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Jinsiik
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ThePacifist
Korea (South)46 Posts
Korean fans are in a panic. I personally believe that it's just a problem of SPOTV GAMES, but most of Korean fans worry that it could be some sort of downsizing of WCS. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 17 2015 17:31 ThePacifist wrote: Korean fans are in a panic. I personally believe that it's just a problem of SPOTV GAMES, but most of Korean fans worry that it could be some sort of downsizing of WCS. So literally everyone is...  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
It probably won't happen, but still... | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 17 2015 18:21 Arvendilin wrote: Well with Riot fucking OGN more than even Blizzard tried in the past, I really hope OGN picks up a season or 2 of OSL just to spite Riot and SpoTV :D It probably won't happen, but still... What is going on with Riot and OGN? And why SPOTV wants LoL now?... What am I missing? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 17 2015 18:22 WrathSCII wrote: What is going on with Riot and OGN? And why SPOTV wants LoL now?... What am I missing? OGN made LCK, the main LoL tournament in Korea. Riot, doing what they do, forced OGN to give half of their broadcasting rights of LCK to SpoTV for some reason. The tournament is now split between the two networks, it's weird. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On December 17 2015 18:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: OGN made LCK, the main LoL tournament in Korea. Riot, doing what they do, forced OGN to give half of their broadcasting rights of LCK to SpoTV for some reason. The tournament is now split between the two networks, it's weird. ... But... Why? What is the point of sharing the broadcasting rights? | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On December 17 2015 18:22 WrathSCII wrote: What is going on with Riot and OGN? And why SPOTV wants LoL now?... What am I missing? Well you remember how OGN made the Korea Champions thing on their own when Riot was still only interested in EU and NA? Well now riot got themselfs the trademark for Champions and told OGN to split broadcasts so they can only broadcast half of their games while SpoTV casts the other half, this makes it kinda hard to get sponsors and it also kinda sucks for OGN because they built that league on their own back in the day and up to now every interference of Riot has made the league worse... And SpoTV wants it because it would make a buttload of money! And Riot wants this because they want more control over the leagues, so they can use this as a bargaining chip! | ||
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Horiken
Japan68 Posts
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On December 17 2015 18:16 The_Red_Viper wrote: If SPOTV downsizes SSL and maybe even Proleague for LoL i will be really mad -.- The most interesting part of it all is here: http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/16/10326320/riot-games-now-owned-entirely-by-tencent Tencent owns some portion of blizzard or another in addition to riot games. Both competing entities, one owned by Tencent 100%, the other (I think) only partially. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 17 2015 19:22 BreAKerTV wrote: The most interesting part of it all is here: http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/16/10326320/riot-games-now-owned-entirely-by-tencent Tencent owns some portion of blizzard or another in addition to riot games. Both competing entities, one owned by Tencent 100%, the other (I think) only partially. I am not really knowledgable with these things, but i doubt this will have any real effect on our situation. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On December 17 2015 03:48 stuchiu wrote: It's one thing region locking a WCS/LCS and another thing region locking an IEM/DH/RB I see this as a (wise) financial decision... The $ blizz would have put into WCS "foreigner" is instead going into these weekend events. The scene is shrinking and this is a good way to ensure that these events continue to have SC2. If we had the choice of either having WCS or sc2 at DH/IEM it seems like an obvious choice to piggyback and support an event that gets a lot of attention. This is also a good move when considering the additional costs from WCS (specifically player accommodations and travel). Less overhead means the money going to the scene has a higher possibility to go to players. Region lock is obviously a very polarizing opinion. I've said for a while that having more "foreigner based" weekend tournaments would be good. Having a majority of the prize money from IEM/DH go into travel for Koreans just isn't good for anyone. (Even if money didn't get directly taken from the winner it still came from somewhere and meant team costs were higher etc.) This is also why I don't think the KR scene needs outside tournaments (as long as they have local stability). To me, the biggest issue is still "when do we see KR vs foreigners?" I don't think Blizzcon is the answer. At least not if it's 8 and 8!! Maybe if it's 12 and 4... (personally I'd even say 14 and 2). The other thing would be to see a new event between spring and summer (not quite half a year before blizzcon). We might even see the occasional foreigner going to Seoul. Sure, it might be daunting but look at any professional sport that's heavy in one region - they go train and compete with the best on their turf! What about viewer interest? You see the same thing all over the world in professional sports. There are people who will only watch important matches (playoffs/finals/top teams/el clasico etc). There are those who only watch when 'their team' is playing. There are also (probably the minority) that watch every match "for the science/love" of the game. Finally a majority watch for any of the right combinations. SC2 has these fans as well. How many stop watching when it's all zerg in the top 4? or just PvZ? or all terrans? No Finns/Germans/Canadians? The reality is it happens. It happens when there are no Koreans. It happens when it's all Koreans... Yes, DH might lose viewers because we won't have solar vs parting finals. We won't know how many viewers will stay interested longer because Puck, Nerchio, Firecake and Showtime are the top 4 until that happens, but I (and DH/IEM/blizzard) bet it might be higher. Finally, game level... You don't need the two best to square off against each other to provide the best match. There are people who think NCAA games are better than their NFL/NBA counterparts - and they have compelling cases! Sometimes it's more important that two competitors be close in skill. The other factor in any high level competition is that mistakes are often what keeps a game from being a ("boring") stalemate... Obviously, you need to have a certain level of competence to take advantage of your opponent's mistakes (as fun as "battle of the bronze" can be, that's not what I'm talking about). As I said earlier.. some people won't watch because it's not the best of the best. Some will watch because it's not Korean vs Korean. You never know what's going to happen and that's part of the draw. I'm waiting for more information, but I'm excited both for seeing a more focused KR scene and cheering my local favorites to possible wins! | ||
digmouse
China6326 Posts
On December 17 2015 19:22 BreAKerTV wrote: The most interesting part of it all is here: http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/16/10326320/riot-games-now-owned-entirely-by-tencent Tencent owns some portion of blizzard or another in addition to riot games. Both competing entities, one owned by Tencent 100%, the other (I think) only partially. Tencent is a investor of Activision Blizzard as a whole, most of not all of that are towards Activision Publishing, has literally 0 influence on Blizzard Entertainment. | ||
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rikapi
United States63 Posts
On December 17 2015 17:04 Swisslink wrote: Yes, I'd love something along the line of 4 regional championships: EU/NA/SEA/Non-Korean Asia. But still with the current WCS Ranking points. At the end pf the year, the best of each region gets a Wildcard to a 32-man Blizzcon finals alongside the top 28 players in the world. This makes me think they should do with SC2 what they do with HS, and split WCS into 4 regions (probably something like NA/EU/KR/SEA+CN+TW) and the top 4 players from each region go to BlizzCon... that way we get 12 foreigners vs the 4 best of the best Koreans, which seems like a good compromise point between the "more foreginers will generate more foreign interest due to nationality or rooting-for-underdog nature" camp and the "fuck foreigners, I just wanna see the best guys (which just happen to all be Korean)" camp. edit: We can also add the "ladder points" like in HS, and give a tiny bit of WCS points to all GMs playing on their main non-barcode account like once a month (with more points if you're higher up the GM food chain) - that should get a lot of ppl grinding NA for "ezpz points lol" right? >.>;; | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On December 17 2015 22:00 rikapi wrote:edit: We can also add the "ladder points" like in HS, and give a tiny bit of WCS points to all GMs playing on their main non-barcode account like once a month (with more points if you're higher up the GM food chain) - that should get a lot of ppl grinding NA for "ezpz points lol" right? >.>;; I like this idea. If we can get more Koreans to go on other ladders, it should help improve the game play of the non-Koreans. | ||
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Horiken
Japan68 Posts
On December 17 2015 22:00 rikapi wrote: This makes me think they should do with SC2 what they do with HS, and split WCS into 4 regions (probably something like NA/EU/KR/SEA+CN+TW) and the top 4 players from each region go to BlizzCon... that way we get 12 foreigners vs the 4 best of the best Koreans, which seems like a good compromise point between the "more foreginers will generate more foreign interest due to nationality or rooting-for-underdog nature" camp and the "fuck foreigners, I just wanna see the best guys (which just happen to all be Korean)" camp. edit: We can also add the "ladder points" like in HS, and give a tiny bit of WCS points to all GMs playing on their main non-barcode account like once a month (with more points if you're higher up the GM food chain) - that should get a lot of ppl grinding NA for "ezpz points lol" right? >.>;; I love this, and that is so similar to what Blizzard did in 2012. Very good for local scene, far better than very odd 8/8 distribution. | ||
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Horiken
Japan68 Posts
On December 17 2015 22:16 achan1058 wrote: I like this idea. If we can get more Koreans to go on other ladders, it should help improve the game play of the non-Koreans. I love this idea, but the biggest problem of the idea is hacker. If blizzard want to do this, they should solve hacker problem. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On December 17 2015 22:00 rikapi wrote: This makes me think they should do with SC2 what they do with HS, and split WCS into 4 regions (probably something like NA/EU/KR/SEA+CN+TW) and the top 4 players from each region go to BlizzCon... that way we get 12 foreigners vs the 4 best of the best Koreans, which seems like a good compromise point between the "more foreginers will generate more foreign interest due to nationality or rooting-for-underdog nature" camp and the "fuck foreigners, I just wanna see the best guys (which just happen to all be Korean)" camp. edit: We can also add the "ladder points" like in HS, and give a tiny bit of WCS points to all GMs playing on their main non-barcode account like once a month (with more points if you're higher up the GM food chain) - that should get a lot of ppl grinding NA for "ezpz points lol" right? >.>;; Incentivizing the ladder while dealing with the potential problem of smurf accounts would be great. For example there could be a system, where you submit your "official" account to Blizzard while you reach certain point on the ladder. I don't know what's everyone's stance on hiding build orders and stuff though. Personally I find the importance of hiding a build order a little overexaggerated. Maybe shifting the importance of tournaments to the ladder would help? Also, does anyone else wonder if the delay of releasing the WCS details has something to do with ladder revamp? It would be cool to have the ladder divided to "amateur" and "pro" or some sort, with the second part directly relating to WCS. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
why can't they do server side map info like other games. | ||
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