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On December 18 2015 09:37 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 09:35 DwD wrote:On December 18 2015 09:29 Nerchio wrote:
The truth is - we could see some foreigners fighting in 2012 and before that. Then the scene got crushed and even if we would have someone that could stand up and fight it was a like a bird that was killed before it even learned how to fly. Now the bird might have a chance to learn how to fly even if there is bigger birds in the sky, thank you I go to sleep now. Any foreigner who is on a serious team have the opportunity to go to Korea tomorrow and practice to be the best. You won't become the best by playing on the NA ladder 5 games a day. Look at some of the best foreign hope through the time. Like Jinro, Huk, Snute, Naniwa, Scarlett etc. They all went to Korea, dedicated themselves and what happened? They got good at the freaking game. Why do you need the charity help so badly? I for one am not looking forward with half the bracket being full of foreigners who can't be bothered to practice aka LilBow for the biggest tournament of the year. As I said, going to Korea is not a solution to anything. Kespa is not going to welcome you with open hands. You can throw examples left and right but there is no foreigner that really dedicated in Korea.
No one is dedicated right now and it shows. Because no foreigner is good at the game.
What do you mean Kespa is not going to welcome you? Blizzard just said in this statement that any player can play in Korea if they want. Talk to a Korean team, ask if you can rent a bed if you can't then why not rent a 1 bedroom apartment in Seoul and go HAM on the KR Ladder. Judging by your team's winning and yourself you can afford it. That's where most KR pros get their practice anyway.
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I'm so happy they're spending more money on tournaments.
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Hehe good joke, when will they announce the real system?
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Prefered the koreans train the foreigners theme from before.But I guess if they give up on that, then this is the best way to keep Sc2 alive outside of Korea.
And the foreingers can pay kespa to give them a super training for a few month and then they can rock some tournaments.
just hope they stop this everlasting changes ... oh wait everyone wants changes, to keep thinks fresh *sigh*. Guess its back to chess.
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You know. I've never ever understood the appeal of college sports. Sure you went there, but no matter what, even if your team wins and is the best of the best in college. They would in all likely hood get wrecked even by 3 string pros.
This too me sounds similar. Who cares about the out come of the tournament, when code B Korean players could eat them alive.
I entirely understand the goal of what Blizz is trying to do, and honestly it IS Needed. I watched Hots at blizzcon, and it just seemed as though the audience was so into rooting on their white guys. I'll never understand it, but the game needs an elite set of foreigners to compete with KR for the health of the esports scene.
They are just executing it entirely wrong. I offer this solution.
Give Both DH and IEM, WCS global status allowing anyone available to participate. Then create online tournaments that are region locked, NA and EU, and make part of WCS circuit. We have 16 slots right now. Make it so Kr get 8, Circuit gets 4, and 4 come from the Global events.
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With less Korean leagues and less chance for travel we're gonna lose some more Korean players 
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Seems horrible and brutal for korean players ones not making it through the SSL qualifiers last night already missing out on 25% of the tournaments for the year. Korea has so many players last thing they need is less tournaments to play in
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On December 18 2015 10:01 Phredxor wrote:With less Korean leagues and less chance for travel we're gonna lose some more Korean players
I have heard some potentially ideas and also contributed my own on the subject of providing better grass roots support for Korean players. Korea seems to be lacking fresh blood to replace the guys who are retiring and that's going to kill the scene eventually. As an outsider, Korea might sound great. Wow, they have these 2 big studio leagues and team houses! Yeah, but those leagues are crushingly difficult to even qualify for much less actually do well in and every other competition is over-seas behind the huge financial barrier of flight and accommodation. Now the wall is up, you can't go to those events even if you can afford them, you can't make a name for yourself outside of GSL/SSL anymore.
It is of great concern. Olimoleague and other similar ventures are going to become much more important over the next 12 months. There needs to be a large financial injection into grass-roots events in which the so-called "Code B" koreans can prove themselves and start to build their brand.
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On December 18 2015 10:15 Xyliaa wrote:
Seems horrible and brutal for korean players ones not making it through the SSL qualifiers last night already missing out on 25% of the tournaments for the year. Korea has so many players last thing they need is less tournaments to play in
There will still most likely be other korean tournaments like kespa-cup. Also there will be WCS global events which they can attend.
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On December 18 2015 10:17 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 10:01 Phredxor wrote:With less Korean leagues and less chance for travel we're gonna lose some more Korean players I have heard some potentially ideas and also contributed my own on the subject of providing better grass roots support for Korean players. Korea seems to be lacking fresh blood to replace the guys who are retiring and that's going to kill the scene eventually. As an outsider, Korea might sound great. Wow, they have these 2 big studio leagues and team houses! Yeah, but those leagues are crushingly difficult to even qualify for much less actually do well in and every other competition is over-seas behind the huge financial barrier of flight and accommodation. Now the wall is up, you can't go to those events even if you can afford them, you can't make a name for yourself outside of GSL/SSL anymore. It is of great concern. Olimoleague and other similar ventures are going to become much more important over the next 12 months. There needs to be a large financial injection into grass-roots events in which the so-called "Code B" koreans can prove themselves and start to build their brand.
Oh nice, i hope some of those ideas happen.
Yeah it's worried me for a while that all the new players trying to make it are doing so poorly whilst the usual suspects keep doing well. As soon as the current crop all decide its time for military service or whatever then things could get ugly.
People like TANGTANG, Zoun or KESPAevryday just won't cut it
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I think they've hit a home run with this, but only time will tell. I'm very excited, though!
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OMG... Lots of Korean players gonna retire
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This is WCS affirmative action.
The main disappointments are only 2 GSL and SSL seasons, and the 8 Korean, 8 foreigner quota at the global finals. Everything else is fine.
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I wonder why the need to cut a third of the events in korea.
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On December 18 2015 10:48 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is WCS affirmative action.
The main disappointments are only 2 GSL and SSL seasons, and the 8 Korean, 8 foreigner quota at the global finals. Everything else is fine.
If IEM becomes WCS Welfare Circuit, that would become the biggest disappointment.
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what a huge blow to the most dedicated nation of sc2.
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On December 18 2015 10:42 ThePacifist wrote:
OMG... Lots of Korean players gonna retire
what has the reaction been from korean players and fans?
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Good bye weekend tournaments, we had a nice year 2015, but every time has to end.
Good by large amount of Korean Starcraft, only 2 seasons each, less as blizzcon. Blizzard learned rally wel from riot.
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On December 18 2015 11:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I wonder why the need to cut a third of the events in korea.
Money and direct seeding for global playoffs.
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Can people please stop trying to speak for the entire fanbase of starcraft! I am a huge Starcraft fan, I have watched almost every tournament since early 2013 and I am super excited and hyped for the new system blizzard is implementing. I respect the fact that many here on TL disagree but can we at least admit that there is at least a large percentage of StarCraft fans who support region locking.
I think we need to understand why Koreans are so good at starcraft, imo it is not because they work harder or are genetically superior, it is simply because they benefit from the infrastructure in Korea which allows new talent to get on a team, make some money, and actually make a living. Up until now very few non Korean players have had the money, practice, or infrastructure which enables a player to dedicate their lives to becoming the absolute best. The new system will provide a reason for players to actually put in the huge level of dedication required to reach the level of Korean players. I do not understand how people choose to ignore the simple economics of the situation. Why would someone put in the effort required when they are not going to receive any benefit. Now Blizzard is giving players a real shot at making a living off gaming.
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