EPTOn November 12 2015 09:12 Cricketer12 wrote:
no way will they add a fourth race, that would take years of balancing...
no way will they add a fourth race, that would take years of balancing...
They did it with WC3 :D
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
They did it with WC3 :D | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
It had a very good balance until 1.21, since they failed hard every time (we have 1.26 now) | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
On November 11 2015 17:42 schmutttt wrote: OK, so yes it was awful. Lets try and interpret the ending: - Raynor commits suicide - Kerrigan is actually somehow in human form (The Xel'Naga can take various forms, Duran being an example) and Raynor goes off with her for his happy ending What do we think? I think you're right. I think Kerrigan died killing Amon, sacrificing her life to atone for her sins. Raynor being down and finally seeing Kerrigan again means he is joining her in the afterlife, i.e. he killed himself. This interpretation makes most sense to me. | ||
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Incrediablo
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jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
Raynor and Kerrigan got together after Amon died; Kerrigan can take a human form and, shit, can probably just simultaneously exist in the void as a Xel'naga and in the real world as a human. I think Raynor was just thinking back on the struggle and felt sad about the people he's lost. When Tychus says, "Hell, it's about time," it followed Mengsk talking about how war was coming; I.E., it was a sign of gleeful anticipation. When Raynor says, "Hell, it's about time," it's more of a breath of relief that the war was over. I think the ending was just poorly directed. I don't think Raynor committing suicide was ever the intention. After all, this is the same ending that fails to tell you WHAT HAPPENS TO ITS OWN MAIN CHARACTER (ARTANIS). | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On November 16 2015 03:37 ejozl wrote: Why did she wait 2 years to come say hi to Jim? She was off doing things... and stuff. | ||
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ETisME
12621 Posts
On November 19 2015 11:09 wongfeihung wrote: She was off doing things... and stuff. I won't be surprised if we get dlc missions | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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teodoreh
Greece10 Posts
On November 14 2015 02:24 FeyFey wrote: And I am really not sure, but I can't imagine many things that are darker then the Sc2 story. I mean Zeratul who had to witness the downfall of his beloved leader and then ending her life with his own hands. Then he goes on a quest to somehow redeem himself. And what happens. An imprisoned entity contacts him, lying to him, leading him on a false trail speaking about the destruction of everything. At the same time Kerrigan finds out about this Prophecy and goes on her frenzy (wonder who set her off about this prophecy) . All of this just helps Duran revive his Master. Which is exactly what the Xel Naga wants, he doesn't care about the sector he wants to start the cycle again. And for that he uses Zeratul, not interfering with the plans of Duran and Amon, but subtly placing his pieces on the board, so that Amon might be stopped but only after everything went to shit. Making sure they will come to him so he can convince them to start the Xel Naga cycle again and revive his race by doing this. So yeah I am really glad Zeratul couldn't see the end ... that would have shattered his soul 10 fold. Really enjoyed the Story, pretty awesome for a rts. Oh for the Raynor thing, he is a trusty guy. So if Xel Naga Kerrigan looks back and tells him he has to survive, then he sure as hell will do so. Great post! It's sad that there's a huge twist (Tassadar is a fake image) and a second bigger twist (The remaining Xel'Naga were no better than Amon and wanted to destroy the world on an ever-ending build-test-destroy circle). All those HUGE story twists are only mentioned on a couple of lines, none character expresses any emotions on the betrayal and only Kerrigan says a brief "Oh ok, but now *I* am in charge and will stop the circle". This is not very serious scenario development. As for Raynor, it's a strange thing. Yes he's tough and yes he endured all these years under worst circumstances. *BUT* let's not forget that all those years he had a reason: He wanted to avenge both Mengs and Queen of Blades. Suddenly, Mengs is dead, peace breaks out, no need for fighters like Raynor anymore, Horner lives his guy love with Valerian, his shipmates left, his alien friends from Felix to Zeratul dead and he is eternally trapped on the Kerrigan friendzone. Let's assume Blizzard wanted to kill him. Would they present a suicide on a RTS game? Nope. And why it would take 2 whole years for Kerrigan to find him again? I guess Blizzard didn't wanted to kill Raynor nor allow him to find true hapiness on a quite cheesy ending. So they created the final scene and let everyone think whatever he wanted (like Birdman's ending  ). So to sum up, SC2 didn't copied the StarWars ending (where all great Jedi defy death on a hologram form) and moved more on a matrix-trilogy / Prometheus script. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On November 12 2015 04:05 Hider wrote: Also a bit surprised noone else has mentioned this, but aren't the graphics pretty outdated? I mean I don't care that much about the graphics while playing an RTS, but for cutscenes I expect higher quality. The engine is a decade old and was never trying to be cutting edge so it really shows ----- Artanis got his ending in the protoss campaign. The three missions in the seperate campaign were summing up the rest of the Starcraft story! | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
I also thought that perhaps to truly end the cycle she had to, or chose to on principle, rid the universe of Xel'Naga. So she takes human form and expels her Xel'Naga energies into the void or something like that. | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
(I am not joking, this is kind of how I fantasized the conclusion of Starcraft II when I was just a bot some 10 or 15 years ago). Instead we got all of these silly missions like fighting the Queen of Blades at the end of WoL like it was some "mystical boss fight." that I would have expected from, say, World of Warcraft, and then some where we play as Kerrigan at the end of LoTV. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Cptn wet pants
Belgium47 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On December 10 2015 14:56 BreAKerTV wrote: Tbh with you guys I remember being ten or 12, finishing all the campaigns to SC vanilla and brood war, and then thinking to myself - with the tone of game that Blizzard made Starcraft out to be in that era, that maybe Jim would've tried a straight-shot at Char, and the final mission of LoTV would involve Jim driving a vulture with a nuke strapped on to it as close to the queen of blades as possible before nuking both himself and her. (I am not joking, this is kind of how I fantasized the conclusion of Starcraft II when I was just a bot some 10 or 15 years ago). Instead we got all of these silly missions like fighting the Queen of Blades at the end of WoL like it was some "mystical boss fight." that I would have expected from, say, World of Warcraft, and then some where we play as Kerrigan at the end of LoTV. When I was a kid, I was actually imagining a last stand mission where Raynor is defending against Kerrigan and once all his defenses are broken Kerrigan asks hims: "Why keep fighting? What do you even have left to fight for?" And Jim responds "Friends" and then he and his crew gets warped out by artanis as the golden armada warps in and incinerates the planet. | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
On December 11 2015 01:02 Thieving Magpie wrote: When I was a kid, I was actually imagining a last stand mission where Raynor is defending against Kerrigan and once all his defenses are broken Kerrigan asks hims: "Why keep fighting? What do you even have left to fight for?" And Jim responds "Friends" and then he and his crew gets warped out by artanis as the golden armada warps in and incinerates the planet. You could have been a blizzard story writer. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2269 Posts
On December 11 2015 02:30 cheekymonkey wrote: You could have been a blizzard story writer. Right now it sounds like extreme insult. | ||
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Nazara
United Kingdom235 Posts
On December 10 2015 18:48 Cptn wet pants wrote: That genuinely made me laugh. Good job sir, but yeah, I kinda wish this was the truth. Turns out Raynor was just in rehab and the entire story was him being delusional while cutting clean. When he says "Hell It's about time", it means he is getting dismissed from rehab and is finally sober. At least thats how I understood the entire story (kind of like the Suckerpunch movie). Or, the whole story is a vision that Infested Kerrigan inflicted on some poor Protoss/Terran, so he chases non-existent prophecy for some yet unknown to us reason... and we start again, sci-fi this time, no high fantasy. Zerg are Orcs - once controlled by the evil deity, with no free will, but are good at heart Overmind is under evil influence and creates Kerrigan to free Zerg - Lich King is a prisoner and creates Arthas to be his general, who later becomes the Lich King himself Kerrigan becomes Zerg once again to kill Mengsk - Arthas seeks Frostmourne to kill Mal'Ganis New Queen of Blades is not evil anymore - Thrall is not an evil warchief of previously evil Orcs Zeratul is a vagabond prophet trying to unite Terran, Zerg and Protoss - Medivh is a vagabond prophet trying to unite Human, Orc and Night Elves. Amon is returning - Archimonde is returning Tychus, former prisoner, an ally, turns out to be the enemy/ally (complicated) - Illidian, former prisoner, an ally, turns out to be the enemy/ally (complicated) Terran, formerly evil Zerg and spiritual/religious Protoss unite to fight ultimate evil - Humans, formerly evil Orcs and spiritual/religious Night Elves unite to fight ultimate evil Protoss sacrifice the Khala to combat evil - Night Elves sacrifice their immortality to combat evil Anyone wants to add to the list? | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
On December 19 2015 06:03 Nazara wrote: That genuinely made me laugh. Good job sir, but yeah, I kinda wish this was the truth. Or, the whole story is a vision that Infested Kerrigan inflicted on some poor Protoss/Terran, so he chases non-existent prophecy for some yet unknown to us reason... and we start again, sci-fi this time, no high fantasy. Zerg are Orcs - once controlled by the evil deity, with no free will, but are good at heart Overmind is under evil influence and creates Kerrigan to free Zerg - Lich King is a prisoner and creates Arthas to be his general, who later becomes the Lich King himself Kerrigan becomes Zerg once again to kill Mengsk - Arthas seeks Frostmourne to kill Mal'Ganis New Queen of Blades is not evil anymore - Thrall is not an evil warchief of previously evil Orcs Zeratul is a vagabond prophet trying to unite Terran, Zerg and Protoss - Medivh is a vagabond prophet trying to unite Human, Orc and Night Elves. Amon is returning - Archimonde is returning Tychus, former prisoner, an ally, turns out to be the enemy/ally (complicated) - Illidian, former prisoner, an ally, turns out to be the enemy/ally (complicated) Terran, formerly evil Zerg and spiritual/religious Protoss unite to fight ultimate evil - Humans, formerly evil Orcs and spiritual/religious Night Elves unite to fight ultimate evil Protoss sacrifice the Khala to combat evil - Night Elves sacrifice their immortality to combat evil Anyone wants to add to the list? Some of those are not really that similar. First off, Zergs are nothing like orcs. More like animal, they are not good nor evil "at heart". They just simply follow command and if not, they just fight amongst themselves. Much more like the undead, if you ask me. The Khala of the Protoss is their link to Amon, which he used to take control of them. Some believe it to be a blessing, but in reality it is a curse. This is nothing like sacrifice of the night elves. A more similar parallell is the demon blood of Mannaroth creating a link between him and the orcs. Then the other orcs have to fight the crazed orcs and at last free Grommash from the curse. Similar to how protoss fighting crazed protoss, and zeratul severing the cords of Artanis. The link between Tychus and Illidan is very far fetched. Practically the only similarity is that they were both imprisoned. Kerrigan and Mengsk were initially on the same side, and Mengsk betrayed her. After she turned zerg she seeked revenge and finally took it. Arthas and Mal'ganis were enemies, and after he turned "undead" he took his revenge, though just because the lich king said so because he had reasons for it. Some similarities, but not really. It seems to me that you are seeing similarities where there are none just to validate your opinion on the unoriginality of the story. In my opnion the only annoying similarity between the stories between the warcraft universe and the sc universe is that the different races always have to ally themselves against a common enemy in the end, initiated by a prophet. Other than that the stories are pretty much different from each other. Some similarities of course but no copypaste. | ||
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