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Blizzard Reportedly Radically Overhauling WCS - Page 12

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jacky9185
Profile Joined June 2012
Taiwan27 Posts
December 12 2015 02:18 GMT
#221
I want to watch (P)herO takes fourth IEM Champion.
Taiwanese StarCraft 2 fan.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 12 2015 02:23 GMT
#222
Let's wait until we have official words from Blizzard to panic.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 12 2015 02:34 GMT
#223


I didn't see this before but huk tweeted it around the same time this thread was made
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frozzz
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia118 Posts
December 12 2015 02:37 GMT
#224
can't believe they didnt want to keep old wcs format for atleast 1 year of lotv
STBomber .:. Bunny
nick00bot
Profile Joined November 2010
326 Posts
December 12 2015 02:37 GMT
#225
On December 12 2015 09:59 masterrn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 09:57 nick00bot wrote:
Wow this sucks so much I feel so bad for Korean pros, This is actually going to have huge negative economic impact on a lot of the A-class Koreans, doing well in foreign tournaments was one of the only ways a lot of these guys made any money.

Not to mention that a more concrete separation between foreigners and Koreans will undoubtedly make Korean Starcraft have less foreign viewers, and I've always been scared of the possibility that korean tournament organizers would stop hiring english casters if interest was too low.

really hope they keep the old system :/



Yes this is how Crank was sponsored by the Biscuit. Now there is less reason for a biscuit to sponsor these guys.

How is he doing? In case he's not around En Taro Biscuit


he's still fine! well, alive, not sure about how well he is tho
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HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
December 12 2015 02:40 GMT
#226
Foreign starcraft 2 players have been given more than enough chances to succeed. lilbow's latest stunt should have been the nail in the coffin. I will not be watching any wcs circuit event if the best players are being shut out. There is nothing entertaining about second-rate starcraft competition.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 02:44:19
December 12 2015 02:44 GMT
#227
On the flip side of things, unless they don't expand opportunities in korea, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of players retire.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
December 12 2015 02:45 GMT
#228
Starcraft 2 was better before wcs existed. Blizzard simply does not know what they are doing when it comes to esports.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 12 2015 02:46 GMT
#229
If they hold offline regional final qualifiers, similar to the group stage for 2013/14 WCS or like what Valve does for CS:GO's Majors, before the tournaments it wouldn't be THAT bad. Especially if Blizzard paid for flights and hotels. Still not preferable to the current system, but not as bad as it seems at first glance.
Kofuku
Profile Joined January 2014
31 Posts
December 12 2015 02:52 GMT
#230
On December 12 2015 08:05 Ansibled wrote:
Blizzard Reportedly Radically Overhauling World Championship Series of ‘StarCraft 2′
Show nested quote +
... Players will only be allowed to compete in the WCS Circuit component if they have a work or P1 athletic visa that is valid in Europe or North America. A tourist visa will not be sufficient to compete. The top eight players from WCS Global and the top eight from the WCS circuit will go on to make the final sixteen that compete at the WCS Finals at Blizzard’s annual convention, Blizzcon.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/11/blizzard-reportedly-radically-overhauling-world-championship-series-of-starcraft-2/



For what it's worth, it's not clear from the way it's phrased whether non-visa-holding Koreans would be outright banned from competing in this tournaments, or if they just wouldn't get WCS Global/WCS Circuit points for winning (and not be allowed to join WCS Circuit overall). If that were the case, I imagine a lot of Korean players would at least consider going abroad for chance at easy money, even without the extra prize of WCS points. It's the same as having people who weren't realistically in the running for Blizzcon attend IEMs or DreamHacks in the past, which happened often. Especially later in the year, players who are mathematically guaranteed to qualify or are already out of the running would probably attend in strong numbers.

But I guess that is a far-fetched interpretation, at least because it would be too complicated and pretty farcical to find a way to distribute the WCS points to the top non-Koreans if Korean players ended up winning the top four spots or something like that.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 12 2015 02:52 GMT
#231
Can org like DH simply opt out of WCS system and invite as many Koreans as they want? Just wondering
ThePacifist
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (South)46 Posts
December 12 2015 02:53 GMT
#232
I think If they limit Koreans in IEM, DH or HSC, Lots of Korean players could consider their retirement.
A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemy.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 12 2015 02:55 GMT
#233
On December 12 2015 11:52 Arceus wrote:
Can org like DH simply opt out of WCS system and invite as many Koreans as they want? Just wondering

I think so. That's what HSC did apparently.
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
December 12 2015 02:56 GMT
#234
Lol, so much salt...... I disagree with pretty much everyone here I guess. imo events like Dreamhac, iem, redbull were usually super boring with the same Koreans winning every time. We never really got a good story line and the games were still lower quality than Proleague, Gsl, etc. I am very excited to see some real competition between foreign players. Nation Wars is an example of a super hype tournament because it actually showcases interesting matches.
seopthi
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
393 Posts
December 12 2015 02:56 GMT
#235
So positive discrimination of putting 8 players into Blizzcon based on their origin rather than merit?

Just disgusting, I think that especially for Starcraft which is so very skill based. It skill can appear differently i.e poker, where the skill is little hidden and it is more luck based, so someone with a significantly lower skill can still fit (i.e businessmen/celebrities). Imagine doing this in chess.
Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-12 03:02:30
December 12 2015 03:01 GMT
#236
On December 12 2015 08:17 Boucot wrote:
That would suck. The 2015 format was good I feel.


Ya I thought the 2015 was great. It was a really exciting year on both fronts (Korea and everywhere else). It wouldn't be so bad if there were more exciting foreigners to cheer for but I'm not sure if I could list enough for even an interesting top 8. Maybe that's the goal here, to give incentive for more foreigners to step up to the plate? Then a switch back to the 2015 format in 2017? I really don't know what to think/feel.
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cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
December 12 2015 03:02 GMT
#237
Foreigner tournaments would suddenly become a huge meh
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 12 2015 03:03 GMT
#238
There is probably no malicious intent from Blizzard for the visa thing.
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
December 12 2015 03:04 GMT
#239
On December 12 2015 12:03 ZenithM wrote:
There is probably no malicious intent from Blizzard for the visa thing.


What is this supposed to mean?
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 12 2015 03:08 GMT
#240
The main reason I (and pretty much everyone else) was in favor of region locking was that I thought if some Koreans made the effort and got visas they would live and practice in NA/EU and raise the level of practice in those regions, thus improving the region as a whole. Now even if a Korean player manages to get a visa (no small feat) they are not incentivized in any way to live or practice outside of Korea. They can simply practice as they always have then enter into IEM/DH/RB/whatever else is gonna give WCS points and stomp all the foreigners anyway.

not even the most disappointing part though. Granting 8 free seeds to foreign players is laughable. The tournament will lose a ton of prestige and credibility regardless of its prize pool. For once the lame o16 production will match the level of the event. I can't wait for the seeding to come out with Koreans killing each other off so a white guy can make it far in the tournament for maximum "hype and entertainment value."

Korea is now reduced to one 16 man and one 32 man tournament outside of HSC and Blizzcon, where they have realistically lost 6 or 7 seeds they would have earned in previous systems. Expect a lot of retirements.

W/e Catz said maybe all is not lost but then again I never agreed with all his points about region lock anyways. Might just be biased because he heads a foreign team.

Side note, no mention of Kespa Cup. Will that award WCS points?
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