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On December 12 2015 09:23 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.
Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.
That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play. You can watch that in GSL/SSL. The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other.
I'll watch "second best" Koreans over foreigners every day of the week. Third best, too.
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On December 12 2015 09:24 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...? As I understand it we getting 6-7 Polt, Hydra, and violet have visas, so we might only get 5 foreigners. Too many either way.
Violet is pretty average. I think plenty of other foreigners would do better than him. But yeah, obviously it sucks 
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On December 12 2015 09:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Catz says we should chill
Yeh I expect that they will combine the ladder in some way here. Perhaps a monthly ladder tournament with top 16 in NA/EU region to replace WCS.
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On December 12 2015 09:25 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:22 Boucot wrote:On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good? Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon  . I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point. I think the highest number of good matches was at BlizzCon 2014 but the best final was obviously sOs vs Life in 2015. best story was in 2013, but it was never told. RIP duckdeok.
one game away and we were looking at a very real possibility of sOs v Duck just to fuck with all the casual fans
Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots.
what happened to SD haven't seen him in awhile?
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On December 12 2015 09:26 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:23 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.
Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.
That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play. You can watch that in GSL/SSL. The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other. I'll watch "second best" Koreans over foreigners every day of the week. Third best, too.
Good for you.
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On December 12 2015 09:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I tend to trust CatZ about SC2's greater interests. Let's wait and see.
Catz has his teams interests in mind, and changes like this would probably help a player like Hydra immensely
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On December 12 2015 09:26 Nakajin wrote:
So is there going to be a WCS league or it is only weekend event?
If everything in the article is true, WCS Premier League is dead, the only league formats surviving are the Korean ones.
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On December 12 2015 09:25 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:24 stuchiu wrote:On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...? As I understand it we getting 6-7 Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots. Violet was my other, which is why I said at least 5, but probably 6, probably not 7 or 8
The viOLet of this year was worse than a lot of foreigners though.
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On December 12 2015 09:27 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:25 stuchiu wrote:On December 12 2015 09:22 Boucot wrote:On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good? Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon . I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point. I think the highest number of good matches was at BlizzCon 2014 but the best final was obviously sOs vs Life in 2015. best story was in 2013, but it was never told. RIP duckdeok. Show nested quote + Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots. what happened to SD haven't seen him in awhile?
Left mYi and wanted to switch to heroes of the storm I think
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On December 12 2015 09:27 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:26 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 12 2015 09:23 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.
Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.
That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play. You can watch that in GSL/SSL. The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other. I'll watch "second best" Koreans over foreigners every day of the week. Third best, too. Good for you.
You make it sound like plummeting IEM/DH viewership would be exclusively the problem of Korean elitists.
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On December 12 2015 09:28 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:25 Die4Ever wrote:On December 12 2015 09:24 stuchiu wrote:On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...? As I understand it we getting 6-7 Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots. Violet was my other, which is why I said at least 5, but probably 6, probably not 7 or 8 The viOLet of this year was worse than a lot of foreigners though.
He might return to form. But you forgot about TRUE who joined psiStorm to play WCS so I'd assume they'd get him a visa.
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On December 12 2015 09:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:27 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:25 stuchiu wrote:On December 12 2015 09:22 Boucot wrote:On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good? Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon . I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point. I think the highest number of good matches was at BlizzCon 2014 but the best final was obviously sOs vs Life in 2015. best story was in 2013, but it was never told. RIP duckdeok. Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots. what happened to SD haven't seen him in awhile? Left mYi and wanted to switch to heroes of the storm I think
He's kinda in a limbo and doesn't truly know what to do with himself.
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On December 12 2015 09:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:27 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:25 stuchiu wrote:On December 12 2015 09:22 Boucot wrote:On December 12 2015 09:18 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:17 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:15 ZAiNs wrote:On December 12 2015 09:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
Hey guys, remember 2013 when WCS was good? Or 2015 which had the best WCS and the best Blizzcon . I disagree 100% although 2015 had the best finals, the rest of the tournament was rather lackluster I think it objectively had the most skillful line-up. I thought the quality of games in general were also the best, but that is beside the point. I think the highest number of good matches was at BlizzCon 2014 but the best final was obviously sOs vs Life in 2015. best story was in 2013, but it was never told. RIP duckdeok. Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots. what happened to SD haven't seen him in awhile? Left mYi and wanted to switch to heroes of the storm I think
D: thats rather unfortunate
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On December 12 2015 09:28 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:25 Die4Ever wrote:On December 12 2015 09:24 stuchiu wrote:On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...? As I understand it we getting 6-7 Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots. Violet was my other, which is why I said at least 5, but probably 6, probably not 7 or 8 The viOLet of this year was worse than a lot of foreigners though.
Yea I know, that's why I said "at least 5 foreigners", gotta count even the slim chances lol.
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On December 12 2015 09:30 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:28 Boucot wrote:On December 12 2015 09:25 Die4Ever wrote:On December 12 2015 09:24 stuchiu wrote:On December 12 2015 09:22 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 09:21 Die4Ever wrote:
This would mean we get like at least 5 foreigners at Blizzcon? I don't like it. And wait, that also means the international tournaments won't have many Koreans? What would even be the point in watching...? As I understand it we getting 6-7 Die4ever is assuming Polt/Hydra/one more (maybe Stardust or DRG?) take 3 spots. Violet was my other, which is why I said at least 5, but probably 6, probably not 7 or 8 The viOLet of this year was worse than a lot of foreigners though. Yea I know, that's why I said "at least 5 foreigners", gotta count even the slim chances lol.
regardless, it will be far too many wasted spots end of story.
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Sweden740 Posts
On December 12 2015 09:29 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:27 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 09:26 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 12 2015 09:23 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.
Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.
That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play. You can watch that in GSL/SSL. The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other. I'll watch "second best" Koreans over foreigners every day of the week. Third best, too. Good for you. You make it sound like plummeting IEM/DH viewership would be exclusively the problem of Korean elitists.
I got no statistic so I am probably wrong, but I got the impression WCS had way more viewers than GSL?
But tbh, is it really fun to watch a dreamhack with sOs or innovation going there?
All we will get to see is onesided stomps until they happen to meet each other (and kespa rarely allows more than 2-3 players going to those events)
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Thank you blizzard for reviving the dream of more foreigners going to blizzcon just to be destroyed by the kespa koreans. more games like lilbow vs Life for blizzcon!
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Can't believe this is community news. It's the same fucking rumors we had days ago jammed into an article.... What happened about waiting for Blizzard to announce how things will work?
If anybody thinks there will be GSL/SSL and then DH/IEM/RB with no koreans and that's it you really don't know Blizzard. Why can't we just wait for the official announcement. I can completely see the things said in the article being true, but I am also certain that there is a ton of stuff missing and this panic is for nothing.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On December 12 2015 09:33 Gullis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:29 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 12 2015 09:27 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 09:26 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 12 2015 09:23 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.
Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.
That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play. You can watch that in GSL/SSL. The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other. I'll watch "second best" Koreans over foreigners every day of the week. Third best, too. Good for you. You make it sound like plummeting IEM/DH viewership would be exclusively the problem of Korean elitists. I got no statistic so I am probably wrong, but I got the impression WCS had way more viewers than GSL? But tbh, is it really fun to watch a dreamhack with sOs or innovation going there? All we will get to see is onesided stomps until they happen to meet each other (and kespa rarely allows more than 2-3 players going to those events)
Because GSL was on 11am CET while WCS was on 4+pm mostly.
No wonder that the Western viewership was bigger during WCS.
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maybe, just maybe stop the outrage until the actual news comes out ?!
they might have revamped the system in a way that benefits everyone.
but ya, i can see why desperation is more fun
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