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ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
On December 18 2015 13:50 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 13:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 18 2015 13:28 Cele wrote:On December 18 2015 13:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 18 2015 13:06 Cele wrote:
interesting changes. not sure if i like them.. we have unrelated reasons to like them. so what are yours? i didnt even say why i like or dislike em ^^ less GSL means more use of afreeca studio for BW content like the NSL. Although I'm not sure if a deal has been made between kespa and afreeca on broadcasting rights for proleague, can't expect SPOTV to do both proleague LCK and other LoL content on their own, after all even the LoL stuff is shared with OGN, maybe the same can be done for SC2, then again what do I know, things rarely go as I say they do. yeah interesting. But then im not sure if we would have more BW if there was more studio time. I think the bigger issue is actually sponsorship. With SSL being discontinued by SBENU's dwindling ineterst in the format, (acc to Sonic's statement) that seems to be more of a problem to me. Anyways, more studio space won't hinder BW, that's for sure. Sidenote: It's really weird how this Sc2 <-> interaction works out often these days. And i don't mean game bashing in the forums. It's just in the korean market, where we all turn our eyes too, both games actually struggle for the same ressources in parts. It's the same discussion with sponsors and players really. SBENU dropping BW is good for Sc2 as they will focus more time/money there (even more on LoL im sure) and likewise BW fans are often not too sad about Flash's retirement, given the higher likelyhood of him streaming on afreeca soon. A weird interaction really, but im getting of topic :>
well having the studio open to them helps a lot, means that acquiring sponsorship doesn't become their primary concern it makes it their only one, I have no doubts in YellOw's ability to get sponsors anyway.
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On December 18 2015 13:50 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 13:47 Solar424 wrote:On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .
My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition If there is a Proleague next year. Shouldn't we have heard something about it yet, or is KeSPA hopping on the "delay your announcement for as long as humanly possible" train It's already been announced, and it's going to start in January.
When? Where? Source?
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GSL vs SSL winner.
What if they're the same person?
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I have absolutely no interest in watching foreigners compete.
I was okay with having 1 foreigner only tournament but this is ridicolous. The amount of sc2 I can watch will be significantly lower than last year. If blizzards goal is to kill the sc2 scene they are on a good way.
Do they even care about korean pro players?
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Mute City2363 Posts
On December 18 2015 13:53 Chaggi wrote:
I get what they're trying to do but I don't think this is going to change the viewership at all, and IMO - might drop it. I haven't seen any evidence for viewership going up when foreigners are involved. ONLY if the foreigners are competitive but I don't know how this system promotes that.
Think of all the biggest events in Starcraft history. I'm sure that if IPL5 was a 72man NA open bracket it would've generated the same excitement and viewership, and that DRG, MMA and SlayerS were certainly not the big draws of MLGs in time gone by.
The worst thing about this is the utter hypocrisy of the common theme that this will "provide more opportunities to up and coming players around the world". It does; while also shafting the Korean scene. Essentially, fuck up your qualifiers and you're screwed for months until Season 2 rolls by. If you're not Code S, you're nothing. Eye opening given the fact that at the end of HotS the top 32 players in the world were all Korean
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Well, let's say we enjoyed those IEMs and DHs in the past, because in one year from now they'll all have stopped to support SC2.
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On December 18 2015 14:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 13:53 Chaggi wrote:
I get what they're trying to do but I don't think this is going to change the viewership at all, and IMO - might drop it. I haven't seen any evidence for viewership going up when foreigners are involved. ONLY if the foreigners are competitive but I don't know how this system promotes that. Think of all the biggest events in Starcraft history. I'm sure that if IPL5 was a 72man NA open bracket it would've generated the same excitement and viewership, and that DRG, MMA and SlayerS were certainly not the big draws of MLGs in time gone by. The worst thing about this is the utter hypocrisy of the common theme that this will "provide more opportunities to up and coming players around the world". It does; while also shafting the Korean scene. Essentially, fuck up your qualifiers and you're screwed for months until Season 2 rolls by. If you're not Code S, you're nothing. Eye opening given the fact that at the end of HotS the top 32 players in the world were all Korean
and before for foreigners it was basically "well you don't have the structure or support that korea has so your fucked"
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Australia18228 Posts
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)
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On December 18 2015 14:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 13:53 Chaggi wrote:
I get what they're trying to do but I don't think this is going to change the viewership at all, and IMO - might drop it. I haven't seen any evidence for viewership going up when foreigners are involved. ONLY if the foreigners are competitive but I don't know how this system promotes that. Think of all the biggest events in Starcraft history. I'm sure that if IPL5 was a 72man NA open bracket it would've generated the same excitement and viewership, and that DRG, MMA and SlayerS were certainly not the big draws of MLGs in time gone by. The worst thing about this is the utter hypocrisy of the common theme that this will "provide more opportunities to up and coming players around the world". It does; while also shafting the Korean scene. Essentially, fuck up your qualifiers and you're screwed for months until Season 2 rolls by. If you're not Code S, you're nothing. Eye opening given the fact that at the end of HotS the top 32 players in the world were all Korean
Yeah all the biggest events were with foreigners that were competitive. Sucks that someone only has to be top 8 in the foreign scene pull a Lilbow and cash out.
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honestly I think the most successful attempt at making foreigners better is when GSL had the foreigner team house and seeded in foreigners through MLG and they got to live there in the house together for cheap (or free?)
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If they wanted to go with 8+8 for blizzcon they could have done that with the old system. But why all of that other stuff? It sounds a lot like an emergency solution after ESL dropped the production and I don't see any advantage for the WCS circuit system over the old, regular WCS system. I guess it could be good for foreigner exposure, but then again, isn't it a terrible blow for their trainings conditions if the Koreans never travel?
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On December 18 2015 14:58 Big J wrote:
If they wanted to go with 8+8 for blizzcon they could have done that with the old system. But why all of that other stuff? It sounds a lot like an emergency solution after ESL dropped the production and I don't see any advantage for the WCS circuit system over the old, regular WCS system. I guess it could be good for foreigner exposure, but then again, isn't it a terrible blow for their trainings conditions if the Koreans never travel?
Well the old system had these long drawn out tournaments, which perhaps didn't have the same intensinsity. Personally I would prefer a league system where 16 players per region end up playing regularly every other week for 2 months --> Playoffs.
This makes it somewhat easy to follow the "story" of the players as you can see their ranking in the league and watch them regularly in meaningful games.
The top players for each regional league then meet in a big global tournament every 3rd/4th month or so which gives some type of cross-regional play.
And below that there should ofc be some type of qualification system w
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On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)
1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.
I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?
But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016
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So 1 less GSL/SSL per year, no point in watching IEM/DH any more. At least playoffs is 2 Koreans in each group so WCS Finals are worth watching.
Oh well, at least there'll be more time to watch Proleague.
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On December 18 2015 15:18 Lorch wrote:
So 1 less GSL/SSL per year, no point in watching IEM/DH any more. At least playoffs is 2 Koreans in each group so WCS Finals are worth watching.
Oh well, at least there'll be more time to watch Proleague.
Why's that? DH/IEM could be WCS Global Events where Koreans would attend.
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finally, way better than i expected
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On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still) 1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed. 2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore. 3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now. I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right? But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016
Plus I am screwed as I was always cheering for the foreigners / underdogs in the tournaments, never for the TOP 1 player (herO) or the actual favorite (Inno). I was always cheering for sOs, Fantasy, Rogue ... I would even cheer for Polt and Hydra if they were not qualified though welfare. But now, BlizzCon will be boring from the point of cheering as I do not want to cheer for the TOP Koreans and I can't cheer for Welfare qualified ones ...
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On December 18 2015 13:55 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 13:50 ZAiNs wrote:On December 18 2015 13:47 Solar424 wrote:On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .
My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition If there is a Proleague next year. Shouldn't we have heard something about it yet, or is KeSPA hopping on the "delay your announcement for as long as humanly possible" train It's already been announced, and it's going to start in January. When? Where? Source?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/496364-proleague-kespa-cup-confirmed-for-2016
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On December 18 2015 15:28 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 13:55 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 13:50 ZAiNs wrote:On December 18 2015 13:47 Solar424 wrote:On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .
My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition If there is a Proleague next year. Shouldn't we have heard something about it yet, or is KeSPA hopping on the "delay your announcement for as long as humanly possible" train It's already been announced, and it's going to start in January. When? Where? Source? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/496364-proleague-kespa-cup-confirmed-for-2016
Aha OK, thanks
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If blizzard wants to help the foreigner scene they should just invest money into foreigner team houses. So they can hire korean coaches and foreigner players will have the same level of training than korean players. It's pretty weird to me that they create some artificial differences between koreans and the rest of the world for tournaments.
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