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On December 18 2015 15:11 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 14:48 Inflicted wrote:
PartinG seems pretty screwed at this point
Skipped SSL qualifier and now he can't play overseas or in Proleague. He only has one GSL tournament for the next 6 months... (oh there is KeSPA Cup but still) 1. PartinG is screwed and all those similar to him outside of Kespa are screwed. 2. TOP9-TOP12 Koreans are screwed, e.g. sOs, as he never won a GSL or SSL league and is great just in big international offline tournaments, which he will not be able to attend anymore. 3. All the second tier Koreans are screwed. In the past, they were beaten heavily in Proleague, but then they went to some DreamHack, won it and it gave them enough confidence to start performing in Korea as well. This is gone now. I understand, that western players are happy about it, as they can have Ronaldo's and Messi's salary while being on the level of an average Spanish league player without the necessity to play against Ronaldo and Messi. Of course, in this case, they will never ever reach the level of Ronaldo and Messi. It is more probable, they will get the idea to establish "WCS Welfare player's Unions" and will negotiate with Blizzard every year higher prize pool for WCS Welfare Circuit, or they stop playing. Because it is them, Blizzard needs. Not Messi and Ronaldo. Right? But I am angry at all the professional people in the SC2 business, who are lying to the fans and painting it nicely so that they can get their share of money from their employers. Fuck Apollo! http://apollosc2.tumblr.com/post/135405158638/my-thoughts-on-wcs-2016
I mean he's an emoloyee its his job to support it.
But i did find it funny that on reddit he was saying how it was so bad when marinelord or whoever went out in wcs they'd have to wait a whole season to get another chance. Then in another comment he'd say that Korea tournaments were too crowded and dropping the amount of them was a good thing.
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I am the only one who thinks that Blizzard boost can be dangerous at some point?
Last tournament before blizzcon, 2 players are fighting about one blizzcon spot. If that tournament is without boost, player A is already qualified before that tournament. Blizzard should be very carefully in that case.
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On December 18 2015 17:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 17:42 deacon.frost wrote:On December 18 2015 17:37 Heartland wrote:
Did I understand it correctly that there will not be any week to week tournament for foreigners like WCS has been? That's the biggest shame for me as it drastically reduces the amount of play we'll see. Which means that the air time is free for some smaller local tourney. This was the biggest thing about WCS 2013. It was alway on the air so there were no free time slots. If I've understood it correctly, there will be regional challenger tournaments to qualify for the three seasonal events
Yeah, but will those be like four days run by Basetrade TV (or similar) or will they be five weeks casted by ESL (or similar)? That is, will we have a league or will we just have something that sort of comes up now and then with a lower production value than what WCS had. Because that's my main worry, really, not having more Starcraft to watch during weekdays.
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Not happy with the changes. 2015 system was good.
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On December 18 2015 18:35 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 17:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On December 18 2015 17:42 deacon.frost wrote:On December 18 2015 17:37 Heartland wrote:
Did I understand it correctly that there will not be any week to week tournament for foreigners like WCS has been? That's the biggest shame for me as it drastically reduces the amount of play we'll see. Which means that the air time is free for some smaller local tourney. This was the biggest thing about WCS 2013. It was alway on the air so there were no free time slots. If I've understood it correctly, there will be regional challenger tournaments to qualify for the three seasonal events Yeah, but will those be like four days run by Basetrade TV (or similar) or will they be five weeks casted by ESL (or similar)? That is, will we have a league or will we just have something that sort of comes up now and then with a lower production value than what WCS had. Because that's my main worry, really, not having more Starcraft to watch during weekdays.
On December 18 2015 06:23 Heyoka wrote:The WCS Regional Challenger events will be held prior to the WCS Circuit Championships. Each of the six regions will be represented with their own Regional Challenger event and seed directly into the upcoming WCS Circuit Championship. WCS Regional Challenger (NA, EU, LATAM, CN, TW, ANZ/SEA)- $10,000 prize pool
- 16+ players
- Format will be region-specific
- Winners advance to WCS Circuit Championships
- 500 points
Sounds like a tournament to me (like what China did with the GPL this year). Obviously as mentioned it's region specific though
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As I see that lots of people here despise non-Koreans and giving an incentive for them to play, I think part of TL will turn elitist again and watch Koreans exclusively. Good old days, right? 
I think that "Global Finals" have more meaning now as a "global" event. I'd argue with the prophecy of Koreans massively retiring leaving spots to play for the 15-20 of the best players that exist now for other reasons than military service or just moving on in life, but I guess we will see. I didn't hear massive negative feedback on WCG, when it existed back in the day. Plus, KeSPA Cup continues, and who knows what other announcements from tournament organizers we will hear.
As I wrote before, some people would be satisfied with Blizzard banning people from WCS that don't hold Korean citizenship. Imagine for a second, that Korea is different from other countries, people from "the West" are possibly having life outside of the game and the support that Korean players can have right now is unimaginable in Europe or Americas. If you believe that proposed system massively hurts the quality of games we're going to have, ignore foreign scene, focus on "the best" one or move to Korea and sacrifice your youth to play there. GSL, SSL, Proleague, KeSPA cups and who knows what else will still exist. Or try playing in the "charity" WCS Circuit to raise the level of competition
The main problem this system has is the fact that it was introduced too late, I understand that it can feel like taking away the opportunities from players. I mean Koreans. I believe that is for good. And again, we haven't heard all of the announcements regarding 2016, only the very base for WCS. Who knows for sure what "server qualifiers" mean?
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On December 18 2015 12:36 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:53 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 18 2015 08:34 Nerchio wrote:
Hots being a terrible game didn't help either, these were the 2 things that got matched together. In WOL somehow we had players that could sometimes player or even beat the best koreans( Stephano/ Naniwa/ me/ Thorzain or whatever). Don't tell me about broodlord infestor. How was HotS a terrible game? edit: found your response Even if you're right about certain MUs becoming worse (ZvZ, ZvP), I don't understand why that should disproportionately affect Koreans differently from foreigners. Besides, there are no doubts that the most talented Zergs in Korea were able to win during HotS - Soulkey, soO, ByuL, Life are all indisputably respected for their skills. So regardless of the MUs being better or worse in some esoteric sense, they must have been rewarding skilled players or Soulkey/soO/ByuL/Life wouldn't have continued winning. Again, foreigners are disproportionately affected. I think what's a lot more likely is that the skill ceiling went up with HotS and went up again with LotV. I don't believe it is a coincidence that foreign Terrans enjoyed the least amount of success in HotS and will again in LotV. Ah, a patchzerg of WoL who got rightfully crushed by Mvp in IEM Cologne complains about Brood Lord-Infestor. Truly, the jokes write themselves.
Losing to the best Korean at a time after beating Violet and MC, what a terrible result indeed!
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not bad, but 8/8 sucks. 12/4 or 10/6 sounds better.
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On December 18 2015 19:17 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 12:36 EatingBomber wrote:On December 18 2015 08:53 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 18 2015 08:34 Nerchio wrote:
Hots being a terrible game didn't help either, these were the 2 things that got matched together. In WOL somehow we had players that could sometimes player or even beat the best koreans( Stephano/ Naniwa/ me/ Thorzain or whatever). Don't tell me about broodlord infestor. How was HotS a terrible game? edit: found your response Even if you're right about certain MUs becoming worse (ZvZ, ZvP), I don't understand why that should disproportionately affect Koreans differently from foreigners. Besides, there are no doubts that the most talented Zergs in Korea were able to win during HotS - Soulkey, soO, ByuL, Life are all indisputably respected for their skills. So regardless of the MUs being better or worse in some esoteric sense, they must have been rewarding skilled players or Soulkey/soO/ByuL/Life wouldn't have continued winning. Again, foreigners are disproportionately affected. I think what's a lot more likely is that the skill ceiling went up with HotS and went up again with LotV. I don't believe it is a coincidence that foreign Terrans enjoyed the least amount of success in HotS and will again in LotV. Ah, a patchzerg of WoL who got rightfully crushed by Mvp in IEM Cologne complains about Brood Lord-Infestor. Truly, the jokes write themselves. Losing to the best Korean at a time after beating Violet and MC, what a terrible result indeed!
Of course it's not a terrible result; that's why you are a patchzerg whose achievements mysteriously fell off... after late 2012.
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It's time to bring back some foreign heroes and grown esports outside korea...good job blizzard
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On December 18 2015 18:04 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 18:03 WrathSCII wrote:On December 18 2015 17:59 SC2Toastie wrote:On December 18 2015 17:56 TheOneAboveU wrote:
What a bummer... less Korea events. T_T
I really don't care about region-locked events, so mehhhhhh... Make sure not to watch and tune in, make the viewercount vote for us. I think the majority of the TL will tune in for Korean events only. But I could be wrong. TL is only a small amount of full viewrr numbers though
There are many that only read TL and do not post for whatever reason.
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So if I understand that correctly, IEMs and Dreamhacks won't feature Korea-based Koreans anymore? If so, bye guys, off to CS:GO it is. "You're a top level player? Do not attend our tournament please." You don't grow a scene by excluding the very best.
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RIP blizzcon 2016
another 8x Lilbow vs Life snorefest
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On December 18 2015 21:18 boxerfred wrote:
So if I understand that correctly, IEMs and Dreamhacks won't feature Korea-based Koreans anymore? If so, bye guys, off to CS:GO it is. "You're a top level player? Do not attend our tournament please." You don't grow a scene by excluding the very best.
No.
WCS Global Events
WCS Global Events are the only opportunity before the WCS Global Playoffs to bring together players from the WCS Korea and WCS Circuit systems to battle for points. The goal is to have the highest level of StarCraft II play open to players from both standings. For more information on the WCS Global Event requirements, check out our Requirements blog.
WCS Global Events—7500
$50,000+ prize pool
16+ Players
7,500 points
Players can earn points in the WCS Korea Standings or WCS Circuit Standings based on their eligibility for that standing.
Big tournaments will still have Koreans, but they will earn points reserved for Korea region. Basically there will be two leaderboards of players, Korean (also those who decide to live and play there) and non-Korean. If a Korean wins a tournament, it doesn't diminish the chances of a non-Korean going to Blizzcon. My guess is that at least IEMs will be of this type, since they tend to be more global (frequent visits to China, Singapore and such) than Dreamhack, but it still needs to be confirmed by them.
I wish people stopped forcing the idea of Blizzcon being an additional stop of GSL/SSL. It's really great incentive to play for a player that has no practice environment compared to Koreans and doesn't sacrifice their life in 100% to a hobby, that has no social acceptance and will lead him nowhere after the "retirement", if they decide to leave the industry. You'll still have 8 players from Korea, so if Koreans are more worthy of being called a player than non-Koreans and the "unworthy" will have no chance, there still will be live top 8 on WCS World Finals as it was this year. And it was great.
But, oh well. Bye!
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On December 18 2015 19:33 TheSayo182 wrote:
It's time to bring back some foreign heroes and grown esports outside korea...good job blizzard
What made Stephano, Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Scarlett, Snute big? That they beat Mana, Nerchio or TLO? Or that Stephano competed with top Koreans, Naniwa won titles while slicing through a korean bracket, that Snute completely rekt herO, that Scarlett beat DRG while playing protoss, that Idra fought MMA?
On December 18 2015 21:37 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 21:18 boxerfred wrote:
So if I understand that correctly, IEMs and Dreamhacks won't feature Korea-based Koreans anymore? If so, bye guys, off to CS:GO it is. "You're a top level player? Do not attend our tournament please." You don't grow a scene by excluding the very best. No. Show nested quote +WCS Global Events
WCS Global Events are the only opportunity before the WCS Global Playoffs to bring together players from the WCS Korea and WCS Circuit systems to battle for points. The goal is to have the highest level of StarCraft II play open to players from both standings. For more information on the WCS Global Event requirements, check out our Requirements blog.
WCS Global Events—7500
$50,000+ prize pool
16+ Players
7,500 points
Players can earn points in the WCS Korea Standings or WCS Circuit Standings based on their eligibility for that standing. Big tournaments will still have Koreans, but they will earn points reserved for Korea region. Basically there will be two leaderboards of players, Korean (also those who decide to live and play there) and non-Korean. If a Korean wins a tournament, it doesn't diminish the chances of a non-Korean going to Blizzcon. My guess is that at least IEMs will be of this type, since they tend to be more global (frequent visits to China, Singapore and such) than Dreamhack, but it still needs to be confirmed by them. I wish people stopped forcing the idea of Blizzcon being an additional stop of GSL/SSL. It's really great incentive to play for a player that has no practice environment compared to Koreans and doesn't sacrifice their life in 100% to a hobby, that has no social acceptance and will lead him nowhere after the "retirement", if they decide to leave the industry. You'll still have 8 players from Korea, so if Koreans are more worthy of being called a player than non-Koreans and the "unworthy" will have no chance, there still will be live top 8 on WCS World Finals as it was this year. And it was great. But, oh well. Bye!
Basically, I'll see how it plays out. If I see a IEM without koreans, I probably won't tune in. But that's just me.
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I'm sorry for being kinda passive aggressive, I'm just so tired of this elitist, negative and you could even say racist thinking. Korea Korea Korea Korea Korea. Support your local players, support creation of infrastructure, support opportunities for people to practice with Koreans - eventually there will be no need of region locking anything. Or for the sake of everyone stop watching foreigners, ignore them forever. Move to Korea or something.
I'm not aiming it at you, boxerfred. People are so negative nowadays 
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Huh, why does SSL award different points for 9-12, 13-16 when it's single-elim? Do the Ro16 losers play another match?
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Why Korea has so special position in blizzard esports? Like its silly that one country has special rules and regions in tournament when rest of the world is just "rest of the world". Korea is just a country among others, it doesnt matter if "best players are there", its just country among others. There is nothing like this in any other sports.
This nonsense needs to stop where koreans are seeeded from separate qualifiers, also the whole "foreigner" thing needs to go.
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On December 18 2015 21:52 aQuaSC wrote:I'm sorry for being kinda passive aggressive, I'm just so tired of this elitist, negative and you could even say racist thinking. Korea Korea Korea Korea Korea. Support your local players, support creation of infrastructure, support opportunities for people to practice with Koreans - eventually there will be no need of region locking anything. Or for the sake of everyone stop watching foreigners, ignore them forever. Move to Korea or something. I'm not aiming it at you, boxerfred. People are so negative nowadays
Wanting equal opportunities for all is racist, but region locking something to keep out a certain nation is PC or what? You want to support local players, talk to the teams to create practice houses that are actually used for practice and not "content creation", create strict practice times, etc. Some teams, like EG, had the opportunity to do this but they didn't. Why? You think Koreans living in team houses make zilions of dollars or something? They make almost nothing until they can reach a very high level.
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Hum, i'm looking forward to it.
I know its an easy target to criticize and i was one of the first to jump on the hate train at first but now i want to see how it develops.
Let's give it a chance and see how it goes.
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