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Blizzard Reportedly Radically Overhauling WCS - Page 6

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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
December 12 2015 00:13 GMT
#101
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 12 2015 00:14 GMT
#102
MC retired at the right time.

I'd worry for people like Hyun and Fanta now.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 00:14:23
December 12 2015 00:14 GMT
#103
Catz says we should chill

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Psychotikah
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada101 Posts
December 12 2015 00:14 GMT
#104
Tweet from catz

Catz says not too worry for what it's worth.
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
December 12 2015 00:14 GMT
#105
I really don't like to bash Blizzard or post negatively or circle jerk #dedgaem or something, but this is probably the worst news I've read since I started watching sc2 in 2012. Without any details known, this souns like it will suck balls. Ruining IEMs (which were great before) and especially BlizzCon (which was fucking awesome :D). I'll still watch gsl, ssl and proleague, but this will seriously ruin my hype for WCS Finals, and the year-long story of WCS.
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 12 2015 00:15 GMT
#106
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon .
Hoofit
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom128 Posts
December 12 2015 00:15 GMT
#107
On December 12 2015 09:10 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:09 Doodsmack wrote:
lol @ the exaggerations in this thread. You know you'll still be watching.

I'll only watch games with players I care about though.


I think this might apply to a lot of people How they choose who to care about varies a lot though, is it the local hope or the super-skilled Korean?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
December 12 2015 00:15 GMT
#108
On December 12 2015 09:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:01 Cyanocyst wrote:
..I liked the system so much better, before WCS.

Sure maybe it was hard for outsiders looking in, to know who are the best players.

Though i feel like everyone who followed Starcraft would probably give a pretty consistent top 10 players. Just due to an intrinsic feel, for the value of placing in a tournament based on the competition present.

In 2014 HyuN and Bomber were the top 2 players in WCS rank, in 2013, sOs was ranked 12th, in 2014 Life was ranked 14th, in 2015 sOs was ranked 14th. Are you sure WCS is truly the best way to see who the best players are?

well, sOs and life didn't perform that well before WCS. Performing well the entire year doesn't mean those players are guaranteed to perform well at the global finals.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 12 2015 00:16 GMT
#109
On December 12 2015 09:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Catz says we should chill

https://twitter.com/ROOTCatZ/status/675468000279965696


Of course, but it's good for ROOT and foreigners. Hydra can still play in weekend tournaments and it'll make it easier for the rest of the ROOT boys to make better runs with less Koreans around.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 12 2015 00:16 GMT
#110
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

2015 was the best of the last three years for me. By far. Seeing 16 koreans in the Ro16 of WCS America was absurd.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Vortun
Profile Joined May 2012
42 Posts
December 12 2015 00:16 GMT
#111
Better not be true, korean tournaments broadcast at really unfortunate hours, and I'm not that interested in watching foreign sc2.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55466 Posts
December 12 2015 00:17 GMT
#112
On December 12 2015 09:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Catz says we should chill

https://twitter.com/ROOTCatZ/status/675468000279965696

So what if my idea for a good system and CatZ's aren't the same? I think we should still panic. Just to be safe.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ontolog
Profile Joined December 2015
3 Posts
December 12 2015 00:17 GMT
#113
I thought having top Korean pros play in regions outside of Korea was raising the level of play in those regions. In fact I thought Blizzard made that happen on purpose for that very reason but I guess not. And I don't understand why its a problem for 1 country to be dominant at a sport anyway. If they are the best then they should be at the top. Not really feelings this move.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9362 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 00:18:24
December 12 2015 00:17 GMT
#114
On December 12 2015 08:55 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.

Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.



Would this really improve viewership though?


No but that's not my point. My point is that Blizzard was probably facing a much worse alternative: No coverage at all from Dreamhack/ESL going into 2016. (unless they decided to give them even more money). On Remax Desrow said (according to some rumors he heard) that ESL wasn't interested in doing more WCS, and that kinda makes sense with these news.

Hence they decided to cut costs on WCS and give them to tournament organizers so they at least would continue to run events.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
December 12 2015 00:17 GMT
#115
On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon .

I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
December 12 2015 00:17 GMT
#116
On December 12 2015 09:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Catz says we should chill

https://twitter.com/ROOTCatZ/status/675468000279965696


Not knowing Catz's position on the foreign scene, that could actually be read to mean "this is bullshit, stay tuned for the real rework which is great," or "you guys don't understand why this is amazing, stay tuned for great news for foreigners!"

Some context would be very helpful. But OK, won't jump off any bridges in the meantime.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 12 2015 00:17 GMT
#117
On December 12 2015 09:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Catz says we should chill

https://twitter.com/ROOTCatZ/status/675468000279965696


I know enough about Catz's views on WCS to know that if he thinks its good, for me it's probably awful.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 12 2015 00:18 GMT
#118
On December 12 2015 09:17 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 08:55 Phredxor wrote:
On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.

Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.



Would this really improve viewership though?


No but that's not my point. My point is that Blizzard was probably facing a much worse alternative: No coverage at all from Dreamhack/ESL going into 2016. (unless they decided to give them even more money).

Hence they decided to cut costs on WCS and give them to tournament organizers so they at least would continue to run events.


Ah, I gotcha. My bad.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
December 12 2015 00:18 GMT
#119
On December 12 2015 09:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Catz says we should chill

https://twitter.com/ROOTCatZ/status/675468000279965696

I would like to hear CatZ give an extended response to this, I'm curious as to why he thinks this is a good idea.
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 12 2015 00:18 GMT
#120
On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good?

Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon .

I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster

I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point.
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