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WCS Winter Championship to be held at IEM Katowice

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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 14:03:15
December 18 2015 14:01 GMT
#1
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55466 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 14:12:04
December 18 2015 14:04 GMT
#2
The link from their tweet lead me to some LoL stream at first -.-

Also
StarCraft II at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei

Before the Katowice tournament, a $25,000 8 player invitational will take place at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei at Taipei Game Show where top Korean performers of the 10th Intel Extreme Masters season will compete along other legendary players.
So basically the IEM SC2 WC got moved and downgraded from how it used to be.
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messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
December 18 2015 14:10 GMT
#3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499071-iem-s10-world-championship-is-not-sc2#18

Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 14:23:39
December 18 2015 14:11 GMT
#4
Wow this kills my hopes of katowice being a global event and means the circuit championship is not even a standalone event. I wonder in which corner they will have sc fans next to hordes of cs and lol fans. This sucks : (. Will there even be any global events?

The Koreans that dreamt of playing in katowice and thought they qualified must be sad now.

Edit: seriously I can't believe this, this is the first time i'm actually ashamed of starcraft. This is no world championship.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 18 2015 14:12 GMT
#5
I feel like more qualifiers spots and less ladder spots would have been better. But we'll see.
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
December 18 2015 14:12 GMT
#6
On December 18 2015 23:04 Elentos wrote:
The link from their tweet lead me to some LoL stream at first -.-

Also
Show nested quote +
StarCraft II at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei

Before the Katowice tournament, a $25,000 8 player invitational will take place at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei at Taipei Game Show where top Korean performers of the 10th Intel Extreme Masters season will compete along other legendary players.
So basically the IEM WC got moved and downgraded.


That's pretty crap, I assume it's only going to be Koreans taking part if not it'd be pretty sad.
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 14:14:04
December 18 2015 14:13 GMT
#7
http://en.intelextrememasters.com/news/the-first-wcs-winter-championship-to-take-place-at-intel-extreme-masters-katowice/

Intel Extreme Masters Katowice will see 32 StarCraft II players battle it out for US$150,000 in the WCS Winter Championship.

Intel Extreme Masters returns to Katowice, Poland in early March next year for the annual World Championship. The Spodek arena will once again see thousands of fans witness top-notch CS:GO and League of Legends played by some of the world's best teams. In addition to this, we are thrilled to announce that joining the game lineup will be StarCraft II in the form of the first ever WCS Winter Championship!

Intel Extreme Masters Katowice will be the first WCS Circuit Championship, during which a total of 32 players will battle it out for a share of the US$150,00 prize pool. The winner will receive a WCS Global Playoffs seed at BlizzCon and 10,000 WCS points, which will dictate seeding and global rank.

Slot distribution

The slots for the WCS Winter Championship will be distributed as follows:

Regional challenger (8 slots)

Two for Europe, Africa and the Middle East
Two for North America (USA and Canada)
One for Latin America
One for China
One for Oceania, Southeast Asia and Japan
One for Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau

Server qualifiers (14 slots)

Eight for Europe
Six for America

National qualifiers

Citizens from hosting nation eligible

WCS standings invites (8 slots)

2015 WCS standings will be used for Winter Championship

In order to compete in the WCS Circuit Championship, players must be citizens or residents of one of the eligible regions listed above.

Format

The format of the WCS Winter Championship will be a single elimination bracket with best-of-five matchups except for the grand final, which will be a best of seven.

StarCraft II at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei

Before the Katowice tournament, a $25,000 8 player invitational will take place at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei at Taipei Game Show where top Korean performers of the 10th Intel Extreme Masters season will compete along other legendary players. You can read more about the event over here.
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SmykuToronto
Profile Joined October 2014
Poland269 Posts
December 18 2015 14:15 GMT
#8
They told me to chill. This ain't a thing I'd chill about Gz to Gfinity for becoming most stacked tourney series in SC2.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 18 2015 14:18 GMT
#9
Hmm okay.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 18 2015 14:19 GMT
#10
So it's confirmed, Intel Extreme Masters Katowice with no Koreans. Expect DH to be the same.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55466 Posts
December 18 2015 14:21 GMT
#11
On December 18 2015 23:12 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 23:04 Elentos wrote:
The link from their tweet lead me to some LoL stream at first -.-

Also
StarCraft II at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei

Before the Katowice tournament, a $25,000 8 player invitational will take place at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei at Taipei Game Show where top Korean performers of the 10th Intel Extreme Masters season will compete along other legendary players.
So basically the IEM WC got moved and downgraded.


That's pretty crap, I assume it's only going to be Koreans taking part if not it'd be pretty sad.

Well it mentions "top Korean performers". The actual top 8 from season 10 coming would make for a pretty stacked bracket. Of 8 players. Although one of the actual top 8 retires before IEM
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 14:36:30
December 18 2015 14:30 GMT
#12
Nice. Last year I had to switch between CS:GO and SC II, that was annoying, couldnt catch all cool games.

This year the decision is easy, I can watch all CS:GO games.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 18 2015 14:30 GMT
#13
feels like the air is out of the balloon
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 18 2015 14:31 GMT
#14
Meh. This just is disappointing overall, not gonna lie
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 18 2015 14:58 GMT
#15
StarCraft II at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei

Before the Katowice tournament, a $25,000 8 player invitational will take place at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei at Taipei Game Show where top Korean performers of the 10th Intel Extreme Masters season will compete along other legendary players. You can read more about the event over here.


Well we got this.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10045 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 15:02:55
December 18 2015 14:59 GMT
#16
me not like this

edit:

so we will have a 8 korean man tournament and after a big foreign tournament?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 18 2015 15:00 GMT
#17
Nice, Katowice always has great croud support and hype. I'm sure they will deliver this time as well!
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 15:06:44
December 18 2015 15:05 GMT
#18
On December 18 2015 23:59 Topin wrote:
me not like this

edit:

so we will have a 8 korean man tournament and after a big foreign tournament?


The new IEM Finals will be played at IEM Taipeh, from 29th Jen to 2nd Feb. 8 invited players, 25k$ Prizepool
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 18 2015 15:12 GMT
#19
at the end of the day it's like a bit of a major like thing à la csgo
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Matte3D
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden26 Posts
December 18 2015 15:12 GMT
#20
Just so disappointed. Hoped for a better christmas present. :'(
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 15:12 GMT
#21
Lol are we going to save as much money as possible when we have our WCS Welfare events by putting it next to much bigger esports titles? What a joke.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
December 18 2015 15:15 GMT
#22
Yeah this seriously doesn't bode well. No Korean vs Foriegner action until the Global Bloodbath at blizzcon . Oh well though I'm sure I'll still tune in, I just wish it was different.
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 18 2015 15:15 GMT
#23
Great! Can't wait for SC2 to get shoved off to a side stage and half our viewers to be waiting for the LoL finals to start!
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
December 18 2015 15:18 GMT
#24
I don't understand what the problem is... the total amount of money increased from 100K to 150K + 25K and now we get sick regional qualifiers... who cares if its been renamed? Yes there likely won't be many Koreans there (only Polt, Violet, Hydra, and Jaedong) but those are the Koreans who most fans seem to think are the most entertaining anyway and the 25k event will still have Koreans in it too. Plus, if high level competition is really your concern then taking the top IEM point earners from a year of Heart of the Swarm competition and having them compete in a Legacy of the Void championship would be more than a bit silly.
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corydoras
Profile Joined November 2013
161 Posts
December 18 2015 15:18 GMT
#25
Well, at least the Polish fanatic audience will rock the building again.

I'm totally for the new WCS system. You might call it welfare, but without the prize money, it won't make sense at all to be a pro outside Korea. But no selfies with Zest this time: that sucks a bit
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 18 2015 15:22 GMT
#26
So obvious it was gonna be like this. And really sad.
Zest fanboy.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 18 2015 15:24 GMT
#27
On December 19 2015 00:18 corydoras wrote:
Well, at least the Polish fanatic audience will rock the building again.

I'm totally for the new WCS system. You might call it welfare, but without the prize money, it won't make sense at all to be a pro outside Korea. But no selfies with Zest this time: that sucks a bit


I'm fine with the wellfare but I expected that the circuit championships would get their own venue and would be standalone events. I was also looking forward to global events but if even katowice will not be one, it leaves me little hope.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 15:25 GMT
#28
On December 19 2015 00:18 corydoras wrote:
Well, at least the Polish fanatic audience will rock the building again.

I'm totally for the new WCS system. You might call it welfare, but without the prize money, it won't make sense at all to be a pro outside Korea. But no selfies with Zest this time: that sucks a bit

Or you know, they could commit like the Koreans do and earn their prize money instead of getting it on a silver platter.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10045 Posts
December 18 2015 15:27 GMT
#29
giving a ro16 blizzcon ticket for winning a tournament this early is kinda dumb imo
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55466 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 15:33:35
December 18 2015 15:31 GMT
#30
On December 19 2015 00:18 corydoras wrote:
but without the prize money, it won't make sense at all to be a pro outside Korea.

The prize money was already way in favor of foreign players. This year, if you failed WCS Challenger you got 2000$. If you failed Code A you got 361$. If you made top 4 in Code S, you got 3600$. If you got eliminated in the Ro32 in WCS you got 4500$.

Being a pro player in Korea isn't that easy, the money isn't that good unless you win something and if you're a B-teamer on a KeSPA team you're mostly there for dish-washing.
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barbaTossa
Profile Joined August 2012
23 Posts
December 18 2015 15:33 GMT
#31
On December 18 2015 23:15 SmykuToronto wrote:
They told me to chill. This ain't a thing I'd chill about Gz to Gfinity for becoming most stacked tourney series in SC2.


Yea, about that: Gfinity can not support a prize pool of at least 50k and will therefore not be a WCS Global event. That means it will award a total of 0 WCS points. Let's see if they are able to compete with all the money Blizzard is throwing at already larger organizations and paid trips for everyone. Oh and if Koreans are even willing to travel abroad to play a tournament of the difficulty just below GSL (because, let's face it, no foreigner wants to play in gfinity with the wcs changes) for a prize pool of 5000$ first place.

This seems already clear to everyone here but note that IEM Taipei is part of the already planned and scheduled (as IEM Asia) IEM Season X circle. It would happen either way. It is however NOT a WCS Global event since it also lacks the required price pool. It, too, will award 0 WCS points. The 'You can read more about the event over here.' leads directly to the CS:Go event and there is no informatin about Starcraft to be found. I guess it's clear what we have to expect for the next Season of IEM and from DreamHack in terms of WCS Global events.

I am simply staggered by the nonchalance pillars of the community (Apollo, messioso) say this will be fine when it's clearly not going to be and they know it.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 18 2015 15:34 GMT
#32
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.
Zest fanboy.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 15:36 GMT
#33
On December 19 2015 00:27 Topin wrote:
giving a ro16 blizzcon ticket for winning a tournament this early is kinda dumb imo

Nobody serious about a world CHAMPIONSHIP ticket is gonna give a shit about half the seats anyways, so I honestly couldn't care less.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 15:38 GMT
#34
On December 19 2015 00:33 barbaTossa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 23:15 SmykuToronto wrote:
They told me to chill. This ain't a thing I'd chill about Gz to Gfinity for becoming most stacked tourney series in SC2.


Yea, about that: Gfinity can not support a prize pool of at least 50k and will therefore not be a WCS Global event. That means it will award a total of 0 WCS points. Let's see if they are able to compete with all the money Blizzard is throwing at already larger organizations and paid trips for everyone. Oh and if Koreans are even willing to travel abroad to play a tournament of the difficulty just below GSL (because, let's face it, no foreigner wants to play in gfinity with the wcs changes) for a prize pool of 5000$ first place.

This seems already clear to everyone here but note that IEM Taipei is part of the already planned and scheduled (as IEM Asia) IEM Season X circle. It would happen either way. It is however NOT a WCS Global event since it also lacks the required price pool. It, too, will award 0 WCS points. The 'You can read more about the event over here.' leads directly to the CS:Go event and there is no informatin about Starcraft to be found. I guess it's clear what we have to expect for the next Season of IEM and from DreamHack in terms of WCS Global events.

I am simply staggered by the nonchalance pillars of the community (Apollo, messioso) say this will be fine when it's clearly not going to be and they know it.


They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 18 2015 15:41 GMT
#35
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.
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barbaTossa
Profile Joined August 2012
23 Posts
December 18 2015 15:48 GMT
#36
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 18 2015 15:54 GMT
#37
At least rename to "(not really)WCS" please.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 18 2015 15:58 GMT
#38
Well fuck IEM Katowice then. Hopefully the Olimoleague is on that weekend
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
December 18 2015 15:58 GMT
#39
Part of my passion just died I think... At least we have Taipei to look forward to.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 18 2015 16:00 GMT
#40
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 16:04 GMT
#41
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 18 2015 16:04 GMT
#42
On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Basically from what I take from it the IEM WC is now a "Invitational" at IEM Taipei.
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 16:07 GMT
#43
On December 19 2015 00:48 barbaTossa wrote:
Show nested quote +
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.

If they'd really be convinced of that they should not be representative casters of Professional starcraft.

Maybe we could introduce some new terminology to Starcraft.
Professional Starcraft -> Highest level, includes Koreans
Amateur Starcraft -> High Drama Content, No Koreans allowed!!!
WCS 2016 -> WCS Welfare
World Championship Series -> WCS Slaughterhouse

Just to avoid confusion
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 18 2015 16:12 GMT
#44
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 18 2015 16:13 GMT
#45
...

Fuck...

...
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 18 2015 16:14 GMT
#46
On December 19 2015 01:12 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.


No, you have to give that spot to the foreigner that provided the best Twitter drama over the year
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 18 2015 16:14 GMT
#47
On December 18 2015 23:10 messioso wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499071-iem-s10-world-championship-is-not-sc2#18




"Chill"... For real?!

Having no StarCraft at all is better than this joke...
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy830 Posts
December 18 2015 16:16 GMT
#48
On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Guess there will be Polt, viOLet, Hydra and JaeDong (maybe StarDust?)
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55466 Posts
December 18 2015 16:17 GMT
#49
On December 19 2015 01:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
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On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Basically from what I take from it the IEM WC is now a "Invitational" at IEM Taipei.

With half the players and one fifth the prize money.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 18 2015 16:17 GMT
#50
On December 19 2015 01:14 Silvana wrote:
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On December 19 2015 01:12 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.


No, you have to give that spot to the foreigner that provided the best Twitter drama over the year


What if best drama is made by best foreign player? Alot of top foreigner have been know for exessive drama and problematic personality. Maybe it is a law? Foreigners can only be on top, if they have challenging personality.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 18 2015 16:22 GMT
#51
On December 19 2015 01:17 Elentos wrote:
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On December 19 2015 01:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
On December 19 2015 01:00 Dodgin wrote:
I just want to confirm

This means no Korean players at IEM WC?

If so, I am so so disappointed and will not watch this.


Basically from what I take from it the IEM WC is now a "Invitational" at IEM Taipei.

With half the players and one fifth the prize money.


I hope Koreans will Boycott this. It is really an unacceptable joke
Scythe.
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland261 Posts
December 18 2015 16:37 GMT
#52
Viewership last year was very low. They were pressured to try something different or get rid of SC2 completely.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2950 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 16:55:04
December 18 2015 16:47 GMT
#53
So, basically Polt and Hydra are gonna get really fucking rich this year. The foreigner still won't win jackshit because the Koreans with visa still crush them under normal circumstances and the Korean scene is pretty much fucked. Europe/NA gets charity events with lots of money on the line for Polt/Hydra and Korea gets 4 seasons for 32 players.

All this to have a Blizzcon tournament, where ~8 players (maybe 6, considering Polt/Hydra are going to be there as foreigners) will get crushed in the first round, without winning a map.

Sorry, I really hate these changes. And I really doubt, it's gonna help the foreign scene. And Blizzcon 2016 is probably gonna be the worst ever.

The changes are mainly good for people like Stephano etc. They don't need to be professionals anymore in order to gain some money. All the strong players are gone anyway
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
December 18 2015 17:00 GMT
#54
Can someone from IEM explain what the server qualifier is?
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 18 2015 17:36 GMT
#55
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
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On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

I also want you to be a billionaire :-) Great salty idea :-)
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SmykuToronto
Profile Joined October 2014
Poland269 Posts
December 18 2015 17:50 GMT
#56
On December 19 2015 01:14 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:12 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 01:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:41 Clonester wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:34 sAsImre wrote:
Actually what we really need is non WCS event. The problem is that way too much money is thrown at the joke blizzcon and I doubt we'll see much of these tournaments.



I want to be a billionare...... i would just hold 250k$ Events in Europe without any WCS point and give 15 of 16 slots to korean qualifiers. Just because I am salty.

And offer the last one to Lilbow who's practicing WC4?


Just a double elimination bracket qualifier for EU only. One foreigner is okay.


No, you have to give that spot to the foreigner that provided the best Twitter drama over the year


I don't think Nani would accept a spot for tourney held in Poland though.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 18:02:47
December 18 2015 17:55 GMT
#57
On December 19 2015 01:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
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On December 19 2015 00:48 barbaTossa wrote:
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.

If they'd really be convinced of that they should not be representative casters of Professional starcraft.

Maybe we could introduce some new terminology to Starcraft.
Professional Starcraft -> Highest level, includes Koreans
Amateur Starcraft -> High Drama Content, No Koreans allowed!!!
WCS 2016 -> WCS Welfare
World Championship Series -> WCS Slaughterhouse

Just to avoid confusion

Nice, I already started to use the "WCS Welfare" circuit yesterday and will not do otherwise.

The sad thing is that I am living quite close to Poland and I was planning to go to the IEM World championship this year to see the best SC2. OK, I will save the money. I am just sad that as there are some good Polish players, I am sure, the Polish crowd will support even this event, so IEM will not see, how they destroyed the viewership.

So this means, there will not be any WCS Global Events, right? The worst nightmare is real. Thank you Blizzard, thank you IEM. We are lucky to have proleague, but I am sad, as watching Koreans in Korea playing Koreans is not exactly what I liked. I liked big offline events in the west with western production, interviews, casters ... Where best Koreans were playing the best Koreans, eventually foreign players, This was exactly what IEM was offering. Thank you Snute for your performance at IEM last year. But there will be no more reasonable IEM.

Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you IEM. Fuck you Apollo and other "supporters". Fuck you all foreign players!

Please, Dennis, find some new German sponsors and change Homestory cup's prize pool to 50k, to 75k, and do Korean qualifiers with lots of spots and cover at least partially their travel costs. I promise you, you will become the most watched event of the year 2016!

And thank you very much, Team Liquid Writers, Moderators, Administrators, for not playing this artificial celebration wave, explaining to the world, how great this new system is. I understand, it is not easy not to celebrate the hand, that also feeds you. Thank you for being honest. Long live Team Liquid!

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achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
December 18 2015 17:57 GMT
#58
Well, we will see whether this will increase or decrease viewership. If it does end up dramatically decreasing, I wonder what IEM and DH will do next.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
December 18 2015 18:02 GMT
#59
This might be the first weekend tournament in a long time that I'm actively not going to watch. I just can't support this.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 18 2015 18:03 GMT
#60
On December 19 2015 02:55 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:48 barbaTossa wrote:
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.

If they'd really be convinced of that they should not be representative casters of Professional starcraft.

Maybe we could introduce some new terminology to Starcraft.
Professional Starcraft -> Highest level, includes Koreans
Amateur Starcraft -> High Drama Content, No Koreans allowed!!!
WCS 2016 -> WCS Welfare
World Championship Series -> WCS Slaughterhouse

Just to avoid confusion

Nice, I already started to use the "WCS Welfare" circuit yesterday and will not do otherwise.

The sad thing is that I am living quite close to Poland and I was planning to go to the IEM World championship this year to see the best SC2. OK, I will save the money. I am just sad that as there are some good Polish players, I am sure, the Polish crowd will support even this event, so IEM will not see, how they destroyed the viewership.

So this means, there will not be any WCS Global Events, right? The worst nightmare is real. Thank you Blizzard, thank you IEM. We are lucky to have proleague, but I am sad, as watching Koreans in Korea playing Koreans is not exactly what I liked. I liked big offline events in the west with western production, interviews, casters ... Where best Koreans were playing the best Koreans, eventually foreign players, This was exactly what IEM was offering. Thank you Snute for your performance at IEM last year. But there will be no more reasonable IEM.

Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you IEM. Fuck you Apollo and other "supporters". Fuck you all foreign players!

Please, Dennis, find some new German sponsors and change Homestory cup's prize pool to 50k, to 75k, and do Korean qualifiers with lots of spots and cover at least partially their travel costs. I promise you, you will become the most watched event of the year 2016!


If there are no global events it really, really sucks for the fans. Goodbye chances to see your fav KR player unless he is among the best 8 and you can afford going to Blizzcon (lol).

It doesn't hurt me because there were barely any events near my area (oh now I appreciate even more that I got to meet herO at Sao Paulo!!), but I understand your frustration.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
December 18 2015 18:06 GMT
#61
Well, the bad news keep coming
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Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
December 18 2015 18:06 GMT
#62
This is awesome, big fan of this format :D
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Hoofit
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom128 Posts
December 18 2015 18:13 GMT
#63
Great to have a big money event in Katowice.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2950 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 18:18:58
December 18 2015 18:16 GMT
#64
On December 19 2015 02:55 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 01:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 19 2015 00:48 barbaTossa wrote:
They're not going around in public talking about how their employer is screwing over the foundation of professional starcraft because of some complaining foreigners that prefer drama over practice? How surprising.


I am convinced they think it's the best for the scene and it might be. Who knows? But implying or maintaining the misconception that there will be even close to as many WCS Global-type events in 2016 as in 2015 if there might in fact be none is platantly lying and hoping the community will forgive them as soon as they see the changes in action.

If they'd really be convinced of that they should not be representative casters of Professional starcraft.

Maybe we could introduce some new terminology to Starcraft.
Professional Starcraft -> Highest level, includes Koreans
Amateur Starcraft -> High Drama Content, No Koreans allowed!!!
WCS 2016 -> WCS Welfare
World Championship Series -> WCS Slaughterhouse

Just to avoid confusion

Nice, I already started to use the "WCS Welfare" circuit yesterday and will not do otherwise.

The sad thing is that I am living quite close to Poland and I was planning to go to the IEM World championship this year to see the best SC2. OK, I will save the money. I am just sad that as there are some good Polish players, I am sure, the Polish crowd will support even this event, so IEM will not see, how they destroyed the viewership.

So this means, there will not be any WCS Global Events, right? The worst nightmare is real. Thank you Blizzard, thank you IEM. We are lucky to have proleague, but I am sad, as watching Koreans in Korea playing Koreans is not exactly what I liked. I liked big offline events in the west with western production, interviews, casters ... Where best Koreans were playing the best Koreans, eventually foreign players, This was exactly what IEM was offering. Thank you Snute for your performance at IEM last year. But there will be no more reasonable IEM.

Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you IEM. Fuck you Apollo and other "supporters". Fuck you all foreign players!

Please, Dennis, find some new German sponsors and change Homestory cup's prize pool to 50k, to 75k, and do Korean qualifiers with lots of spots and cover at least partially their travel costs. I promise you, you will become the most watched event of the year 2016!

And thank you very much, Team Liquid Writers, Moderators, Administrators, for not playing this artificial celebration wave, explaining to the world, how great this new system is. I understand, it is not easy not to celebrate the hand, that also feeds you. Thank you for being honest. Long live Team Liquid!


Pretty much this.
I have never wished for a IEM to fail, but the less viewers the IEM WC's gonna have, the better. Blizzard really fucked up as badly as they could. I'm so happy, Take.tv refused to be part of this. If this is what we'll get 2016, HSC is the only tournament remainig for me to watch.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 18 2015 18:22 GMT
#65
As much as I hate this, we all know that IEM Grand Finals won't be affected at all because on twitch at least, ESL shows in order and alert all channels to the current running finals. For example, this years finals, at the end of the CS:GO, the ESL channel gave a heads up that the SC2 final will be streamed and suddenly we get from 50K views to 100K+ views on twitch.

This is just pure retarded format but whatever happens, the twitch views won't get any less...
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
December 18 2015 20:08 GMT
#66
I'm looking forward to this IEM. I think it will be great to see the new WCS circuit kick off!
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12060 Posts
December 18 2015 20:18 GMT
#67
Let's be clear, the 2016 format is only good if there are enough WCS Global events.

If even Katowice isn't one, we're not on the right path.

Still no info so it's hard to say decisive things, but this doesn't look very good.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 18 2015 20:25 GMT
#68
On December 19 2015 05:18 Nebuchad wrote:
Let's be clear, the 2016 format is only good if there are enough WCS Global events.

If even Katowice isn't one, we're not on the right path.

Still no info so it's hard to say decisive things, but this doesn't look very good.

Yep i agree completely. TB made a good point, the tournament organizers helped to make this system, they (probably) actually want foreigners only. Why do a global event then? :/

We should give the system (and the foreigners) a chance though. Maybe it will be interesting in the end.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 20:29:11
December 18 2015 20:29 GMT
#69
I hope that there will be an IEM global event next year, even if Katowice isn't one.
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 18 2015 20:53 GMT
#70
On December 19 2015 05:29 Ansibled wrote:
I hope that there will be an IEM global event next year, even if Katowice isn't one.


Katowice is IEM World Championship. It's where they used to invite all last season champions and crown the WC. Now they downgraded it to Taipei and use Katowice to host a region locked tournament (Winter). So unless I understood something wrong I think this as a clear sign they don't have interest in having Koreans in their tournaments, hence I don't expect them to give us any other Global event besides Taipei.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10045 Posts
December 18 2015 20:56 GMT
#71
On December 19 2015 05:53 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 05:29 Ansibled wrote:
I hope that there will be an IEM global event next year, even if Katowice isn't one.


Katowice is IEM World Championship. It's where they used to invite all last season champions and crown the WC. Now they downgraded it to Taipei and use Katowice to host a region locked tournament (Winter). So unless I understood something wrong I think this as a clear sign they don't have interest in having Koreans in their tournaments, hence I don't expect them to give us any other Global event besides Taipei.

you met herO? im so jelly right now xD

i believe Blizz make a Global event happen no matter what, we just have to wait... soon tm
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[16thSq] Kuro
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 21:49:36
December 18 2015 21:48 GMT
#72
Sad.

I was at every IEM Katowice so far. I still remember as I watched the players walk on stage during opening ceremony and I thought "oh my god, they are real, they are standing right there". On IEM WC 2014 I saw herO play for the first time (I missed his games on previous events unfortunately), I was truly amazed by his playstyle and then by all the energy he brought to the audience. Then in 2015 the highlights of the event for me were the little things like high fiving Zest after he won the WC.

I follow the Korean events as close as I can, I started exactly because I met all those great players at IEMs. But it's rather unlikely that I will ever be able to travel there, so IEM was always something I was waiting for, to finally see them live, maybe exchange a few words if I'm lucky. Of course I was happy to talk to Snute and I did have fun at WCS S3 Finals but now half of it is gone. I was already saving money for the premium ticket and looking out for volunteer application but now... I will probably come to hang out with friends but...

I think I'd prefer if they just reverted IEM Katowice back to regular Open Bracket. Well, let's hope that there are still some fully international events in central/east Europe planned...
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 18 2015 22:08 GMT
#73
I mean lets be real, 2010, 2012 is over. Theres no idra, huk faded, no stephano. Removing koreans might not affect the numbers, but it is imho a huge hit in the face of tl people. Think of fanclubs, lrs, previews, recaps, tlpd, all the passionate people. You remove the higher quality half of stacraft. This is dumb. Imagine csgo would remove fnatic, envyus, vp, nip and increase prize money for am only tournaments. Would any of you like that?
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
December 18 2015 22:28 GMT
#74
Hype!
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18342 Posts
December 18 2015 22:35 GMT
#75
On December 19 2015 03:22 WrathSCII wrote:
As much as I hate this, we all know that IEM Grand Finals won't be affected at all because on twitch at least, ESL shows in order and alert all channels to the current running finals. For example, this years finals, at the end of the CS:GO, the ESL channel gave a heads up that the SC2 final will be streamed and suddenly we get from 50K views to 100K+ views on twitch.

This is just pure retarded format but whatever happens, the twitch views won't get any less...


you just told us why they changed the format

Viewer numbers were abysmal for IEM WC, why should they stick with the same format?
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 07:12:19
December 19 2015 07:07 GMT
#76
On December 19 2015 07:35 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 03:22 WrathSCII wrote:
As much as I hate this, we all know that IEM Grand Finals won't be affected at all because on twitch at least, ESL shows in order and alert all channels to the current running finals. For example, this years finals, at the end of the CS:GO, the ESL channel gave a heads up that the SC2 final will be streamed and suddenly we get from 50K views to 100K+ views on twitch.

This is just pure retarded format but whatever happens, the twitch views won't get any less...


you just told us why they changed the format

Viewer numbers were abysmal for IEM WC, why should they stick with the same format?


Not sure where exactly I said the reason why the view count is low...

I'm not saying they should stick with the old system. In fact, I completely understand the reason they chose IEM WC to be WCS Winter. It is because WCS Winter is the first major WCS Circuit ever and they need the biggest momentum for it. Do I agree with them on this? Absolutely not!

IEM system is doing multiple events around the world until the IEM WC at Katowice, where the winners in each event come and face each other to determine the best.

What happened this year is that we are grouping those players and let them play each other in the basement for some coins and allow lesser players to compete at the world championship of IEM.

I don't know if you agree with this or not. But for me, this sounds like a sick joke and more of an insult to those who trained their asses and when they reached the world championship, they are getting the middle finger and sent to the basement for a laughable prize pool

I'm not against growing the foreign scene. But that does not mean you can go grow it by fucking over the Korean one. We got less seasons for GSL / SSL. Even SSL is becoming a KeSPA cup with higher prize pool.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 15:55:53
December 19 2015 15:51 GMT
#77
I honestly dont get why people are so upset. You knew this was coming from the other WCS thread that explained the new format.

There are pros and cons to having Korean leagues on their own and essentially foreigner leagues on their own and then the finals include both.

This will be a good tournament. Chill.

I honestly don't like that they are separating the two because i believe that to become the best you need to have opportunities to play the best but maybe this will encourage teams to train against eachother so foreigners can get more practice vs koreans, who knows. It could work out well, just give it a chance.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 19 2015 17:07 GMT
#78
The WCS Spring Event will most likely be held at Dreamhack Austin. So be happy, worried or whatever else.
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NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
December 21 2015 05:26 GMT
#79
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 21 2015 05:29 GMT
#80
On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote:
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting



Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing?


$150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-21 06:35:07
December 21 2015 06:28 GMT
#81
On December 21 2015 14:29 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote:
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting



Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing?


$150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship.


You could at least be more reasonable in the hate you are spilling. I'm trying to understand your view, but it gets harder and harder with every your post to take you serious. You are a casual. You are playing in the basement. Anyway, any invitational shouldn't have higher prize pool than any kind of open tournament.

It would be nicer to discuss with you if you weren't so blind in your hate.

EDIT: I have a great idea: what would you say to a tournament system, where each player is invited (screw you, casuals), has an amount of money on him equal to his estimated skill level, and when a player enters a tournament his participation raises the prize pool accordingly? Is that your paradise?
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stormssc
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland125 Posts
December 21 2015 06:56 GMT
#82
Apparently I'm more happy with this than most people here. I really disliked Katowice SC events because they were >90% Korean players and I couldn't support any local heroes. Now I can.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-21 07:16:26
December 21 2015 07:11 GMT
#83
On December 21 2015 15:28 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2015 14:29 WrathSCII wrote:
On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote:
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting



Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing?


$150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship.


You could at least be more reasonable in the hate you are spilling. I'm trying to understand your view, but it gets harder and harder with every your post to take you serious. You are a casual. You are playing in the basement. Anyway, any invitational shouldn't have higher prize pool than any kind of open tournament.

It would be nicer to discuss with you if you weren't so blind in your hate.

EDIT: I have a great idea: what would you say to a tournament system, where each player is invited (screw you, casuals), has an amount of money on him equal to his estimated skill level, and when a player enters a tournament his participation raises the prize pool accordingly? Is that your paradise?


I'm going to explain my point of view again:

I have no problem with fostering the foreign environment and helping it grow but that MUST NOT be at the cost of the Korean scene.

Comparing the current foreign scene and the Korean scene is like comparing pros and casuals. So it is quite normal to call them with that name when a comparison is going on

The analogy and my "blind hate" when it comes to the IEM WC is because those who won and participated in the previous IEM events should be playing in the WC. But now those who played in the previous IEM will be playing in Taipei with below half of the views they deserve. The Taipei event came as compensation after screwing them because they are Koreans while making the WC tournament with its prestige for those who did not compete.

The "basement" analogy came from comparing the WC event in Katowice to Taipei event that came at the last minute just to compensate for banning the Koreans.

The Korean scene got banned from IEM / DH and got less seasons for both GSL and SSL, how do we Compensate for this? I'm still waiting. So far, nothing. No compensation at all! If you try to give them other tournaments to maintain the number of tournaments they play I would be satisfied even if you take DH / IEM out of it.

Saying that they already have more than enough events just like Apollo said is just plain stupid. Treating them like this because they are better than your average Joe is just disrespectful act.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
December 21 2015 07:30 GMT
#84
On December 21 2015 16:11 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2015 15:28 aQuaSC wrote:
On December 21 2015 14:29 WrathSCII wrote:
On December 21 2015 14:26 NyxNax wrote:
$150,000 holy shit.. That will make it interesting



Even if they have a prize pool of $1,000,000, what is the point of watching if it will be with casuals playing?


$150,000 for casuals and $25,000 for the pros. Nice logic and play by Blizzard and IEM. I just hope all Koreans refuse the invitation and Taipei gets cancelled because it is literally an insult to those who prepared for all the previous IEM to get play in the basement instead of the World Championship.


You could at least be more reasonable in the hate you are spilling. I'm trying to understand your view, but it gets harder and harder with every your post to take you serious. You are a casual. You are playing in the basement. Anyway, any invitational shouldn't have higher prize pool than any kind of open tournament.

It would be nicer to discuss with you if you weren't so blind in your hate.

EDIT: I have a great idea: what would you say to a tournament system, where each player is invited (screw you, casuals), has an amount of money on him equal to his estimated skill level, and when a player enters a tournament his participation raises the prize pool accordingly? Is that your paradise?


I'm going to explain my point of view again:

I have no problem with fostering the foreign environment and helping it grow but that MUST NOT be at the cost of the Korean scene.

Comparing the current foreign scene and the Korean scene is like comparing pros and casuals. So it is quite normal to call them with that name when a comparison is going on

The analogy and my "blind hate" when it comes to the IEM WC is because those who won and participated in the previous IEM events should be playing in the WC. But now those who played in the previous IEM will be playing in Taipei with below half of the views they deserve. The Taipei event came as compensation after screwing them because they are Koreans while making the WC tournament with its prestige for those who did not compete.

The "basement" analogy came from comparing the WC event in Katowice to Taipei event that came at the last minute just to compensate for banning the Koreans.

The Korean scene got banned from IEM / DH and got less seasons for both GSL and SSL, how do we Compensate for this? I'm still waiting. So far, nothing. No compensation at all! If you try to give them other tournaments to maintain the number of tournaments they play I would be satisfied even if you take DH / IEM out of it.

Saying that they already have more than enough events just like Apollo said is just plain stupid. Treating them like this because they are better than your average Joe is just disrespectful act.


I said in another thread, that the main problem of this system is the fact that it came after previous decisions that let the arguable "money-grab" KeSPA trips ruin local scenes in favor of Korean. I wish it never happened, the transition should not happen that quick, the interest in game went down (I personally know people leaving SC2 for another game because of Koreans - try to imagine for a second that people can and do watch anything for more than extremely high-level) and it feels like a poor replacement for previous systems. Now I perfectly understand disappointment about stopping Korean dominance choking potential foreigner talent, who - unlike in Korea - have to be better and beat more than few of them in a tournament environment to break out. There is no team support that Korea has.

I know that blocking most of the Koreans (still, not all of them) out of international tournaments is disappointing. I still believe that it's better to block them than to let the game slowly die of losing interest for viewers and players altogether. You know, there are other countries than Korea that have players willing to play the game for a living and deserve support to gain visibility and break out.

We haven't heard how the whole year is going to be anyway. I'd wait for information on how WCS Global Events are going to look like, and by the way, we don't know for sure if it was KeSPA's or Blizzard's decision to simplify SSL and take out one season of GSL/SSL out of the calendar. In my opinion it's naive and too early to think, that ESL is going to stop organizing events that include Korean presence and take Taipei invitational as a "farewell gift" to the most competitive environment world has to offer. I'd wait before bashing foreigners and treat them like "unworthy" of playing this game.
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December 21 2015 07:40 GMT
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Not gonna make any decisions about the 2016 system, but I almost never watch tournaments without Koreans, and like many here, am not going to watch the foreigner only portion of this either, not as a boycott or protest, but because it's not an interesting use of my time.
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