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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
December 18 2015 06:38 GMT
#441
IMO - Blizzard / whoever should've spent some money for regional tournaments, GSL style if possible to get teams to invest in team houses and have the top placers duke it out for a country-wide WCS and then seed it like how the world cup is seeded. Promote LAN cafe's or something to get more in person viewership and support. Then have the players play out in a the big tournament like how it was last year. The best players still get rewarded, the worse players can live in team houses and improve, but that's most likely too much of a monetary commitment from everyone to be truly viable.
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
December 18 2015 06:55 GMT
#442
I'm not excited about this. SC2 most be the only scene where the good players get the lesser treatment.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 07:07:28
December 18 2015 07:02 GMT
#443
Blizzard could also introduce some real welfare system for all foreign progamers that would grant them some money in case, they are not able to win any prize money on any tournament during a given month. Some kind of un(employment)winning insurance.

I am sure, this would motivate them to train harder and harder and it would attract many new people to become SC2 progamers! This will help to build up a healthier foreign SC2 gaming scene. Blizzard, please, think about it! If you introduce this, I promise, even I will become an SC2 progamer!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Dungeontay
Profile Joined December 2015
126 Posts
December 18 2015 07:10 GMT
#444
Well i guess you can compare this to buying an excuse...

Jokes aside, those chamges dont look very appealing to the current situation. Only 2seasons of gsl amd ssl suck, eventhough i like that cross finals thing.still believe koreans should be allowed to play on weekenders. Im fine with the WCS region lock but weekenders should be open to anyone...
Zzz
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 07:23:48
December 18 2015 07:23 GMT
#445
TIL:

Foreign Welfare and Fuck Koreans.
Nationality > Skill for Qualification.



It's a fucking disgrace.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
December 18 2015 07:34 GMT
#446
On December 18 2015 07:12 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:00 WrathSCII wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple


Then please explain it. Is much different than the rumor week ago? What exactly the good side of it?

I just read it once and I'm sure someone will make some infographic or something, but simply it looks like this:

For non-Koreans
It is called the WCS Circuit for non-koreans

There are 3 WCS Circuit Championships a year

There are 6 regions that make up the WCS Circuit and each region has a qualifier ($10k prize pool) to qualify for each Championship

People also qualify based on their Points

These Championships and their qualifiers are the equivalent to premier/challenger etc things that we've seen in the past, but they're gonna be live events with crowds. They're more like normal non-korean events, not drawn out leagues

In addition to these standard events for the Circuit, any major third party (IEM, DH, etc) SC2 tournament that pops up can ask to be put on the Circuit, which means it has to follow the region-locking and qualifier rules and live audience and commentators player booths etc that a Circuit event requires.

Third party SC2 tournaments can also ask to be Global events, which means they're for non-koreans and Koreans as well. Those are also for points and have their set of format requirements (must have qualifiers, must allocate spots for certain regions, etc) and event requirements (live play, booths, live commentators, crowd, etc)

Third party SC2 tournaments can also do whatever they want and they just won't count for WCS points

In the end, the 3 players who win circuit championships will essentially go to blizzcon (will actually go to the week-before-blizzcon Ro16 thing) and 5 other players who have the most points will fill out the rest of the 8 non-korean slots

----

for Koreans
Pretty simple, they have 2 seasons of GSL and SSL each. The 4 champions go to the week-before-blizzcon thing. 4 highest points fill out the rest of their remaining slots.

They can of course attend WCS Global events as previously mentioned to earn additional points

They can also become a resident with a proper visa and essentially become a non-Korean and do the WCS Circuit instead (non-Koreans also have the option of doing GSL/SSL themselves if they'd rather not do WCS Circuit, btw)

Oh and the winners of GSL team up against the winners of SSL to do some crazy archon mode match for $25k



edit: Oh and Blizzard is throwing a ton of financial support in for third party tournaments that do decide to be a WCS event (paying for player travel expenses, adding money to prize pool)


Thanks
S4 Arrows, never forget. RIP Woongjin Stars.
Lappen.464
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany42 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 07:44:44
December 18 2015 07:41 GMT
#447
i did not read all 23 pages. but doesnt this mean, that the total price-money decreases? iem finals alone had 100.000 bucks on the line. now instead of wcs and the other events it is put together. has anyone calculated that?

aaaand. still no points for being top on the ladder. could have reduced the barcode problem
NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 07:56:57
December 18 2015 07:43 GMT
#448
500k for WCS finals, holy shit!!!! Thats twice the pool for major CS:GO tournaments, which are split between 5+ ppl!!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 07:46:50
December 18 2015 07:45 GMT
#449
Something I just thought of that REALLY frightens me...

There's essentially 4 options for Koreans to secure a qualification, GSL1, SSL1, GSL2, SSL2.
With the current state of (no-) balance and an extremely new game (gimmicks can win), we're essentially wasting half our Korean Blizzcon spots on players that abuse the new mechanics the best and with poor balancing to boot (Z>>P>>>>>>>>>>T).

In other words, we're getting 8 dodo's"Foreigner Sparkles Of Hope" into WCS Global, 4 potential flukes, and 4 competitors.

L M A O #ripsc2 #tyBlizz
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
December 18 2015 07:45 GMT
#450
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

The whole foreign player plus caster scene is only here for the cash. Skillwise they have never been relevant (if they all could just stop to use the title "Progamer").

I can only imagine how hard they have been trying to sway Blizz to their side. I just hope the viewer numbers will crash for Dreamhack and IEM, at least i will contribute to that.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 07:53:14
December 18 2015 07:49 GMT
#451
On December 18 2015 16:45 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

The whole foreign player plus caster scene is only here for the cash. Skillwise they have never been relevant (if they all could just stop to use the title "Progamer").

I can only imagine how hard they have been trying to sway Blizz to their side. I just hope the viewer numbers will crash for Dreamhack and IEM, at least i will contribute to that.

From the bright side, more time to study for finals and next year there will be even fewer tournaments, which makes getting my masters degree easier.

Then I'll be a master at International Economics & Starcraft ^^ #lifegoals

In all seriousness, the reasoning foreign 'pro'gamers use to defend their title, is saying they 'earn their living with gaming'. TIL; WinterSC, Fenner and Lowko are professional foreigner in Starcraft II.

That being said, without bringing a conspiracy theory into the equation, it is only logical that the foreigners (who speak English and have Blizzard contacts) manage to pull the money further and further into their own direction through WCS. It's completely sensable from both Blizz emloyees and the gamers alike.

My issue is, people keep refering to tournaments like HSC and NationWars as to why Foreign tournaments are good. Builds a profile, personality, lalalalal.
Those tournaments are incredible one-offs. The banter is fun, the casting is entertaining and less professional.

The skilllevel on the other hand is horrific. By those measurements, I would consider myself a valid Semi-pro because I am onehundred percent certain I would not lose a BO7 4-0 against most of those 'progamers'. FYI I AM A REALLY BAD STARCRAFT PLAYER.

I cannot imagine the viewer numbers going up after this farce. I for one will not watch Foreign only tournaments. Too much drama, too little skill. And I'm not alone.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 07:55 GMT
#452
On December 18 2015 13:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I don't agree with "Setting up an epic year in StarCraft II ESports".
I think that - Starcraft II + Esporst + Less Tournaments in Korea = Less Epic - .

My hopes are in a new and more epic Proleague format, possible with less 1vs1 competition

It took me so long looking at Esporst being confused like..... something is wrong with it, does capitalizing the E over the S make it look that different.

30 seconds later I noticed you switched the s and t. FML.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
December 18 2015 07:57 GMT
#453
On December 18 2015 16:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 18 2015 16:45 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

The whole foreign player plus caster scene is only here for the cash. Skillwise they have never been relevant (if they all could just stop to use the title "Progamer").

I can only imagine how hard they have been trying to sway Blizz to their side. I just hope the viewer numbers will crash for Dreamhack and IEM, at least i will contribute to that.

From the bright side, more time to study for finals and next year there will be even fewer tournaments, which makes getting my masters degree easier.

Then I'll be a master at International Economics & Starcraft ^^ #lifegoals

In all seriousness, the reasoning foreign 'pro'gamers use to defend their title, is saying they 'earn their living with gaming'. TIL; WinterSC, Fenner and Lowko are professional foreigner in Starcraft II.

That being said, without bringing a conspiracy theory into the equation, it is only logical that the foreigners (who speak English and have Blizzard contacts) manage to pull the money further and further into their own direction through WCS. It's completely sensable from both Blizz emloyees and the gamers alike.

My issue is, people keep refering to tournaments like HSC and NationWars as to why Foreign tournaments are good. Builds a profile, personality, lalalalal.
Those tournaments are incredible one-offs. The banter is fun, the casting is entertaining and less professional.

The skilllevel on the other hand is horrific. By those measurements, I would consider myself a valid Semi-pro because I am onehundred percent certain I would not lose a BO7 4-0 against most of those 'progamers'. FYI I AM A REALLY BAD STARCRAFT PLAYER.

I cannot imagine the viewer numbers going up after this farce. I for one will not watch Foreign only tournaments. Too much drama, too little skill. And I'm not alone.


I guess the additional study time will come in handy for my oral Electrodynamics II and QM II exams next year. Thx Blizz and foreign e-celebrities for helping me focus on uni!
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 07:58 GMT
#454
On December 18 2015 06:52 Die4Ever wrote:
I already bought tickets for Dreamhack Austin, they'd better have koreans there

Pretty sure this entitles you to a refund because they cannot deliver on the service you rightfully expected to receive. Especially in 'MURICA there is a case to be made for such a thing.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
December 18 2015 07:58 GMT
#455
"I hope the viewer numbers go down for Dreamhack and IEM.... I wont watch any foreign only tournaments".... Good lord...
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 18 2015 07:59 GMT
#456
On December 18 2015 16:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 16:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 18 2015 16:45 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

The whole foreign player plus caster scene is only here for the cash. Skillwise they have never been relevant (if they all could just stop to use the title "Progamer").

I can only imagine how hard they have been trying to sway Blizz to their side. I just hope the viewer numbers will crash for Dreamhack and IEM, at least i will contribute to that.

From the bright side, more time to study for finals and next year there will be even fewer tournaments, which makes getting my masters degree easier.

Then I'll be a master at International Economics & Starcraft ^^ #lifegoals

In all seriousness, the reasoning foreign 'pro'gamers use to defend their title, is saying they 'earn their living with gaming'. TIL; WinterSC, Fenner and Lowko are professional foreigner in Starcraft II.

That being said, without bringing a conspiracy theory into the equation, it is only logical that the foreigners (who speak English and have Blizzard contacts) manage to pull the money further and further into their own direction through WCS. It's completely sensable from both Blizz emloyees and the gamers alike.

My issue is, people keep refering to tournaments like HSC and NationWars as to why Foreign tournaments are good. Builds a profile, personality, lalalalal.
Those tournaments are incredible one-offs. The banter is fun, the casting is entertaining and less professional.

The skilllevel on the other hand is horrific. By those measurements, I would consider myself a valid Semi-pro because I am onehundred percent certain I would not lose a BO7 4-0 against most of those 'progamers'. FYI I AM A REALLY BAD STARCRAFT PLAYER.

I cannot imagine the viewer numbers going up after this farce. I for one will not watch Foreign only tournaments. Too much drama, too little skill. And I'm not alone.


I guess the additional study time will come in handy for my oral Electrodynamics II and QM II exams next year. Thx Blizz and foreign e-celebrities for helping me focus on uni!

WCS Welfare, Killing Esports, Saving Degrees!!!!!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 08:02:51
December 18 2015 08:01 GMT
#457
On December 18 2015 16:58 NyxNax wrote:
"I hope the viewer numbers go down for Dreamhack and IEM.... I wont watch any foreign only tournaments".... Good lord...

It's the only way the people who care about the level of competition over the level of drama are getting a say in all this. I'm not sitting down to watch a tournament of my average ladder game take shape. Voting with my contribution to the viewer count here. If you disagree with that, go live in North Korea. I'd rather send a clear message of disapproval and not waste my time because random internet people are afraid it kills their precious episodes of How I Met Your Mother Gone Korprulu..
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 18 2015 08:04 GMT
#458
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

He's getting money thanks to Blizzard, without Welfare money ESL isn't doing anything SC2 related and Apollo is fucked. Of course he would write something like this. No one ever publicly criticized Blizzard. Day 9 was always overwhelmingly positive about Blizzard until he stopped doing SC2 "suddenly". Same applies for others. Everyone from these people always was positive and never said anything bad about Blizzard. The only exception is TB but he doesn't give a fuck about any big name in the industry. Stop being naive
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 08:19:59
December 18 2015 08:05 GMT
#459
On December 18 2015 17:04 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

He's getting money thanks to Blizzard, without Welfare money ESL isn't doing anything SC2 related and Apollo is fucked. Of course he would write something like this. No one ever publicly criticized Blizzard. Day 9 was always overwhelmingly positive about Blizzard until he stopped doing SC2 "suddenly". Same applies for others. Everyone from these people always was positive and never said anything bad about Blizzard. The only exception is TB but he doesn't give a fuck about any big name in the industry. Stop being naive

To throw a Dutch expression into the mix which perfectly fits to this:
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

No clue whether that makes any sense to any non-Dutch-speaker ^^
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On December 18 2015 17:14 Chaggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 17:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
On December 18 2015 17:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

He's getting money thanks to Blizzard, without Welfare money ESL isn't doing anything SC2 related and Apollo is fucked. Of course he would write something like this. No one ever publicly criticized Blizzard. Day 9 was always overwhelmingly positive about Blizzard until he stopped doing SC2 "suddenly". Same applies for others. Everyone from these people always was positive and never said anything bad about Blizzard. The only exception is TB but he doesn't give a fuck about any big name in the industry. Stop being naive

To throw a Dutch expression into the mix which perfectly fits to this:
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

No clue whether that makes any sense to any non-Dutch-speaker ^^


Yeah we have that expression too

Thanks ^^
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Chaggi
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December 18 2015 08:14 GMT
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On December 18 2015 17:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 17:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still)

1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed.
2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore.
3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now.

I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right?

But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016

He's getting money thanks to Blizzard, without Welfare money ESL isn't doing anything SC2 related and Apollo is fucked. Of course he would write something like this. No one ever publicly criticized Blizzard. Day 9 was always overwhelmingly positive about Blizzard until he stopped doing SC2 "suddenly". Same applies for others. Everyone from these people always was positive and never said anything bad about Blizzard. The only exception is TB but he doesn't give a fuck about any big name in the industry. Stop being naive

To throw a Dutch expression into the mix which perfectly fits to this:
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

No clue whether that makes any sense to any non-Dutch-speaker ^^


Yeah we have that expression too
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