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Blizzard Reportedly Radically Overhauling WCS - Page 7

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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
December 12 2015 00:19 GMT
#121
Okay, so Koreans training in Korea cannot come to foreign tournaments?? What a waste of good game potential.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
December 12 2015 00:19 GMT
#122
gg wp sc2. so...is there a new strategy game in planing?
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
December 12 2015 00:19 GMT
#123
On December 12 2015 09:18 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Catz says we should chill


I would like to hear CatZ give an extended response to this, I'm curious as to why he thinks this is a good idea.


He's on NDA.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
December 12 2015 00:20 GMT
#124
On December 12 2015 08:51 Elentos wrote:
Meanwhile, in GSL...

Where is Rain and PartinG??!!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
December 12 2015 00:20 GMT
#125
On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon .

I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster

I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point.

I think I can agree it prob had the best lineup, I didn't really feel like any of the series stood out (Rain v Polt, PartinG v sOs and most of the Cactus Valley games admittedly were good, but overall it was a very meh tournament)
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 00:21:53
December 12 2015 00:21 GMT
#126
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
December 12 2015 00:22 GMT
#127
I tend to trust CatZ about SC2's greater interests. Let's wait and see.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
December 12 2015 00:22 GMT
#128
On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...?

As I understand it we getting 6-7
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 12 2015 00:22 GMT
#129
On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon .

I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster

I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point.

I think the highest number of good matches was at BlizzCon 2014 but the best final was obviously sOs vs Life in 2015.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9441 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 00:25:07
December 12 2015 00:23 GMT
#130
On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:
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On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.

Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.


That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play.


You can watch that in GSL/SSL.

The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other.

Other esports either have top players from all countries (Dota, CSGO)


Dota is not comparable as the scene is much more even.
And you have tons of CS:GO tournamnets where NA scene is effectively isolated from EU scene.

Starcraft tournaments with increased price pool and no region lock would be all koreans from ro16 every time.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 12 2015 00:23 GMT
#131
On December 12 2015 09:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon .

I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster

I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point.

I think I can agree it prob had the best lineup, I didn't really feel like any of the series stood out (Rain v Polt, PartinG v sOs and most of the Cactus Valley games admittedly were good, but overall it was a very meh tournament)


mostly a terrible tournament saved by the finals. sOs vs Parting was good too.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28530 Posts
December 12 2015 00:24 GMT
#132
On December 12 2015 09:09 Doodsmack wrote:
lol @ the exaggerations in this thread. You know you'll still be watching.

My guess is Blizzard is cutting costs with running WCS Premier. I'm not sure I can blame them, from a business standpoint. People need to remember that Blizzard is basically running a charity with any support of SC2 esports (unless you argue it's for marketing purposes). They clearly do not make money from it. They have been propping up GSL from the very beginning, by the way.

Kinda. well, the rumor is that ESL wanted out for financial reasons
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
December 12 2015 00:24 GMT
#133
On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...?

As I understand it we getting 6-7

Polt, Hydra, and violet have visas, so we might only get 5 foreigners. Too many either way.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
December 12 2015 00:24 GMT
#134
On December 12 2015 09:17 Ontolog wrote:
I thought having top Korean pros play in regions outside of Korea was raising the level of play in those regions. In fact I thought Blizzard made that happen on purpose for that very reason but I guess not. And I don't understand why its a problem for 1 country to be dominant at a sport anyway. If they are the best then they should be at the top. Not really feelings this move.


I had the same thought, but personally I can only see this as a business move. Not allowing Koreans to travel to foreign tournaments is all around a bad move IMO. Unfortunately, I obviously can't read their minds. Hopefully they can give an explanation later on.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 12 2015 00:24 GMT
#135
On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...?

As I understand it we getting 6-7


Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 12 2015 00:25 GMT
#136
On December 12 2015 09:22 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon .

I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster

I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point.

I think the highest number of good matches was at BlizzCon 2014 but the best final was obviously sOs vs Life in 2015.


best story was in 2013, but it was never told. RIP duckdeok.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
December 12 2015 00:25 GMT
#137
On December 12 2015 09:24 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...?

As I understand it we getting 6-7

Polt, Hydra, and violet have visas, so we might only get 5 foreigners. Too many either way.

forgot about Hydra, but yea still too many wasted spots
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Matte3D
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden26 Posts
December 12 2015 00:25 GMT
#138
Just don't ban koreans from events like DH and IEM pls. :'(
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 00:25:47
December 12 2015 00:25 GMT
#139
On December 12 2015 09:24 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...?

As I understand it we getting 6-7


Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots.

Violet was my other, which is why I said at least 5, but probably 6, probably not 7 or 8
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
December 12 2015 00:26 GMT
#140
So is there going to be a WCS league or it is only weekend event?

For the Korean scene I feel like it is ok if Blizz give some compensation in prize pool, there is still 2 league and pro league to so there is still opportunity for them to play. The lock will of course affect the level of play at foreign event but most of these event were pretty much 2 or 3 Korean destroying every one else, only some IEM and mabye a Dreamhack late in the year had a lot of Korean attending, it still suck for them but if it allow the foreign scene to survive I guess it is worth it.

The blizzcon thing is stupid as shit, it already was probably not all the best player who were represented and now half of them will just be destroyed, if they want to have more diversity at Blizzcon they should at least have more player to give more Korean the chance to play there.

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