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Blizzard Reportedly Radically Overhauling WCS - Page 5

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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 12 2015 00:01 GMT
#81
On December 12 2015 08:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.

Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.


That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play.

The claim has a lot of merit. See: every other esports in existence right now.


Every other? I really don't think so
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 12 2015 00:02 GMT
#82
On December 12 2015 08:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.

Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.


That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play.

The claim has a lot of merit. See: every other esports in existence right now.

Other esports either have top players from all countries (Dota, CSGO) or are under the misguided delusion that foreigners can complete with Koreans because they so rarely play against each other (LoL). No one in the Starcraft community has any delusions that foreigners generally suck compared to Koreans so these all foreigner tournaments are going to be less hype for a lot of people.
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
December 12 2015 00:02 GMT
#83
we'll see. I honestly don't know how foreigner-only tournaments will work for SC2 in 2016. It works for other eSports, but the Korean scene is so central to Starcraft, and SC2 has grown up with it, so I think people have a different expectation.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 00:02:39
December 12 2015 00:02 GMT
#84
On December 12 2015 08:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.

Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.


That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play.

The claim has a lot of merit. See: every other esports in existence right now.

Then clearly I am in an estranged minority in an already estranged minority. Granted I find MOBAs and most FPS excessively boring. But the way I see it, SC2 is currently the most popular eSport in terms of skill needed to master the game. It therefore seems criminal to limit the rate at which that high level of skill is viewable.
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FanaticCZ
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic287 Posts
December 12 2015 00:03 GMT
#85
what a bullshit
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28476 Posts
December 12 2015 00:03 GMT
#86
Better get the proper visa DRG..

I feel we just went back in time
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 12 2015 00:04 GMT
#87
On December 12 2015 09:01 Elentos wrote:
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On December 12 2015 09:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 12 2015 08:51 Elentos wrote:
Meanwhile, in GSL...


Tfw only Dream, Sorry and Dark signed from T1. ;/

Did you double check to make sure none of the barcodes are SKT players in disguise? (also we don't have any details yet, I'd assume INno gets a direct seed)


I thought that too, but I saw Byul was in the lists. If second place doesn't get a direct seed there's a good chance nobody does.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 12 2015 00:04 GMT
#88
On December 12 2015 09:01 Charoisaur wrote:
so if koreans with a visa (polt, hydra, jaedong) are still allowed at foreign tournaments I guess the winners of those tournaments will all look very similar

I wouldn't be so sure about JaeDong...
BartCraft
Profile Joined March 2015
Netherlands45 Posts
December 12 2015 00:05 GMT
#89
I think that without WCS there are way too few tournaments for the foreing scene. Only 8 weekends, why make it region locked when there are no players left to play.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
December 12 2015 00:05 GMT
#90
On December 12 2015 09:01 Cyanocyst wrote:
..I liked the system so much better, before WCS.

Sure maybe it was hard for outsiders looking in, to know who are the best players.

Though i feel like everyone who followed Starcraft would probably give a pretty consistent top 10 players. Just due to an intrinsic feel, for the value of placing in a tournament based on the competition present.

In 2014 HyuN and Bomber were the top 2 players in WCS rank, in 2013, sOs was ranked 12th, in 2014 Life was ranked 14th, in 2015 sOs was ranked 14th. Are you sure WCS is truly the best way to see who the best players are?
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 12 2015 00:06 GMT
#91
On December 12 2015 08:44 Endymion wrote:
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On December 12 2015 08:41 stuchiu wrote:
Congrats the best foreigners from 2010 to 2015, you won foreigner SC2 since no one else going forward will get the chance to match your achievements.

you mean congrats stephano


mostly him, but the others all had good runs.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 12 2015 00:07 GMT
#92
On December 12 2015 09:04 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:01 Elentos wrote:
On December 12 2015 09:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 12 2015 08:51 Elentos wrote:
Meanwhile, in GSL...


Tfw only Dream, Sorry and Dark signed from T1. ;/

Did you double check to make sure none of the barcodes are SKT players in disguise? (also we don't have any details yet, I'd assume INno gets a direct seed)


I thought that too, but I saw Byul was in the lists. If second place doesn't get a direct seed there's a good chance nobody does.

WCS this year only had the champion get seeded back. But they're probably doing a mulligan. Still, there's probably more to the tournament we're not aware of yet. And maybe some just signed up for the chance of winning a direct seed and avoiding Code A .
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
December 12 2015 00:07 GMT
#93
On December 12 2015 09:03 Penev wrote:
Better get the proper visa DRG..

I feel we just went back in time

Another reason this is so stupid, people like DRG get fucked, because they announced this so fucking late.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 12 2015 00:09 GMT
#94
lol @ the exaggerations in this thread. You know you'll still be watching.

My guess is Blizzard is cutting costs with running WCS Premier. I'm not sure I can blame them, from a business standpoint. People need to remember that Blizzard is basically running a charity with any support of SC2 esports (unless you argue it's for marketing purposes). They clearly do not make money from it. They have been propping up GSL from the very beginning, by the way.
Hoofit
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom128 Posts
December 12 2015 00:10 GMT
#95
Pinch of salt. But this is a very, very bold move. I don't think it'd be terrible, but its one heck of a risk.
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
December 12 2015 00:10 GMT
#96
So if I understand this right, Blizzard basically banned Koreans from travelling to foreign tournaments like DreamHack? Only Koreans with Visas can particpate?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 12 2015 00:10 GMT
#97
On December 12 2015 09:09 Doodsmack wrote:
lol @ the exaggerations in this thread. You know you'll still be watching.

I'll only watch games with players I care about though.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 12 2015 00:10 GMT
#98
On December 12 2015 09:05 BartCraft wrote:
I think that without WCS there are way too few tournaments for the foreing scene. Only 8 weekends, why make it region locked when there are no players left to play.

The only good thing that could come of this is that smaller organisers get more attention for their tournaments since there is no constant WCS coverage. So maybe some of the current small guys will get to grow a little bigger.
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 00:11:37
December 12 2015 00:11 GMT
#99
The Best System IMO. Would be to establish a long term GSL styled tournament in both America and Europe that could only be participated in by players from that region.

Then, for the weekend LAN style tournaments, Allow everyone to potentially participate. And assign a WCS point value to placing in those tournaments based on the players who attend.

So The main way to qualify for blizzcon is to place well at your regions long term style tournament. The weekend lans could be used to rack up additional points.



Probably not feasible. But its optimal. Sc2 at its core is and should be survival of the fittest. While Sc2's growth will depend on better performances by forginers, it can't be so heavily tilted.

If their proposed system is implemented i'm worried it will alienate the region who cares for this game most.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
December 12 2015 00:11 GMT
#100
Are we sure this isnt the most meta April Fools joke ever?
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