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Blizzard Reportedly Radically Overhauling WCS - Page 14

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thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 05:53:36
December 12 2015 05:51 GMT
#261
On December 12 2015 13:58 Dumbledore wrote:
So...Chinese players, etc, aren't allowed to play in any tournys blizzcon related?


Without IEM X - Shenzhen, this year, in Mainland China, there is no premier tournaments.

In fact, there are only two well-known Mainland Chinese players who I know in foreign countries with a work (study?) or P1 athletic visa.
x5.(Wiki)Pigeon and PSISTORM Gaming.(Wiki)CNProtoss
I love SC2
kagamin
Profile Joined September 2010
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 06:04:06
December 12 2015 05:52 GMT
#262
Well, guess I won't be watching any IEM, Dreamhack, or Red Bull events next year.

Our sources also indicated that the competition run by TakeTV, the HomeStory Cup, was to be part of the WCS Circuit component as well. This reputedly didn’t come to pass after the organiser, Dennis “TaKe” Gehlen, rejected the idea that South Korean players would essentially be excluded from his event if he agreed to be part of the circuit. Moving forward, the HomeStory Cup shall no longer have WCS ranking points as part of its prize.

Good man TaKe.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
December 12 2015 06:07 GMT
#263
nice change. i hope they thought this through.

there's two lines of thinking; one where you're not going to watch anything but the best possible starcraft, and the other where you feel most connected to players you like--regardless of if they're necessarily the cream of the crop.

in the latter, people are going to discredit the championship wins at first. "you had an easy path".
in the former, they are going to lose interest because in fact, all of these tournaments are at KR times. luckily, we have fulltime english commentators for the scene over there.

if you recall, the earliest sc2 tournaments happened to be mostly foreigner-based. MLG's etc. those were exciting even in the case of there being one player named ActionJesus who only had 1 strategy involving 6-pool. eventually, the players moved into korea to want to participate in the best of the best.
later into the life cycle of the game, foreigner players stopped doing this completely.

it's not that they're contented with the international events, or the ones closer to home. it's a factor of how they can get the practice in the first place. if the stakes are high, and the possibility is there, that's where players will put in 120% and get hungry again--possibly even realizing they have an edge in the overall international scene, and moving into korean starcraft territory again.

this is basically what you guys asked, in having less events each year. you may have gotten used to it by now, but it doens't mean you can't adapt back to how it used to be. as far as i'm concerned, change is good.
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seopthi
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
390 Posts
December 12 2015 06:14 GMT
#264
Just after LotV release with all the hype around it, top SC2 stream has 1800 viewers while BW has 4k. It must've been hard to screw it up this much.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12061 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 06:27:48
December 12 2015 06:19 GMT
#265
It doesn't seem that hard to imagine with Koreans though... Do a system in which koreans can compete in the weekend events, but either don't earn wcs points or earn way less than foreigners. That way you keep the korean presence that we want to see, and you still have foreigners getting wcs points even without the main wcs tournament

edit: anyway TB appears to say this is bullshit so we should wait
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
December 12 2015 06:37 GMT
#266
TB is saying that its not true that WCS won't continue, but branding the Korea tournaments as WCS Global and the NA/EU tournaments as the WCS Circuit and then having a WCS finals at Blizzcon is technically a way for WCS to continue, while still making this article true.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
December 12 2015 06:39 GMT
#267
On December 12 2015 14:52 kagamin wrote:
Well, guess I won't be watching any IEM, Dreamhack, or Red Bull events next year.

Show nested quote +
Our sources also indicated that the competition run by TakeTV, the HomeStory Cup, was to be part of the WCS Circuit component as well. This reputedly didn’t come to pass after the organiser, Dennis “TaKe” Gehlen, rejected the idea that South Korean players would essentially be excluded from his event if he agreed to be part of the circuit. Moving forward, the HomeStory Cup shall no longer have WCS ranking points as part of its prize.

Good man TaKe.

Hey guys and welcome to koreans outside of korea, because im a badass that enjoys good games
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12061 Posts
December 12 2015 06:47 GMT
#268
On December 12 2015 15:37 Popkiller wrote:
TB is saying that its not true that WCS won't continue, but branding the Korea tournaments as WCS Global and the NA/EU tournaments as the WCS Circuit and then having a WCS finals at Blizzcon is technically a way for WCS to continue, while still making this article true.


It's not his style to speak against a notion if he doesn't believe the notion is false. Especially "technically".
And given how he's always been against region lock and for more presence of koreans (as his ideas to improve ladder demonstrate), I'm inclined to think he wouldn't react this way to the new system as it is presented here. Don't you agree?
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
December 12 2015 07:01 GMT
#269
So no WCS NA/EU (only DHs and the like) as we remember it this year?
If true i'm actually amazed how much time did it take blizzard to acknowledge the inevitable. Organizing a huge and expensive 3-season event for 50k people is beyond any sense.
Less is more.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
December 12 2015 07:07 GMT
#270
I have absolutely no problem with Koreans being unable to fly over and take WCS Europe/NA. But effectively banning them from all international competition is a ridiculously dumb move. Dreamhack, IEM and the like live off the clash of Koreans and the rest of the world. That´s an essential part of the appeal, to see where each scene stands, see the heroes of each scene battle it out... I don´t even...
Togekiss
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada154 Posts
December 12 2015 07:14 GMT
#271
People here saying this won't hurt the foreign scene are completely delusional. Sure, I will tune into foreign streams and support a good personality, but if I want to watch good starcraft I will watch SSL, GSL & PL. I have absolutely zero motivation to watch the "WCS Circuit" tournaments such as DH and IEM etc if it is only foreign players competing. This is like me watching "B" Division European Football when I could be watching Champions League instead.

If things go forward this way it will give me even less motivation to support the scene outside of Korea, not to mention the overall skill gap between foreigners and Koreans will likely continue to grow without the necessary competition of Koreans at "Foreign" events.

The sad thing is that I can't see these proposed changes helping SC2 at all. They will additionally hurt the Korean scene by providing players less opportunity to play unless they are good enough to make consistent runs in GSL/SSL or be top four on their team to even be fielded in PL.

I'm crossing my fingers and praying these changes will not be as they are currently stated in the OP, because if they are in fact set in stone, it's yet another move by Blizzard to segregate and divide the community, not strengthen it by bringing it together.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
December 12 2015 07:17 GMT
#272
Why are they doing this? To make it easier for foreigners to do better in half the tournaments? Lowering the bar isn't the way to make tournaments great...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6327 Posts
December 12 2015 07:22 GMT
#273
Bullshit if true and could potentially be the end of a proper sc2 competitive scene.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 12 2015 07:25 GMT
#274
Holy shit Batman,

What kind of shitty news to wake up on?

Like for real? This is even beyond garbage. I have no idea what to call this...
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
December 12 2015 07:30 GMT
#275
Interesting developments. Waiting for some official news here...
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 12 2015 07:33 GMT
#276
not sure what makes me feel worse, this awful news, or the fact that i gave breitbart +1 view
can i get my estro logo back pls
stevorino
Profile Joined April 2011
957 Posts
December 12 2015 07:39 GMT
#277
rip WCS
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 12 2015 07:41 GMT
#278
this is a joke, right?
I mean, Blizzard can't be that fucking stupid.
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
December 12 2015 07:47 GMT
#279
So the rumors are slowly confirming, I am just worried that last place challenger was $2000 and paid travel and now we don't know what is going to happen
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
December 12 2015 07:48 GMT
#280
On December 12 2015 16:41 Noonius wrote:
this is a joke, right?
I mean, Blizzard can't be that fucking stupid.


There are two things infinite: The universe and human stupidity, and Im not sure about the first one (Albert Einstein).
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
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