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On December 21 2015 14:29 WrathSCII wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote:
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing? $150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship.
You could at least be more reasonable in the hate you are spilling. I'm trying to understand your view, but it gets harder and harder with every your post to take you serious. You are a casual. You are playing in the basement. Anyway, any invitational shouldn't have higher prize pool than any kind of open tournament.
It would be nicer to discuss with you if you weren't so blind in your hate.
EDIT: I have a great idea: what would you say to a tournament system, where each player is invited (screw you, casuals), has an amount of money on him equal to his estimated skill level, and when a player enters a tournament his participation raises the prize pool accordingly? Is that your paradise?
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Apparently I'm more happy with this than most people here. I really disliked Katowice SC events because they were >90% Korean players and I couldn't support any local heroes. Now I can.
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On December 21 2015 15:28 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 14:29 WrathSCII wrote:On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote:
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing? $150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship. You could at least be more reasonable in the hate you are spilling. I'm trying to understand your view, but it gets harder and harder with every your post to take you serious. You are a casual. You are playing in the basement. Anyway, any invitational shouldn't have higher prize pool than any kind of open tournament. It would be nicer to discuss with you if you weren't so blind in your hate. EDIT: I have a great idea: what would you say to a tournament system, where each player is invited (screw you, casuals), has an amount of money on him equal to his estimated skill level, and when a player enters a tournament his participation raises the prize pool accordingly? Is that your paradise?
I'm going to explain my point of view again:
I have no problem with fostering the foreign environment and helping it grow but that MUST NOT be at the cost of the Korean scene.
Comparing the current foreign scene and the Korean scene is like comparing pros and casuals. So it is quite normal to call them with that name when a comparison is going on
The analogy and my "blind hate" when it comes to the IEM WC is because those who won and participated in the previous IEM events should be playing in the WC. But now those who played in the previous IEM will be playing in Taipei with below half of the views they deserve. The Taipei event came as compensation after screwing them because they are Koreans while making the WC tournament with its prestige for those who did not compete.
The "basement" analogy came from comparing the WC event in Katowice to Taipei event that came at the last minute just to compensate for banning the Koreans.
The Korean scene got banned from IEM / DH and got less seasons for both GSL and SSL, how do we Compensate for this? I'm still waiting. So far, nothing. No compensation at all! If you try to give them other tournaments to maintain the number of tournaments they play I would be satisfied even if you take DH / IEM out of it.
Saying that they already have more than enough events just like Apollo said is just plain stupid. Treating them like this because they are better than your average Joe is just disrespectful act.
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On December 21 2015 16:11 WrathSCII wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 15:28 aQuaSC wrote:On December 21 2015 14:29 WrathSCII wrote:On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote:
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing? $150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship. You could at least be more reasonable in the hate you are spilling. I'm trying to understand your view, but it gets harder and harder with every your post to take you serious. You are a casual. You are playing in the basement. Anyway, any invitational shouldn't have higher prize pool than any kind of open tournament. It would be nicer to discuss with you if you weren't so blind in your hate. EDIT: I have a great idea: what would you say to a tournament system, where each player is invited (screw you, casuals), has an amount of money on him equal to his estimated skill level, and when a player enters a tournament his participation raises the prize pool accordingly? Is that your paradise? I'm going to explain my point of view again: I have no problem with fostering the foreign environment and helping it grow but that MUST NOT be at the cost of the Korean scene. Comparing the current foreign scene and the Korean scene is like comparing pros and casuals. So it is quite normal to call them with that name when a comparison is going on The analogy and my "blind hate" when it comes to the IEM WC is because those who won and participated in the previous IEM events should be playing in the WC. But now those who played in the previous IEM will be playing in Taipei with below half of the views they deserve. The Taipei event came as compensation after screwing them because they are Koreans while making the WC tournament with its prestige for those who did not compete. The "basement" analogy came from comparing the WC event in Katowice to Taipei event that came at the last minute just to compensate for banning the Koreans. The Korean scene got banned from IEM / DH and got less seasons for both GSL and SSL, how do we Compensate for this? I'm still waiting. So far, nothing. No compensation at all! If you try to give them other tournaments to maintain the number of tournaments they play I would be satisfied even if you take DH / IEM out of it. Saying that they already have more than enough events just like Apollo said is just plain stupid. Treating them like this because they are better than your average Joe is just disrespectful act.
I said in another thread, that the main problem of this system is the fact that it came after previous decisions that let the arguable "money-grab" KeSPA trips ruin local scenes in favor of Korean. I wish it never happened, the transition should not happen that quick, the interest in game went down (I personally know people leaving SC2 for another game because of Koreans - try to imagine for a second that people can and do watch anything for more than extremely high-level) and it feels like a poor replacement for previous systems. Now I perfectly understand disappointment about stopping Korean dominance choking potential foreigner talent, who - unlike in Korea - have to be better and beat more than few of them in a tournament environment to break out. There is no team support that Korea has.
I know that blocking most of the Koreans (still, not all of them) out of international tournaments is disappointing. I still believe that it's better to block them than to let the game slowly die of losing interest for viewers and players altogether. You know, there are other countries than Korea that have players willing to play the game for a living and deserve support to gain visibility and break out.
We haven't heard how the whole year is going to be anyway. I'd wait for information on how WCS Global Events are going to look like, and by the way, we don't know for sure if it was KeSPA's or Blizzard's decision to simplify SSL and take out one season of GSL/SSL out of the calendar. In my opinion it's naive and too early to think, that ESL is going to stop organizing events that include Korean presence and take Taipei invitational as a "farewell gift" to the most competitive environment world has to offer. I'd wait before bashing foreigners and treat them like "unworthy" of playing this game.
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Not gonna make any decisions about the 2016 system, but I almost never watch tournaments without Koreans, and like many here, am not going to watch the foreigner only portion of this either, not as a boycott or protest, but because it's not an interesting use of my time.
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