• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:06
CET 03:06
KST 11:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)4Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker7PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)11Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2
StarCraft 2
General
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
Modalert 200 for Focus and Alertness Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 512 Overclocked The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion StarCraft player reflex TE scores Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Sex and weight loss YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1923 users

Blizzard Reportedly Radically Overhauling WCS - Page 15

Forum Index > SC2 General
827 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 42 Next All
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 12 2015 07:51 GMT
#281
Okay, bye Dreamhack, IEM etc, gonna watch the csgo part. Or heroes. But not sc2.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
December 12 2015 07:53 GMT
#282
I'm shocked. Overhaul to WCS? They haven't been doing that every year, have they? Reducing the exposure and cost of running WCS for SC2? Who'd have thought? Not like LOTV hasn't already pulled in $60 million + or anything (going by Blizz's statement that it was 1 million sold in 24 hours at $60 per copy).

With organisers in NA and EU running fewer SC2 tournaments, unless there is some good shit in WCS (which this doesn't suggest), it's gonna be a quiet year.

Our sources also indicated that the competition run by TakeTV, the HomeStory Cup, was to be part of the WCS Circuit component as well. This reputedly didn’t come to pass after the organiser, Dennis “TaKe” Gehlen, rejected the idea that South Korean players would essentially be excluded from his event if he agreed to be part of the circuit. Moving forward, the HomeStory Cup shall no longer have WCS ranking points as part of its prize.


Blizzard was already funding tournaments that had WCS points as part of the system, correct? So Take not going with it means a lot less financial support for HSC, not to mention other smaller events that were giving out points.

I dunno. This seems pretty shitty. I'll wait til the official announcement but this isn't doing anything to reignite my passion for the game.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
December 12 2015 07:53 GMT
#283
On December 12 2015 15:14 seopthi wrote:
Just after LotV release with all the hype around it, top SC2 stream has 1800 viewers while BW has 4k. It must've been hard to screw it up this much.


Top SC2 pros don't stream. Top BW pros stream.

I can't begin to imagine how popular SC2 would have to be for Destiny's numbers to compare with Bisu's.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
December 12 2015 08:01 GMT
#284
They are just saving money, why whould you call that stupid? That's everything but not stupidity, gawd.
Less is more.
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
December 12 2015 08:06 GMT
#285
Which basically means no more CJ_herO in IEM. Good, I might as well only watch the Korean Leagues from now on. I want actually top quality games, and see excellent foreigner tht can stop Korean, not bd foreigners compete together. This is just unfair for the hardworking Korean
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
December 12 2015 08:10 GMT
#286
Besides, aren`t there any plans for foreign team league?

"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 12 2015 08:15 GMT
#287
Well that's a good way to potentially shoot down my interest
AdministratorBreak the chains
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 12 2015 08:22 GMT
#288
Well, this can't be good for the scene. Probably best to hear the news from Blizzard themselves before passing judgement.

On December 12 2015 17:15 Zealously wrote:
Well that's a good way to potentially shoot down my interest

so, what kind of bet did you lose that made you post that sig lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
December 12 2015 08:23 GMT
#289
So Blizzcon will be a 8 pplayer tournament ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
December 12 2015 08:24 GMT
#290
On December 12 2015 17:15 Zealously wrote:
Well that's a good way to potentially shoot down my interest


Yep that's exactly what I thought. What the fuck...
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
December 12 2015 08:26 GMT
#291
On December 12 2015 16:14 Togekiss wrote:
People here saying this won't hurt the foreign scene are completely delusional. Sure, I will tune into foreign streams and support a good personality, but if I want to watch good starcraft I will watch SSL, GSL & PL. I have absolutely zero motivation to watch the "WCS Circuit" tournaments such as DH and IEM etc if it is only foreign players competing. This is like me watching "B" Division European Football when I could be watching Champions League instead.

Yet at the same time, barely anyone here (Netherlands) watches foreign soccer clubs regularly (maybe for example the final match of the champions league, but not regularly), while many watch the 'inferior' Dutch clubs. And even their local club, despite it being absolute crap compared to what the national clubs show.

So while you have zero motivation to look at this, and thats fine, many others will be more interested in it than just another version of the GSL: If they want to see the GSL, they look at the GSL. Personally I do feel if this is actually true, it would be going too far. But preventing the European/American WCS from being just another Korean affair is good imo.
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3562 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 08:31:24
December 12 2015 08:30 GMT
#292
...so hyped about new season and... they come up with this? for real??? if true, I'm beyond disappointment...
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 12 2015 08:30 GMT
#293
On December 12 2015 17:22 BigFan wrote:
Well, this can't be good for the scene. Probably best to hear the news from Blizzard themselves before passing judgement.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 17:15 Zealously wrote:
Well that's a good way to potentially shoot down my interest

so, what kind of bet did you lose that made you post that sig lol.


Something praising sOs and DRG and insulting Life?

Must have lost to Cricketer at Blizzcon
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
December 12 2015 08:36 GMT
#294
A train of thought:

Low viewer numbers
because ->
Too few foreign players to identify with
because ->
Koreans being much better then foreigners
because ->
Koreans practising much more and harder
because ->
The game has such a high skill ceiling that you can never practice enough
because ->
The game is so demanding
because ->
Thats what Blizzard wants... The game is hard by design.

So blizzard wants a hard game but they want foreigners to be good at it. Does anybody else also see a problem with this?
I bet if the game was much easier to play you would see much more foreigners at the top. But would that be a good thing?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
December 12 2015 08:39 GMT
#295
back to 2009 :DDDD
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
December 12 2015 08:40 GMT
#296
WCS Circuit views are going to be pitiful if it doesn't have top tier competition. Nothing really surprises me from Blizz anymore, their mishandling of SC2 has been very consistent.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
December 12 2015 08:47 GMT
#297
Does Blizzard want to ruin the esports scene of SC2?

If Koreans are pretty much barred from playing in international tournaments I see absolutely no reason to watch those tournaments.

Do reconsider.
Flash | Mvp
Djentleman
Profile Joined October 2015
8 Posts
December 12 2015 09:01 GMT
#298
The top eight players from WCS Global and the top eight from the WCS circuit will go on to make the final sixteen that compete at the WCS Finals at Blizzard’s annual convention, Blizzcon.


Are you fucking serious?!? So we have 8 players who have a shot of winning, and 8 players beeing 3-0'd in Ro16. Man, most interesting Ro16 EVER!
-.- I can't believe Blizzard is that stupid... gz to sOs for beeing the last world champion who matters. :D
(if you don't believe it: Look at Lilbow, we send our best foreigner and he got eliminated by a Speedling all-in, a 10pool and a 6pool... A 6pool wasn't even a good build in HotS)
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
December 12 2015 09:04 GMT
#299
On December 12 2015 17:15 Zealously wrote:
Well that's a good way to potentially shoot down my interest


Hey, it's not like you're the one who's gonna have to write about them

WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
Traz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands23 Posts
December 12 2015 09:16 GMT
#300
As a viewer I am not only interested in the part between glhf and gg.
With the exception of a few, I have found the majority of Korean players to be colorless personalities.
So when it comes to that, I would love to see these changes happen. I have no idea what more foreigners towards the last rounds of tournaments would do to the viewership of those tournaments. My gut feeling tells me the majority of viewers rather sees foreigners play towards the end of a tournament instead of a near exclusive Korean player pool from the Ro16 and onwards. More viewers makes sponsorships more interesting, which bring more money into the SC2 ecosystem.
Having more prize money available to foreigners in general could lower the threshold to sustain themselfs to stay in Korea for longer periods of time, maybe even making it into one of the big tournaments. Having an equal share of foreigners and Koreans in the top 16 players of the world is unlikely to ever happen, but this approach might enable a few to get closer to the top.
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 42 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
HomeStory Cup 28 - Group A
CranKy Ducklings130
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 212
Vindicta 30
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1350
NaDa 38
Dota 2
monkeys_forever578
LuMiX0
League of Legends
C9.Mang0326
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv2989
taco 884
fl0m875
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox470
Mew2King96
Other Games
summit1g6624
Day[9].tv986
shahzam419
JimRising 400
Maynarde118
ViBE51
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1642
BasetradeTV41
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 87
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4144
• Stunt253
Other Games
• Day9tv986
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
7h 54m
KCM Race Survival
7h 54m
LiuLi Cup
8h 54m
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
21h 54m
Online Event
1d 7h
LiuLi Cup
1d 8h
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
Big Brain Bouts
1d 14h
Serral vs TBD
RSL Revival
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
OSC
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-10
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.