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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
December 18 2015 03:47 GMT
#401
Can anyone tell me how the players qualify for the WCS Circuit Championships? All it says is that they come from the WCS Regional Challengers...
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 18 2015 03:49 GMT
#402
Well, when we saw Lilbow's appearance at BlizzCon, we thought, BlizzCon needs to change this system. And we felt sorry for all the foreign players.
So, we've got what we wanted. BlizzCon is changing the system. More Lilbows is what we need! :-)
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
December 18 2015 03:49 GMT
#403
Wondering if some mods could add these to the main body of the O.P.:




Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3386 Posts
December 18 2015 03:52 GMT
#404
Initial thoughts on this, is that this is fucking awesome and will once again bring greatness to the scene. People will probably change my mind on this in the future
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 18 2015 04:06 GMT
#405
interesting changes. not sure if i like them..
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12184 Posts
December 18 2015 04:08 GMT
#406
On December 18 2015 12:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 12:30 Nebuchad wrote:
Depending on how many global tourneys there are this could look very similar to 2015 in terms of actual games' content. There is virtually no way IEM won't have global tourneys, DH and RedBull I'm not so sure (it would surprise me if RedBull had any, perhaps just one?)


There's pretty much no market now for the smaller LANs featuring Koreans (e.g. Gfinity), while out of all the DH / IEM / Red Bull events last year, there was a grand total of two events which had a prize pool of 50k necessary to qualify as a Global Event (IEM WC and DHW, while the rest were $25k).

Sure, ESL could divert funds used in WCS 2015 to cover global events in 2016, but it's unlikely that we'll match the total weekenders seen in 2015, let alone 2013/14. And whatever happens, it sure won't make up for two fewer starleagues.


My read was that Blizzard would also be ready to give the boost to global events. You're right that it's not actually written so I was wrong, but I would be surprised if this wasn't the case.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
December 18 2015 04:12 GMT
#407
On December 18 2015 13:06 Cele wrote:
interesting changes. not sure if i like them..


we have unrelated reasons to like them.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 18 2015 04:14 GMT
#408
On December 18 2015 12:44 SlammerIV wrote:
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On December 18 2015 12:27 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 12:11 SlammerIV wrote:
On December 18 2015 11:50 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 11:40 SlammerIV wrote:
Can people please stop trying to speak for the entire fanbase of starcraft! I am a huge Starcraft fan, I have watched almost every tournament since early 2013 and I am super excited and hyped for the new system blizzard is implementing. I respect the fact that many here on TL disagree but can we at least admit that there is at least a large percentage of StarCraft fans who support region locking.

I think we need to understand why Koreans are so good at starcraft, imo it is not because they work harder or are genetically superior, it is simply because they benefit from the infrastructure in Korea which allows new talent to get on a team, make some money, and actually make a living. Up until now very few non Korean players have had the money, practice, or infrastructure which enables a player to dedicate their lives to becoming the absolute best. The new system will provide a reason for players to actually put in the huge level of dedication required to reach the level of Korean players. I do not understand how people choose to ignore the simple economics of the situation. Why would someone put in the effort required when they are not going to receive any benefit. Now Blizzard is giving players a real shot at making a living off gaming.

No, there is not a "large percentage of fans who support region locking". But there are some for sure, e.g. all the non-
Korean players. We will have a "Division A" and "Division B". Different levels of competition, but the same money. The Division A players will play among themselves and will still be great players. The division B players will play among themselves and ... (through some miracle?) will soon reach the level of the Division A players?

I understand the enthusiasm of all the western players - if someone told me, my salary will be doubled, tripled, quadrupled, I would be also enthusiastic and would promise, I will work twice harder. Will I?


Alright, very fair.
I guess I am bit more op
You do not know the number of fans who support region locking any more than I do, browsing reddit and TL I saw many people who posted positive comments. TL probably has the most hardcore audience so it is understandable that the majority of posts here are anti region locking, however the more casual viewer, which by the way is who Blizzard is trying to reach, supports region locking. Just because you have a certain opinion does not mean that a huge majority agrees with you.

We are discussing a very tight nuance.

I do not think, people even here on TL are against some welfare tournaments for weak foreign players, who do not manage to get to the larger ones. That is OK. We are not forced to watch them. We did even cheer for the WCS 2015 even with the player pool, it had.

More money - that is great!

More tournaments - even more great!

In fact, I somehow do not mind that much having 8 foreigners to BlizzCon. It can be funny to see 8 beat ups like Lilbow and compete, who lasts more minutes.

But there are the bad things:
No more IEM in the quality, it had in the last years? Probably, we will still see, what they say. If IEM is not region locked, I will not be so disappointed.

Only 2 seasons of GSL / SSL. Very sad.

Only 8 Koreans going to BlizzCon? Fuck it! Together with only 2 seasons of GSL and SSL and region locking of the most foreign tournaments, this means, that not the best Koreans will come to BlizzCon, but it will be a lottery. You have 4 attempts per year to win or end up second in one of the 2 leagues in Korea. You make 4 times 3rd place? Sorry. You probably won't qualify for BlizzCon. It will be random, based on the actual form in the moment of the tournament. Not the long term performace, it is now. This is sad. For all the Korean players.

I would be fine with all the changes if two things happened:
1. IEM stays not region locked. But when you look at the current IEM, it seems, they will even cancel SC2 completely.
2. If the system took 16 best Koreans and 8 best foreigners to BlizzCon and mixes them somehow into groups, brackets, ... that would be awesome. Or 12 Koreans and 4 foreigners.


Alright fair enough.

I guess I am just more optimistic. At this point we don't really know how many Global events along the lines of IEM with open qualifiers will exist. I think there will still be a solid amount of IEM style tournaments to go around. As for GSL SSL I think the 6 tournaments last year was a bit too much, it really felt rushed and lessened the hype a bit with a GSL or SSL final every other week. I also think the more open Korean schedule will allow for more other tournaments along the lines of kespa cup and hot6six cup. Also these events will hopefully have blizzard money for larger prize pools as well as WCS points available.

I agree that the Champion slots for GSL and SSL seem a bit bad, as you pointed out seems to reward a single performance over consistency. However, lets be real, pretty much every GSL and SSL champ was in the top 8 of Blizzcon last year, so this year will not be that different in that respect. And overall in my opinion the benefits of the system in respects to growing the foreign scene, more money, and greater overall support far outweighs concerns over a less than optimal Blizzcon system.

Just a slight disagreement. 6 tournaments of GSL / SSL per year were not too much. They would be enough, if they were not run at the same time. This way, it was a stupidly packed month with both competitions and then a looong wait for the next season. If they splitted the current ones into the system winter - spring - summer - autumn, it would make it somehow OK. But if it will be run in the current system of January x 2, then 5 months nothing and then July x 2, that is fucking bad. We can only hope for still some hot6ix and kespa cups ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 18 2015 04:20 GMT
#409
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .

My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition
Vasacast always in my <3
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 18 2015 04:27 GMT
#410
On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .

My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition

New Proleague format? Any info that it will be changed? Well, now, after GSL / SSL becoming more a random thing (today both sOs and Life out of their 25% chance for qualifying to BlizzCon), Proleague might be the only thing in the world to watch (if IEM becomes region locked).
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 18 2015 04:28 GMT
#411
On December 18 2015 13:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 13:06 Cele wrote:
interesting changes. not sure if i like them..


we have unrelated reasons to like them.


so what are yours? i didnt even say why i like or dislike em ^^
Broodwar for life!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 04:35:29
December 18 2015 04:31 GMT
#412
On December 18 2015 13:28 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 13:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 18 2015 13:06 Cele wrote:
interesting changes. not sure if i like them..


we have unrelated reasons to like them.


so what are yours? i didnt even say why i like or dislike em ^^


less GSL means more use of afreeca studio for BW content like the NSL. Although I'm not sure if a deal has been made between kespa and afreeca on broadcasting rights for proleague, can't expect SPOTV to do both proleague LCK and other LoL content on their own, after all even the LoL stuff is shared with OGN, maybe the same can be done for SC2, then again what do I know, things rarely go as I say they do.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Horiken
Profile Joined April 2013
Japan68 Posts
December 18 2015 04:37 GMT
#413
On December 18 2015 12:47 Die4Ever wrote:
Can anyone tell me how the players qualify for the WCS Circuit Championships? All it says is that they come from the WCS Regional Challengers...


8 from Reginal challenger, 8 from EU server qualifier, 6 from AM server qualifier, 2 from host Nation qualifier, 8 from WCS points. look at Details and Requirements page.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2016-wcs-details-and-requirements
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 18 2015 04:47 GMT
#414
On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .

My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition

If there is a Proleague next year. Shouldn't we have heard something about it yet, or is KeSPA hopping on the "delay your announcement for as long as humanly possible" train
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
December 18 2015 04:49 GMT
#415
On December 18 2015 13:47 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .

My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition

If there is a Proleague next year. Shouldn't we have heard something about it yet, or is KeSPA hopping on the "delay your announcement for as long as humanly possible" train


you must not know kespa, I won't be surprised if they announced proleague a week before they start the season.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
December 18 2015 04:49 GMT
#416
On December 18 2015 13:49 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 13:47 Solar424 wrote:
On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .

My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition

If there is a Proleague next year. Shouldn't we have heard something about it yet, or is KeSPA hopping on the "delay your announcement for as long as humanly possible" train


you must not know kespa, I won't be surprised if they announced proleague a week before they start the season.

still better than Blizzard announcing this after qualifications have already started lol
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 04:52:56
December 18 2015 04:50 GMT
#417
On December 18 2015 13:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 13:28 Cele wrote:
On December 18 2015 13:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 18 2015 13:06 Cele wrote:
interesting changes. not sure if i like them..


we have unrelated reasons to like them.


so what are yours? i didnt even say why i like or dislike em ^^


less GSL means more use of afreeca studio for BW content like the NSL. Although I'm not sure if a deal has been made between kespa and afreeca on broadcasting rights for proleague, can't expect SPOTV to do both proleague LCK and other LoL content on their own, after all even the LoL stuff is shared with OGN, maybe the same can be done for SC2, then again what do I know, things rarely go as I say they do.


yeah interesting. But then im not sure if we would have more BW if there was more studio time. I think the bigger issue is actually sponsorship. With SSL being discontinued by SBENU's dwindling ineterst in the format, (acc to Sonic's statement) that seems to be more of a problem to me. Anyways, more studio space won't hinder BW, that's for sure.

Sidenote: It's really weird how this Sc2 <-> interaction works out often these days. And i don't mean game bashing in the forums. It's just in the korean market, where we all turn our eyes too, both games actually struggle for the same ressources in parts. It's the same discussion with sponsors and players really. SBENU dropping BW is good for Sc2 as they will focus more time/money there (even more on LoL im sure) and likewise BW fans are often not too sad about (T)Flash's retirement, given the higher likelyhood of him streaming on afreeca soon. A weird interaction really, but im getting of topic :>
Broodwar for life!
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 18 2015 04:50 GMT
#418
On December 18 2015 13:47 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .

My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition

If there is a Proleague next year. Shouldn't we have heard something about it yet, or is KeSPA hopping on the "delay your announcement for as long as humanly possible" train

It's already been announced, and it's going to start in January.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
December 18 2015 04:53 GMT
#419
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/board_kespa2014.php?b_no=6&_module=data&_page=view&b_pid=9999566900

There's some stuff that's been up for some time and still not translated yet, regarding Kespa Cup 2016.
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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
December 18 2015 04:53 GMT
#420
I get what they're trying to do but I don't think this is going to change the viewership at all, and IMO - might drop it. I haven't seen any evidence for viewership going up when foreigners are involved. ONLY if the foreigners are competitive but I don't know how this system promotes that.
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