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On December 12 2015 09:33 Gullis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:29 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 12 2015 09:27 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 09:26 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 12 2015 09:23 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.
Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.
That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play. You can watch that in GSL/SSL. The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other. I'll watch "second best" Koreans over foreigners every day of the week. Third best, too. Good for you. You make it sound like plummeting IEM/DH viewership would be exclusively the problem of Korean elitists. I got no statistic so I am probably wrong, but I got the impression WCS had way more viewers than GSL? But tbh, is it really fun to watch a dreamhack with sOs or innovation going there? All we will get to see is onesided stomps until they happen to meet each other (and kespa rarely allows more than 2-3 players going to those events)
You got it all wrong, mate! $O$, inno etc are the very reason to watch!
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On December 12 2015 09:35 Musicus wrote:
Can't believe this is community news. It's the same fucking rumors we had days ago jammed into an article.... What happened about waiting for Blizzard to announce how things will work?
If anybody thinks there will be GSL/SSL and then DH/IEM/RB with no koreans and that's it you really don't know Blizzard. Why can't we just wait for the official announcement. I can completely see the things said in the article being true, but I am also certain that there is a ton of stuff missing and this panic is for nothing.
yea this thread should probably be closed lol
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On December 12 2015 09:29 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:27 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 09:26 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 12 2015 09:23 Hider wrote:On December 12 2015 08:55 Cricketer12 wrote:On December 12 2015 08:54 Hider wrote:
I am surprised how many people actually think Blizzard is doing this because they think it will improve the esport-scene. I think it's much more likely that this comes as a result of pressure from organizers. Viewer numbers aren't good and I expect that ESL/Dreamhack all were considering to not have Starcraft at their events/not run WCS.
Hence Blizzard opted to cut down on the WCS spending and pay organizers to continue to run Starcraft tournaments. And obviously if Koreans could participate in those events, it would absolutely ruin any type of hope for foreigners, hence they made a strong region lock.
That's incredibly fucking stupid though, because doing so is to claim that more people are in favor of foreigners winning Koreanless tournaments than people who want to watch the highest quality of play. You can watch that in GSL/SSL. The difference there is that you actually get to watch the top A korean players vs each other instead of the second-best koreans facing each other. I'll watch "second best" Koreans over foreigners every day of the week. Third best, too. Good for you. You make it sound like plummeting IEM/DH viewership would be exclusively the problem of Korean elitists.
What?
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On December 12 2015 09:35 xtorn wrote:
maybe, just maybe stop the outrage until the actual news comes out ?!
they might have revamped the system in a way that benefits everyone.
Far too sensible. Rabble rabble rabble!
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This is the worst.
Crushed WCS.
Weekenders with only Foreigns. (You need a Visa for WCS Weekendevents)
8 Foreigners at Blizzcon.
LotV is out and Blizzard kills Starcraft, Good Job.
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Guys chill out. The article is supervague... What does WCS circuit of DH, IEM even mean with that restriction? They are not going to fuck over those tournaments and actually ban Korean viewer magnets from it.
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Ok this is really horrible if true. I would have liked a wcs with hard region lock, but not when these are only weekend tournaments...
I would have even liked some form of "major system", similarly to what they do with hearthstone.
But this? Meh, i hope richard lewis is wrong
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On December 12 2015 09:38 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 09:35 xtorn wrote:
maybe, just maybe stop the outrage until the actual news comes out ?!
they might have revamped the system in a way that benefits everyone. Far too sensible. Rabble rabble rabble!
THEY TERK OUR SPERTS!
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On December 12 2015 09:39 Big J wrote:
Guys chill out. The article is supervague... What does WCS circuit of DH, IEM even mean with that restriction? They are not going to fuck over those tournaments and actually ban Korean viewer magnets from it.
That rumor spreaded earlier this day. It seems to have a point. And it seems to be the reason why Naruto thought HSC has WCS points and TaKe declined it. But SSL Qualifier made what Blizzard wanted, Weekenders without Koreans.
But hey, LotV is sold, why having a Esport scene? Korea gets fucked, Foreigners get fucked, everyone is fucked.
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Blizzard is basically going the Riot approach of trying to make people forget about the MASSIVE Korea vs World skill gap by making it so that they never play each other, only for them to get their asses handed to them at worlds. Also, IEM, DH, Red Bull etc. will basically just be Blizzard events hiding behind a (very) thin curtain. This will basically be the nail in foreign SC2's coffin if true. Just shows how far this game has fallen if even third party tournaments have to be propped up with Blizzard $$$. Oh well, time to adjust my sleep schedule for the only real tournaments.
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Wow this sucks so much  I feel so bad for Korean pros, This is actually going to have huge negative economic impact on a lot of the A-class Koreans, doing well in foreign tournaments was one of the only ways a lot of these guys made any money.
Not to mention that a more concrete separation between foreigners and Koreans will undoubtedly make Korean Starcraft have less foreign viewers, and I've always been scared of the possibility that korean tournament organizers would stop hiring english casters if interest was too low.
really hope they keep the old system :/
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Thought the 2015 format were good, why change it. Sucks if it's true and all respect to Take for rejecting this idea.
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How does DH and IEM expect to get viewers without many Koreans? The viewership might sink. Might.
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I hope Blizzards reads this thread and thinks (If that´s really the whole thing though, just rumors as many pointed out!): Oh shiat, noone really likes that, we gotta change this!. Then again, how many times have I hoped that and blizzard always seems to prove that they read more battle.net and proly reddit than TL... Well maybe we got it wrong, would like to hear from some foreigners about this. I got the impression that they have given up some odd 2/3 years ago. I mean you don´t really got a Jinro/IdrA/Naniwa/Stephano anymore and countless more fulltime pros atleast pretending to train, under real teams and trying to compete with the koreans. I totally understand why less and less people outside of Korea don´t wanna commit for this anymore, every other Esport, or actually doing something IRL serves you better.
Maybe it´s not possible, the whole scene last year seemed like that. DH when droping SC2 for some of there events and red bull going from big tournaments with big names to Archon mode... all these instances felt like this epic journey we have made comes to an end(no deadgeam). There is no self sustaining economy behind this. Blizzard was lifting the whole scene for far to long.
So maybe it´s the only way possible to still have tournies outside of Korea. Region locking DH and stuff then makes sense because if there is no more WCS league, how are foreigners getting any money, if every weekend tournament is won by Koreans? The pricepools for DH/Iem and stuff have been pretty small in my opinion, especially if you don´t win, so now foreigners have a better shot at this money, which is good if it´s the only money around!
Remember when foreigners where competing in Korea in BW? Me neither, was way before my time, strange to think back to IdrA and Jinro now and compare them with Elky/Grrr... Something like this will probably happen again in Starcraft 3
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On December 12 2015 09:57 nick00bot wrote:Wow this sucks so much I feel so bad for Korean pros, This is actually going to have huge negative economic impact on a lot of the A-class Koreans, doing well in foreign tournaments was one of the only ways a lot of these guys made any money. Not to mention that a more concrete separation between foreigners and Koreans will undoubtedly make Korean Starcraft have less foreign viewers, and I've always been scared of the possibility that korean tournament organizers would stop hiring english casters if interest was too low. really hope they keep the old system :/
Yes this is how Crank was sponsored by the Biscuit. Now there is less reason for a biscuit to sponsor these guys.
How is he doing? In case he's not around En Taro Biscuit
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On December 12 2015 09:58 Matte3D wrote:
Thought the 2015 format were good, why change it. Sucks if it's true and all respect to Take for rejecting this idea.
For sure. If this all turns out to be true, I'll be tuning in for as much of HSC as I can on principle.
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Seriously, I don't see any reasons why Blizzard should keep WCS alive, SC2 is done (WCS served its purpose up to LotV release), but now, the profit is quite marginal.
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let's see if that's true but i expected the 2015 system to be renewed again :/
maybe that costed too much for them
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On December 12 2015 08:36 Popkiller wrote:
"In addition, at Blizzcon, the WCS Global players and WCS Circuit players will be segregated into their own half-brackets..."
Didn't read from page 3 onwards but this has to be a joke. This has to be a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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