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Noocta
France12578 Posts
That it's probably something there because of what their law department told tell. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 12 2015 12:08 Yorkie wrote: The main reason I (and pretty much everyone else) was in favor of region locking was that I thought if some Koreans made the effort and got visas they would live and practice in NA/EU and raise the level of practice in those regions, thus improving the region as a whole. Now even if a Korean player manages to get a visa (no small feat) they are not incentivized in any way to live or practice outside of Korea. They can simply practice as they always have then enter into IEM/DH/RB/whatever else is gonna give WCS points and stomp all the foreigners anyway. not even the most disappointing part though. Granting 8 free seeds to foreign players is laughable. The tournament will lose a ton of prestige and credibility regardless of its prize pool. For once the lame o16 production will match the level of the event. I can't wait for the seeding to come out with Koreans killing each other off so a white guy can make it far in the tournament for maximum "hype and entertainment value." Korea is now reduced to one 16 man and one 32 man tournament outside of HSC and Blizzcon, where they have realistically lost 6 or 7 seeds they would have earned in previous systems. Expect a lot of retirements. W/e Catz said maybe all is not lost but then again I never agreed with all his points about region lock anyways. Might just be biased because he heads a foreign team. Side note, no mention of Kespa Cup. Will that award WCS points? There probably will not be a Kespa Cup anymore. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 12 2015 12:10 Noocta wrote: That it's probably something there because of what their law department told tell. That's what I think at least. They would just have regionalized the rules if it was really about that, why being sneaky about it. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
Locking Koreans out of Red Bull, IEM, and Dreamhack, if that's what they're saying (and it sure sounds like it is), that is absolutely BRUTAL. | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
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HugoBallzak
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sharkie
Austria18508 Posts
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p68
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On December 12 2015 08:14 toinewx wrote: Look at Fan Clubs,  IdrA Topic is by far the largest, where topics like  INnoVation and Life remain confidential.Most average people don't care about skill or whatever, they only care when they see their flag displayed on the screen, they somehow Start to feel powerful and maybe have an erection this is as dumb as Olympic games where countries get reward for the strengh of individuals  Yep. I've also never seen a Korean get close to matching the popularity that people like Destiny and Stephano had while streaming, with the possible exception of Polt. That's what I don't get about people here claiming this will hurt the foreigner scene. Most foreigners want to see more foreigners play, period. We already have plenty of high-tier, premier Korea SC2 to enjoy. I think most people posting in this thread are mostly the exception, not the norm. Most people want somebody they can identify with. Other sports have lower leagues for less skilled players, where they can compete, hone their skills, and hopefully work their way up. It also gives them a chance at victory in a league that matches their skill. In SC2, Koreans can just show up and dominate any tournament. The Korean war machine is intense and respectable, but it just smothers everybody else, IMHO. They're just so far ahead of everyone else that almost seems like other players are getting thrown to the sharks if Koreans show up. Anecdote time: I mentioned Nation Wars on Battlenet earlier. People were curious, but then asked: .."is Korea playing?" Yes. "Who are their players?" Innovation, Parting, etc. "Eh, fuck that". | ||
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
Then they decided there would be no region locking and the Korean B team literally killed the American scene. Then they decided to region lock, but only after the foreign scene had been suffocated... And now they want to lock Koreans out of foreign tournaments? Ridiculous. There was a period of time in 2011 when the following happened: Huk won MLG Orlando and Idra came in fourth both defeating multiple Koreans, when Idra won IEM Guangzhou taking out Revival and Puma, and Stephano defeated a slew of Koreans at IGN ProLeague Season 3 and the Electronic Sports World Cup 2011. That was the most exciting time in E-Sports for me. Keeping Koreans out of foreign tournaments wouldn't have let us experience that time. Blizzard's inability to improve on a proven product, whether it be BW, Diablo 2 or WCS Season 1 is disturbing. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 12 2015 10:31 Die4Ever wrote: cause Lilbow vs Life was sooooo good lol The good news is they would get to play all the games on the blizzcon main stage because the Ro16 will just be 8 20 min 3-0s. no more schedule issues like this year | ||
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egernya
Canada352 Posts
On December 12 2015 14:06 Shellshock wrote: The good news is they would get to play all the games on the blizzcon main stage because the Ro16 will just be 8 20 min 3-0s. no more schedule issues like this year What if a half of the ro16 are Korean versus Korean or non-Korean versus non-Korean? | ||
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ZerglingSoup
United States346 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
TotalBiscuit discussing the matter at hand, with his own infos. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 12 2015 14:15 egernya wrote: What if a half of the ro16 are Korean versus Korean or non-Korean versus non-Korean? damn you're right. it's probably going to be seeded like this too. back to the drawing board | ||
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ClaudeSc2
United States73 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On December 12 2015 12:17 ZenithM wrote: That's what I think at least. They would just have regionalized the rules if it was really about that, why being sneaky about it. The Visa bit strikes me as something the Legal department has been getting on the eSports team about. Given the NA/EU Visa "requirement" talk, it really does sound like something that came about because other eSport scenes are getting big. Once that happens, it's a little hard to dodge a bunch of issues that have actually existed around the Prize Pools. At the same time, if it is partially a legal issue, it'd be nice if they actually said that. At least so they can displace some blame for how they'll probably screw it up.  Also, 10 & 6 or 12 & 4 for Blizzcon spots. Would make a lot more sense. | ||
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seopthi
392 Posts
On December 12 2015 11:56 seopthi wrote: So positive discrimination of putting 8 players into Blizzcon based on their origin rather than merit? Just disgusting, I think that especially for Starcraft which is so very skill based. It skill can appear differently i.e poker, where the skill is little hidden and it is more luck based, so someone with a significantly lower skill can still fit (i.e businessmen/celebrities). Imagine doing this in chess. As I think about it, it'd be even worse since at Blizzcon, it still will be 16 Koreans but half of them will be the ones who moved and gotten visa | ||
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