the IEM World championship this year to see the best SC2. OK, I will save the money. I am just sad that as there are some good Polish players, I am sure, the Polish crowd will support even this event, so IEM will not see, how they destroyed the viewership.

So this means, there will not be any WCS Global Events, right? The worst nightmare is real. Thank you Blizzard, thank you IEM. We are lucky to have proleague, but I am sad, as watching Koreans in Korea playing Koreans is not exactly what I liked. I liked big offline events in the west with western production, interviews, casters ... Where best Koreans were playing the best Koreans, eventually foreign players, This was exactly what IEM was offering. Thank you Snute for your performance at IEM last year. But there will be no more reasonable IEM.

Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you IEM. Fuck you Apollo and other "supporters". Fuck you all foreign players!

Please, Dennis, find some new German sponsors and change Homestory cup's prize pool to 50k, to 75k, and do Korean qualifiers with lots of spots and cover at least partially their travel costs. I promise you, you will become the most watched event of the year 2016!


If there are no global events it really, really sucks for the fans. Goodbye chances to see your fav KR player unless he is among the best 8 and you can afford going to Blizzcon (lol).

It doesn't hurt me because there were barely any events near my area (oh now I appreciate even more that I got to meet herO at Sao Paulo!!), but I understand your frustration.
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